Effects of occasional aggressive scalp massage

[1982man]

Hello Forum,

Long time no see here. It’s been a while since I posted on the forum but just wanted to check in to ask popular opinion on potential side effects of aggressive scalp massage on those of us who have male pattern balding (and are on treatments). I’m just wondering if we should avoid having barbers or a masseuse give aggressive massage attention to the scalp because it seems like that’s going to cause some follicles to shed during the process(even women who have no hairless genetics will obviously shed some follicles).
I occasionally have this done and am wondering if I should stop worrying about it. Perhaps the increased circulation from the massage could even help stimulate some hair follicles to regenerate a little thicker..or at least not thinner?

Thanks!

Brad

 

[losingbattle88]

Hello Forum,

Long time no see here. It’s been a while since I posted on the forum but just wanted to check in to ask popular opinion on potential side effects of aggressive scalp massage on those of us who have male pattern balding (and are on treatments). I’m just wondering if we should avoid having barbers or a masseuse give aggressive massage attention to the scalp because it seems like that’s going to cause some follicles to shed during the process(even women who have no hairless genetics will obviously shed some follicles).
I occasionally have this done and am wondering if I should stop worrying about it. Perhaps the increased circulation from the massage could even help stimulate some hair follicles to regenerate a little thicker..or at least not thinner?

Thanks!

Brad

I shall give you a good dick massage instead so you forget about your hair for just a moment.

 

[Jakejr]

Massage may loosen some hair strands but they would have fallen out anyways..
Massage is good practice .. but not the ultimate answer

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

Waste of time

 

[1982man]

Waste of time

Massage may loosen some hair strands but they would have fallen out anyways..
Massage is good practice .. but not the ultimate answer

Makes sense.

 

[1982man]

I shall give you a good dick massage instead so you forget about your hair for just a moment.

I shall give you a good dick massage instead so you forget about your hair for just a moment.

When you make a comment like that, I seriously question your sexuality

 

[losingbattle88]

When you make a comment like that, I seriously question your sexuality

I love men. Come to papa.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

Hello Forum,

Long time no see here. It’s been a while since I posted on the forum but just wanted to check in to ask popular opinion on potential side effects of aggressive scalp massage on those of us who have male pattern balding (and are on treatments). I’m just wondering if we should avoid having barbers or a masseuse give aggressive massage attention to the scalp because it seems like that’s going to cause some follicles to shed during the process(even women who have no hairless genetics will obviously shed some follicles).
I occasionally have this done and am wondering if I should stop worrying about it. Perhaps the increased circulation from the massage could even help stimulate some hair follicles to regenerate a little thicker..or at least not thinner?

Thanks!

Brad

I think aggressive scalp massages will probably do more harm than good as you're more likely to tear hairs out. Regular massaging I think can't hurt but I'm not convinced as the evidence just isn't there.  Maybe it helps a bit but its just not enough to overcome the suffocating effects of androgens.

 

[losingbattle88]

I think aggressive scalp massages will probably do more harm than good as you're more likely to tear hairs out. Regular massaging I think can't hurt but I'm not convinced as the evidence just isn't there.  Maybe it helps a bit but its just not enough to overcome the suffocating effects of androgens.

Cardio is best for circulation better than a scalp massage. 100% it makes your heart pump faster so blood will circulate faster around your whole body and scalp and feed your hair. But you need oral finasteride and min or else it wont help.

 

[Mr. Slap Head]

I think aggressive scalp massages will probably do more harm than good as you're more likely to tear hairs out. Regular massaging I think can't hurt but I'm not convinced as the evidence just isn't there.  Maybe it helps a bit but its just not enough to overcome the suffocating effects of androgens.

I'd generally agree. It depends on the person, too. For those who have bare spots in the scalp, it may not hurt to be more aggressive. Aggressive massage / needling can break up fibrotic tissues and allow for hair to regrow. But in someone with mild hairloss, or with areas of diffuse thinning where there is still some healthy hair, it may be safer to be gentle with massage and use shorter needles, if any. Bare spots have much more fibrotic tissue.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

I'd generally agree. It depends on the person, too. For those who have bare spots in the scalp, it may not hurt to be more aggressive. Aggressive massage / needling can break up fibrotic tissues and allow for hair to regrow. But in someone with mild hairloss, or with areas of diffuse thinning where there is still some healthy hair, it may be safer to be gentle with massage and use shorter needles, if any. Bare spots have much more fibrotic tissue.

In completely bald spots it makes sense to go hard. It really pisses me off how most mainstream Doctors and hair loss influencers are turning against microneedling. Probably because it doesnt make them any money! I've seen with my own eyes plenty of people who exclusively microneedle and got regrowth! There was even a kid on here quite a few years back who had aggressive loss and managed to regain a cosmetic amount of hair just microneedling and massaging, he documented his entire journey and provided pics. I forgot his name but you've been around long enough to know who I'm talking about.

 

[Ĺawton]

In completely bald spots it makes sense to go hard. It really pisses me off how most mainstream Doctors and hair loss influencers are turning against microneedling. Probably because it doesnt make them any money! I've seen with my own eyes plenty of people who exclusively microneedle and got regrowth! There was even a kid on here quite a few years back who had aggressive loss and managed to regain a cosmetic amount of hair just microneedling and massaging, he documented his entire journey and provided pics. I forgot his name but you've been around long enough to know who I'm talking about.

Yep I have seen some great responders to dermarolling and massages that didnt even do anything else hardly - especially with vertex balding. No finasteride or minoxidil. You also have that group recently showing in mice and in human hair lab tests that irritation of the scalp signals release of fatty acids that stimulate the hair follicle stem cells to get things growing.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

Yep I have seen some great responders to dermarolling and massages that didnt even do anything else hardly - especially with vertex balding. No finasteride or minoxidil. You also have that group recently showing in mice and in human hair lab tests that irritation of the scalp signals release of fatty acids that stimulate the hair follicle stem cells to get things growing.

I dont think studies on mice mean anything when talking about human Androgenetic Alopecia. You could rub cow sh*t on a bald mouse and it will regrow hair. Although I have seen exclusively microneedling/massaging regrow hair here on the forums and a couple of people on YouTube. It's not the norm but it's possible.

 

[Ĺawton]

I dont think studies on mice mean anything when talking about human Androgenetic Alopecia. You could rub cow sh*t on a bald mouse and it will regrow hair. Although I have seen exclusively microneedling/massaging regrow hair here on the forums and a couple of people on YouTube. It's not the norm but it's possible.

Well I am starting a test on this fatty acid stuff right now so we will see. The one researcher in one of the articles seems pretty confident 4 months of doing it would improve things a lot but they havent done a clinical study yet and just see it does the same thing to human hair in the lab. I am a big believer that if things are fouled up enough with fibrosis and calcification etc none of this stuff will do much either. I have finally removed most of that crap so it should be a decent test whether its good at reviving dormant follicles or not.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

Well I am starting a test on this fatty acid stuff right now so we will see. The one researcher in one of the articles seems pretty confident 4 months of doing it would improve things a lot but they havent done a clinical study yet and just see it does the same thing to human hair in the lab. I am a big believer that if things are fouled up enough with fibrosis and calcification etc none of this stuff will do much either. I have finally removed most of that crap so it should be a decent test whether its good at reviving dormant follicles or not.

I'm not sure how I feel about the "calcification" argument. We've seen many times here and on reddit mostly bald or fully bald men regrow almost entire heads of hair using hormones and minoxidil. My old friend Bridgeburn is one example that comes to mind. I am very interested in your test so please keep us updated and try post to r/tressless too!
They banned me years ago XD

 

[Ĺawton]

I'm not sure how I feel about the "calcification" argument. We've seen many times here and on reddit mostly bald or fully bald men regrow almost entire heads of hair using hormones and minoxidil. My old friend Bridgeburn is one example that comes to mind. I am very interested in your test so please keep us updated and try post to r/tressless too!
They banned me years ago XD

My observations are finasteride and minoxidil doesnt do much but freeze or just slight regrowth in people that clearly have a 2nd head of that stuff on their scalp. Same with never recalling any dermaroller super responders with a 2nd head formed. Transplants bypass the issue for years by moving stuff there that isnt fouled up and the blood supply just makes a new connection to those follicles.

I will definitely post about what happens with this fatty acid treatment.

 

[DemodexMitesExterminator]

I'm not sure how I feel about the "calcification" argument. We've seen many times here and on reddit mostly bald or fully bald men regrow almost entire heads of hair using hormones and minoxidil. My old friend Bridgeburn is one example that comes to mind. I am very interested in your test so please keep us updated and try post to r/tressless too!
They banned me years ago XD

I also got banned from tressles lol.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

I also got banned from tressles lol.

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[DemodexMitesExterminator]

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[AnxiousAndy]

Im strictly a PC gamer. With rgb lights inside the case, back of my monitor and around the desk, even got hexagons on the wall and 2 galaxy projectors. I love to pimp up my gaming area. I will never stop gaming. Dont matter how old I get.

I play everything! Except Nintenscam, I pirate those you should 100% try out P.T it was made by Kojima before his fallout with Sony, very well made and very eerie!