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thank you! I will give them a shot
Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.
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You just have to be strategic with your regimen, but what is your hair condition currently? Any images?
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@JaneyElizabeth
Hi Janey I would like your help if possible.
I read in some of your posts that maintaining an adult woman's estrogen level would prevent gynecomastia. Would we keep our hormonal levels in the female follicular phase 19.5-144.2 pg / ml?
What would be a maintenance dose of these levels? Thank you !
Hi Janey I would like your help if possible.
I read in some of your posts that maintaining an adult woman's estrogen level would prevent gynecomastia. Would we keep our hormonal levels in the female follicular phase 19.5-144.2 pg / ml?
What would be a maintenance dose of these levels? Thank you !
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@JaneyElizabeth Thank you my friend, I read your blog I saw your story, a great story, you went through a lot, your words carry your knowledge.
Women reach a peak of up to 400pg before ovulation, but for a short period of time.
But I understood what you meant, we need to leave our hormone levels equivalent to that of an adult woman from 6 to 12 months.
On AA, do you think the MPA would be better than the CPA for a cis man?
I start to wonder if estradiol E2 would not be better alone, I read several cases of TRANS patients not being able to leave testosterone at low levels even with CPA, I am afraid of the FEEDback that this can cause in the receptors and in the axis itself, would MPA be safer? I don't care to feminize, I would just find GYNO bad, I didn't have gyno yet with CPA, I used hormones when I was 18 years old (I'm 27 now)(propionate test , stanazolol , nandrolene and too many others for a maybe 2 years , a considerable amount of hormones, I even developed a little gyno at the time but it stopped and my chest never came back but never evolved, whoever looks does not realize that I have gyno but I know I have since I was young, but very little, I read that you said that you may have duct obstruction I don't know if I would fit in that, maybe, I didn't know it existed, thanks for the knowledge.
Thank you for your attention and affection with this topic
Women reach a peak of up to 400pg before ovulation, but for a short period of time.
But I understood what you meant, we need to leave our hormone levels equivalent to that of an adult woman from 6 to 12 months.
On AA, do you think the MPA would be better than the CPA for a cis man?
I start to wonder if estradiol E2 would not be better alone, I read several cases of TRANS patients not being able to leave testosterone at low levels even with CPA, I am afraid of the FEEDback that this can cause in the receptors and in the axis itself, would MPA be safer? I don't care to feminize, I would just find GYNO bad, I didn't have gyno yet with CPA, I used hormones when I was 18 years old (I'm 27 now)(propionate test , stanazolol , nandrolene and too many others for a maybe 2 years , a considerable amount of hormones, I even developed a little gyno at the time but it stopped and my chest never came back but never evolved, whoever looks does not realize that I have gyno but I know I have since I was young, but very little, I read that you said that you may have duct obstruction I don't know if I would fit in that, maybe, I didn't know it existed, thanks for the knowledge.
Thank you for your attention and affection with this topic
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Thanks @JaneyElizabeth , I don't know what to say, your posts are loaded with emotion and knowledge, you express yourself very well,
Thank you for sharing your empirical experiences with AA.
I will read about some cycles of SERMS to be able to reconcile with CPA and estrogen without harming the effects of estrogens due to the fact that SERMS inhibits its effect. until you get satisfactory edible results and then think about maintenance.
My whole therapeutic regimen is:
I'm using 12.5mg CPA day on/ day off
5mg oral minoxidil (I was using topical and oral, I increased the dose of the oral and removed the topic) (topic ends with the texture of my hair)
1 mg finasteride.
2.75 mg oestrogel topic per day.
I will slowly increase the dose, I have been on this therapeutic regimen for about 35 days.
I saw some studies that 10mg of CPA already considerably drops T, I tried to start with the lowest possible dose of CPA since its half-life is 30 hours.
I'm going to study a little more about it, I'm going to read a little bit about MPA and compare it with CPA, funny that CPA has many effects that help hair regrowth that we might not even imagine, like the reduction of blood cortisol levels, I saw your photos, your The results are incredible! and I find it even more impressive now, because you said that you started HRT only at the age of 49, but you have rejuvenated a lot.
Thanks for explaining me about your dosages and letting me know that AA leaves a false impression of an increase in E for the body, perhaps using AA and a small dose of oral E2 may be able to maintain an adult female level. But I agree that the use of AA makes everything very crazy, maybe a larger dose of E2 is safer maybe consider it for maintenance but @bridgeburn and you prove to me that feminization is inevitable if you want regrowth , but that's what I want.,
Thanks like you said it is difficult to find that kind of knowledge.
You said you like marijuana, we're the same, just living different lives, thanks for sharing
ps: I also use medical marijuana for 4 years
Thank you for sharing your empirical experiences with AA.
I will read about some cycles of SERMS to be able to reconcile with CPA and estrogen without harming the effects of estrogens due to the fact that SERMS inhibits its effect. until you get satisfactory edible results and then think about maintenance.
My whole therapeutic regimen is:
I'm using 12.5mg CPA day on/ day off
5mg oral minoxidil (I was using topical and oral, I increased the dose of the oral and removed the topic) (topic ends with the texture of my hair)
1 mg finasteride.
2.75 mg oestrogel topic per day.
I will slowly increase the dose, I have been on this therapeutic regimen for about 35 days.
I saw some studies that 10mg of CPA already considerably drops T, I tried to start with the lowest possible dose of CPA since its half-life is 30 hours.
I'm going to study a little more about it, I'm going to read a little bit about MPA and compare it with CPA, funny that CPA has many effects that help hair regrowth that we might not even imagine, like the reduction of blood cortisol levels, I saw your photos, your The results are incredible! and I find it even more impressive now, because you said that you started HRT only at the age of 49, but you have rejuvenated a lot.
Thanks for explaining me about your dosages and letting me know that AA leaves a false impression of an increase in E for the body, perhaps using AA and a small dose of oral E2 may be able to maintain an adult female level. But I agree that the use of AA makes everything very crazy, maybe a larger dose of E2 is safer maybe consider it for maintenance but @bridgeburn and you prove to me that feminization is inevitable if you want regrowth , but that's what I want.,
Thanks like you said it is difficult to find that kind of knowledge.
You said you like marijuana, we're the same, just living different lives, thanks for sharing
ps: I also use medical marijuana for 4 years
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I have heard of a couple of guys using topical liposomal bi-estro without sides like gyno and low libido. The nearest thing to a cure is liposomal Duta so it would make sense that estrogen that stayed in the scalp would cause fewer side effects. I would like to give it a go but as I get gyno & brain fog from low dose finasteride it's probably to higher a risk.
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I’ve heard duta doesn’t have to be liposomal for it work well topically. It’s just that you have to be careful not to use it too frequently or it’ll build up.
I’ve seen good results from bi-estro too. I think estrogen is underutilized in a lot of regimens. What it does is two fold in conjunction with other treatments: 1) It’s a growth agonist, especially when you also microneedle, 2) it downregulates ARs, increasing the effectiveness of AR blockers like Keto cream and RU so you don’t have to gradually increase dosage.
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Gyno isn't an issue for me since I'm transitioning, but I'm of the opinion that breast reduction is a hell of a lot cheaper than a hair transplant. I guess there will be some scarring, but the same goes for a transplant.
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Actually it's a lot more expensive than I thought, although it depends where you live. I guess they're about the same cost, but I'd still prefer the hormonal route for results .
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In my country gyno surgery is about 1400$ without the mandatory blood tests and consultation
Edit: my currency is sh*t now so i guess it's about 2000$
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Oh that's not bad at all. I looked up some average prices and was finding $7000 USD+
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Some beast reduction looks passable, others you can tell something is off. Considering breast growth on hrt for most cases is secondary to cis females, the results could be better.
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yeah it's good if you don't live and work here
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I'm going to experiment with an RU + bi-estro combo.
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Yeah I was also thinking of cycling it 2 weeks on with keto cream followed by 2 weeks with just keto just to see if I can avoid the gyno.
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10 months maintenance on Dutasteride 0.5mg temples have degraded a little since but the rest seems to be doing fine.
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I dont know if this is the right place to ask, but if someone already has a hyperandrogenism from finasteride (like not responding well and already developed slight gyno). Would taking something like topical biestro (estrodiol and estriol) still not yield any result?
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Noah, If you dont mind me asking, what was your regimen? How long were you on it and what was your baseline in terms of hair loss?