Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[exwhyyou]

Yes, sebum can contain androgens but it is such a minute amount and it's unknown how much the scalp reabsorbs.

this means sebum causes hair loss btw^ (balding people are androgen allergic)

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

this means sebum causes hair loss btw^ (balding people are androgen allergic)

You lack a concept of correlation and causation.

 

[Dav1234]

Sebum doesn't cause hair loss. It's not an effect either. There's a guy on here who says it does, I forget his name maybe it's Armando. But it's a bunk theory.

Yes, sebum can contain androgens but it is such a minute amount and it's unknown how much the scalp reabsorbs. So long as you are washing your hair you shouldn't experience any increased problems.

Sebum can be a result of androgenic signaling, so although it can be related to hair loss it's not actually directly related. It can be just a separate symptom of androgenic signaling. However, this is not always the case. The hormones can only pull the trigger if the genes are present. For example, someone can take a boat load of steroids and experience zero hair loss. The same individual may also have dry skin. At the same time, a man can be balding but have dry skin. Another can have a full head of hair and yet have skin full of sebum. It's dependent on the combination of hormones and genes. Just because you have hair loss doesn't mean you will necessarily have oily skin, and vice versa.

Armando is a fool, trying to be a revolutionary re-inventor of the wheel like Stockton Rush. The proof is not in the pudding. If sebum caused hair loss, then accutane and other drugs that stop sebum production would cure hair loss, but it's interesting that accutane can actually in fact cause hair loss. It's a baseless theory. Yes, sebum is a sign of androgenic signaling, though. Yet, everyone's threshold is different.

So why on my second week of accutane my hair has looked the best it’s looked in months? And this is only on 20mg daily and ik for a fact it’s the only thing that helps because every hair that falls out has a sebum bulb on the end of the hair.

 

[losingbattle88]

So why on my second week of accutane my hair has looked the best it’s looked in months? And this is only on 20mg daily and ik for a fact it’s the only thing that helps because every hair that falls out has a sebum bulb on the end of the hair.

Less sebum= more volume. Its a cosmetic effect lol.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

So why on my second week of accutane my hair has looked the best it’s looked in months? And this is only on 20mg daily and ik for a fact it’s the only thing that helps because every hair that falls out has a sebum bulb on the end of the hair.

It’s just surface level appearance. Drier hair is more poofy and voluminous. Your hair was probably just being weighed down by sebum. Physics. Doesn’t actually affect the health of the hair. Accutane has a very commonly reported side effect of hair loss.

Hair bulbs do not contain sebum. The sebaceous gland is attached to hair follicles, though.

Again, if sebum was the cause there would be massive reports of accutane or even an AA like bicalutamide being touted as “the cure”. But it’s just not the case.

 

[sg2000]

It’s just surface level appearance. Drier hair is more poofy and voluminous. Your hair was probably just being weighed down by sebum. Physics. Doesn’t actually affect the health of the hair. Accutane has a very commonly reported side effect of hair loss.

Hair bulbs do not contain sebum. The sebaceous gland is attached to hair follicles, though.

Again, if sebum was the cause there would be massive reports of accutane or even an AA like bicalutamide being touted as “the cure”. But it’s just not the case.

do you think that in order to keep hair most important is to have t and dht low instead of high e levels?

Ive talker to anxiousandy and he took cupro for 5 years without problems hope im honna be lucky like him

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

do you think that in order to keep hair most important is to have t and dht low instead of high e levels?

Ive talker to anxiousandy and he took cupro for 5 years without problems hope im honna be lucky like him

Both contribute. There’s definitely individual variation. Just like you have androgen receptors you have estrogen receptors, which the expression depends on genetics. That’s why some people respond very well to androgen deprivation treatments like CPA. Yet others do not always respond well to it. Same thing can be said for estrogens, however, estrogen in itself does combat androgens too. So in a sense of course estrogen is most likely to cause an improvement because it has a multi factorial effect. Whereas CPA is only addressing androgens. CPA can be detrimental for some people because reducing testosterone also reduces estrogen. It really does just depend on the person.

 

[sg2000]

Both contribute. There’s definitely individual variation. Just like you have androgen receptors you have estrogen receptors, which the expression depends on genetics. That’s why some people respond very well to androgen deprivation treatments like CPA. Yet others do not always respond well to it. Same thing can be said for estrogens, however, estrogen in itself does combat androgens too. So in a sense of course estrogen is most likely to cause an improvement because it has a multi factorial effect. Whereas CPA is only addressing androgens. CPA can be detrimental for some people because reducing testosterone also reduces estrogen. It really does just depend on the person.

but in that case i think that without estrogen and low androgens stimulation and hair growth with needling and minoxidil would be amazing since androgens to not cause damage anymore

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

but in that case i think that without estrogen and low androgens stimulation and hair growth with needling and minoxidil would be amazing since androgens to not cause damage anymore

It might work for someone's hair, like Andy and some others, however when both testosterone and estrogen are depleted, you will feel like crap.

 

[Dav1234]

It’s just surface level appearance. Drier hair is more poofy and voluminous. Your hair was probably just being weighed down by sebum. Physics. Doesn’t actually affect the health of the hair. Accutane has a very commonly reported side effect of hair loss.

Hair bulbs do not contain sebum. The sebaceous gland is attached to hair follicles, though.

Again, if sebum was the cause there would be massive reports of accutane or even an AA like bicalutamide being touted as “the cure”. But it’s just not the case.

You’re an idiot dht and sebum are 100% correlated that’s why accutane even inhibits dht. So if dht and sebum are correlated 100% overproduction of sebum can lead to hairloss. This isn’t the case for everyone but definitely possible.

 

[Dav1234]

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

You’re an idiot dht and sebum are 100% correlated that’s why accutane even inhibits dht. So if dht and sebum are correlated 100% overproduction of sebum can lead to hairloss. This isn’t the case for everyone but definitely possible.

You clearly have no scientific experience or education whatsoever. This isn’t even about correlation. This is about causation and effect. That’s what we’ve been discussing this whole time. You are a myopic imbecile out to prove some bunk theory. The proof is in the pudding that’s why you continue to bald you don’t understand anything about hair loss or science at all for that matter, you’re probably an out of shape nerd

 

[Dav1234]

You clearly have no scientific experience or education whatsoever. This isn’t even about correlation. This is about causation and effect. That’s what we’ve been discussing this whole time. You are a myopic imbecile out to prove some bunk theory. The proof is in the pudding that’s why you continue to bald you don’t understand anything about hair loss or science at all for that matter, you’re probably an out of shape nerd

so the people on this forum that took accutane and stopped their hairloss and then shedded once getting on dutasteride and couldn’t stop hairloss doesn’t correlate? And then woman on Reddit that solved PCOS which is elevated androgens solved hairloss with accutane. Accutane is a strong *** drug that can reduce dht. And so far I’ve taken estrogen, finasteride, and bica and accutane is the only drug I’ve seen reduced hairloss only two weeks in on 20mg.

 

[sg2000]

so the people on this forum that took accutane and stopped their hairloss and then shedded once getting on dutasteride and couldn’t stop hairloss doesn’t correlate? And then woman on Reddit that solved PCOS which is elevated androgens solved hairloss with accutane. Accutane is a strong *** drug that can reduce dht. And so far I’ve taken estrogen, finasteride, and bica and accutane is the only drug I’ve seen reduced hairloss only two weeks in on 20mg.

bro accutane can cause temporary hair loss.If youre concerned about sebum just get your T in female range levels and youll notice a reduction after 3-4 months or add bicalutamide

 

[Dav1234]

You clearly have no scientific experience or education whatsoever. This isn’t even about correlation. This is about causation and effect. That’s what we’ve been discussing this whole time. You are a myopic imbecile out to prove some bunk theory. The proof is in the pudding that’s why you continue to bald you don’t understand anything about hair loss or science at all for that matter, you’re probably an out of shape nerd

And really every hairloss treatment is a theory because there is no cure. Finasteride is supposed to help but makes hair worse in some people including me. So now it’s just a game of putting sh*t in your mouth or injecting sh*t and hoping it gets better.

 

[Dav1234]

bro accutane can cause temporary hair loss.If youre concerned about sebum just get your T in female range levels and youll notice a reduction after 3-4 months or add bicalutamide

I’m different I tried estrogen for 2 months and it didn’t do sh*t even at high doses. Bica does do anythint for hair I’ve yet to see anyone recover hairloss from bica.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

The same person who says accutane is the cure says estrogen doesn't work lmao

 

[sg2000]

just wait

 

[Dav1234]

The same person who says accutane is the cure says estrogen doesn't work lmao

I never said it was the cure but I had levels of 350 on estrogen with t at 31 and nothing worked same with the Brazilian guy on here who took it for 8 months and his hair was still oily as hell. Everyone’s hairloss is different there’s no true cures so you just have to f*** around with how your body responds to each till you find one that helps slow down enough to get hair transplants over the years.

 

[BRezende]

bro accutane can cause temporary hair loss.If youre concerned about sebum just get your T in female range levels and youll notice a reduction after 3-4 months or add bicalutamide

Doesn’t work