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Discussion in 'Dealing with Side Effects' started by ajbrah, Oct 12, 2015.

  1. g.i joey

    g.i joey Senior Member

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    A doctor telling me it is an effective route to take is enough to have me sold and try it. Guess what, it was effective. Dude you're so butt hurt and I jut can't seem to wrap my head around why you are?

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    Because the hike in estrogen is so little it can not cause someone to grow huge ones. Don't need a medical agree it's just kind of common sense really.
     
  2. Yoshi3Mario

    Yoshi3Mario Established Member

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    What hike in estrogen? Finasteride increases testosterone by 15 percent and has no antiandrogenic effect. All hormone fluctuations remain with in normal ranges... Women have way way more estrogen than men. Even though men may have a 10% increase in estrogen on finasteride they still shouldn't be growing moobs. Some women can barely grow boobs.
     
  3. Dench57

    Dench57 Senior Member My Regimen

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    Inhibition of DHT by Finasteride means more testosterone is converted into estradiol and androstenediol. Which means increased risk of gyno.
     
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    ^This. Excess free testosterone is converted to estradiol via the aromatase enzyme. I've known of a few guys on bodybuilding forum who took tamoxifen or anastrozole, both aromatase inhibitors, because they feared gynaecomastia as a side effect of the finasteride they were taking.
     
  5. g.i joey

    g.i joey Senior Member

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    You ask questions like this and then tell me "there's no visible signs of gyno".... no I didn't squish my chest together.. my nipples were puffy as hell when I had my gyno.
     
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    Yoshi3Mario Established Member

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  7. g.i joey

    g.i joey Senior Member

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    Dht is blocked. Therefor it is easier for testosterone to aromatise and convert to estrogen, due to the increase of test that isn't being turned into dht anymore. Thats like finasteride 101 man lol.
     
  8. ajbrah

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    Day 8 on letro: Lump is definitely flatter but no real improvement over the last few days. Currently taking 5mg/day and I also have a cold, so I'm not sure which is causing me to feel like crap but I certainly feel like total crap. I was heavily smoking/drinking/eating terribly all week also which didn't help (fall break).
    Starting a serious diet and exercise regimen starting today to see if it will change anything. Then I will start tamoxifen next Friday~.

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    Day 9 on letro: Lump is definitely smaller! The main lump on my left nipple is no longer sore when I rub it and is definitely more flush with my chest muscle. Since my gyno was mild, I'm not taking after pictures yet, but here are some before pictures (you can't even see the much larger lump in my left nipple but it's there):

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    You do not understand gynecomastia. I would explain, but you negged me and you seem to be a little sourpuss.
     
  9. Yoshi3Mario

    Yoshi3Mario Established Member

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    Read my above link. That's finasteride 101. Even if estrogen increases by 15 percent for a man (which it doesn't) it won't cause them to grow boobs!

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    I did the math so you can easily understand my message. Mens estrogen levels range from 10 to 50 average being 30. If you increases 30 by 15 percent you have 34.5. Big f-ing deal. Mean while the middle of a pre menopausal woman's is approximately 250.

    But yeah. finasteride gives you boobs. (Maybe some). But some guys normal lifestyle, genetics, and other causes also give them boobs. Maybe you had boobs growing in the first place and then you started taking finasteride then it just pushed it over the edge.
     
  10. WhitePolarBear

    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    Yeah you know, I've actually had real gyno and got it removed through surgery, but I don't understand it.

    What all the doctors told me was BS too, pills would definitely have gotten rid of this:

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    Yes this was me before surgery. You don't even have a before picture and you expect us to take you seriously?

    Enough with those gyno BS threads. Guys who open this kind of threads need psychological help, not letrozole or gyno surgery.
     
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  11. g.i joey

    g.i joey Senior Member

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    I wouldn't go as far as saying fred doesn't know anything about gyno. But he doesn't seem to understand the term "mild gynecomastia" which is what finasteride causes. You lucked out and got some bad gyno thete man. I never said mine was as bad as yours but just because it wasn't doesn't mean it wasn't gyno dude.

    Anyways just wanted to show you this because maybe it will help you understand. But I can't believe someone who experienced such aggressive gyno doesn't understand the toll growing boobs takes on you and why we go through lengths of taking strong medicine to rI'd ourselves of it. Tbh idc what u think, I had mild gyno and fixed it so I could give 2 **** whether you think it was gyno or not, but you shouldn't go discrediting gyno just cause it didn't look as ugly as yours
     

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    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    I think what you and OP have isn't gyno, gyno is actual boobs, everything else is just mental masturbation and probably acting on BDD, which is always very dangerous, like NW1's having hair transplants.

    When you look at my picture, there is no doubt possible, you think someone is going to come here to tell me: "Man, it's just fat!" or "I don't see anything wrong, that's a normal chest!"

    Of course not. Your pictures and the ones of OP are not convincing enough. If you have to convince people you have gyno, then you probably don't have it.

    Anyway, you should have lost weight first. I did that, because the medication also made me gain 7 kg.

    The thinner I become, the more the gyno was obvious, because all the fat around the gland was disappear, making it stand out more.

    Anyway, I don't see the point of these topics and I think men suffering from gynecomastia should consult several specialists and surgeons, and then listen to them, not random people on a forum.
     
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    Dench57 Senior Member My Regimen

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    Are you seriously saying the pics of Joey and OP don't show actual gyno? In OP's case its definitely not pseudo-gyno (fat) because he's otherwise pretty slim. You can see by the unnatural shape of the nipple its real gyno, actual glandular tissue buildup.

    And telling people they have BDD just because their gyno isn't as bad as yours is dumb. You should know how much it sucks and how people should do everything within their power to treat it, as early as possible, whether thats through surgery or meds.
     
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    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    Anyway, you guys who took finasteride (or another medication like me) and got gyno from tried and failed.

    I shouldn't have trusted my doctor with the medication he gave me, but I went ahead because I was vulnerable at the time.

    This kitchen sink approach so many people who suffer from drug-induced gynecomastia seem to use is worrying.

    Especially with posts like "I got rid of actual mammal tissue in only 1 week thanks to 1 pill a day!"

    You guys are probably all scared of having to resort to surgery so you convince yourself that what those pills are doing something.

    It's funny, people are so scared of surgery when it's actually safer, less expensive and time-consuming than these hormonal and cancer drugs.

    With surgery, I saved myself from a lot of mental anguish, and this also is priceless really.

    So I don't understand why I should be "jelly" because I didn't get to use expensive black market drugs with countless side effects that would probably also have destroyed my hair in a few weeks.

    Just admit that you tried and lost, and now have to live with a small, hardly noticeable man boobs, at least most of you stopped finasteride quickly enough.

    But if you want that gland to go away, you're going to have to go on that operating table. Sorry for the realism here.

    You think I'm talking nonsense? Just go on this forum:

    https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/

    It's the most frequented and popular gynecomastia forum in the world.

    Now tell me, do you see any "medication" sub-forum?

    No, because you cannot treat actual gyno with drugs. It's as simple as that.

    The main sub-forums there are "Acceptance" and "Surgery". Make your choice.
     
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    g.i joey Senior Member

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    actually, if you would read my posts i ALWAYS say that my tissue remains, although the size of it has greatly reduced. Actually fred, gyno is the build up of tissue in the chest, whether noticeable or not. I got mine diagnosed by a Doctor and i still feel little traces of tissue in my chest. BUT i cant say i failed because all i set out to do was bring my chest back to an acceptable size. Yes my chest looks swollen but my nipples dont puff out of my shirt anymore. Ive been going hard in the gym on my upper chest and can truly say that my gyno is basically unnoticeable. I wouldnt go as far as saying ive failed, i wouldnt call it a success either, but im comfortable with my chest AND im on finasteride so everything worked out for me.
     
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    WhitePolarBear Senior Member My Regimen

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    You fall in the acceptance category then, since you accept having gyno of an "acceptable" size.

    I wanted it gone, completely, forever. Surgery provided that for me.
     
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    im pretty sure your Doctor had to leave SOME tissue in order to keep the contour of your chest.
     
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    If it's not visible, and you can't feel it, it doesn't really matter whether its "there" or not.
     
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    1) It's hard to say we tried and failed if we are having/had success.
    2) What medication? You said you didn't use letro or nolva.
    3) I am unwilling to spend $6000 to make my nipples smaller, not "scared of surgery."
    4) The forum you linked to is primarily a hub for finding gynecomastia plastic surgeons. There is obviously a conflict of interest. As far as not being able to treat gyno with drugs, see:

    Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen: a double-blind crossover study.
    Tamoxifen for flutamide/finasteride-induced gynecomastia
    Tamoxifen therapy for painful idiopathic gynecomastia.
    Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia
    Comparison of tamoxifen with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia

    This is how I know you're an unhelpful sourpuss. I did post before pictures. Those are pre-letro, and show obvious gyno - not "pseudogyno" as you say.
    My gyno is at least 30% smaller as of today (day 13). And letrozole doesn't even reach peak concentration until at least week 3 (although there are many anecdotes of steroid-induced gyno reversal within a week; I didn't act quickly enough.

    I would like to see your after pictures of your gyno also. I am willing to bet there is not much of an aesthetic improvement.
     
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    Lucky you, Fred. Unfortunately, here in America, not only does insurance basically never cover gyno surgery, but it costs an arm and a leg and most American surgeons are very mediocre. I would have to pay additional $600 for a plane ticket just to travel to a decent surgeon. $100 for both letro and nolva and a decent shot at resolution sure beats $6-8k + a plane ticket and a chance of being unhappy with the surgery.
     

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