Craniofacial development - The thing that make us lose hair(A hair loss theory)

[Renovation]

I dont have them any longer but we just kept going through the days arrests until we hit about a 200 sample. It is a county in FL that shows the pictures of the daily arrests and gives their age etc. You can search each days arrests. The county that does it on their website is Indian River County,FL. So it would be on the Indian River County FL Sheriffs Office website.

The first page on this thread has a few and even that small sample shows posture and neck alignment correlation, I see this everyday without thinking I see a bald person 90 percent chance they have poor neck alignment compared to those with good hair, harder to tell with galea shape of people with good hair but bald people also generally have what you've described above in terms of shape. Absolutely amazes me how so many people still dismiss this. Only answer is to fix the route cause which isn't easy, or take strong meds and hope you remove enough DHT to make a difference.

 

[Ĺawton]

The first page on this thread has a few and even that small sample shows posture and neck alignment correlation, I see this everyday without thinking I see a bald person 90 percent chance they have poor neck alignment compared to those with good hair, harder to tell with galea shape of people with good hair but bald people also generally have what you've described above in terms of shape. Absolutely amazes me how so many people still dismiss this. Only answer is to fix the route cause which isn't easy, or take strong meds and hope you remove enough DHT to make a difference.

As far as the facial strucure thing I never really looked at that much. That bad forward neck posture and jaw area facial recession can make you more likely to start balding? For me to think that could be a possible factor I would probably need to see quite a few examples where those factors were present in someone their top of head shape wasnt one that seemed to increase the chance of balding. Is it rare to find someone with the top of head shape that usually balds less that has bad jaw recession or bad forward neck posture? If it is rare it would be hard to say its not just the top of head shape making it more likely. I have real good neck posture and forward facial growth so I am pretty convinced that slight elevation in the vertex area started my balding in the vertex area in my 30s.

Also the argument some make about it restricting blood flow being a big issue doesnt affect women much apparently as you see a lot of women with bad neck posture and recession with all their hair - unless the argument is in males that restricted bloodflow makes DHT park itself in the scalp.

 

[Renovation]

As far as the facial strucure thing I never really looked at that much. That bad forward neck posture and jaw area facial recession can make you more likely to start balding? For me to think that could be a possible factor I would probably need to see quite a few examples where those factors were present in someone their top of head shape wasnt one that seemed to increase the chance of balding. Is it rare to find someone with the top of head shape that usually balds less that has bad jaw recession or bad forward neck posture? If it is rare it would be hard to say its not just the top of head shape making it more likely. I have real good neck posture and forward facial growth so I am pretty convinced that slight elevation in the vertex area started my balding in the vertex area in my 30s.

Also the argument some make about it restricting blood flow being a big issue doesnt affect women much apparently as you see a lot of women with bad neck posture and recession with all their hair - unless the argument is in males that restricted bloodflow makes DHT park itself in the scalp.

I genuinely think both galea shape and neck alignment play a significant role. When I say neck alignment I mean more than just forward head posture and a lot is not externally visible. It's very hard to describe but even someone with non forward head posture may still not be internally aligned, ie the neck 'juts out' very low down nearer the top of rib cage.

I believe the occupilatis and Sub occipitalis muscles play a big role. My thinking is chronic tension in the neck muscles particularly the SCM and upper traps can transmit through the interconnected scalp muscles (occipitalis, temporalis, frontalis). Over time, this sustained tension on these 3 areas tightens the scalp, reducing circulation and promoting low-grade inflammation and fibrosis and increasing local DHT sensitivity and possibly DHT production. This matches Norwood pattern almost exactly. The skull shape is either related (bone changes / expands as people age due to the above) or simultaneously adding to the problem.

I think there's a lot more to consider but imo most is also mechanical, jaw tension for example.

Even if I'm wrong on some of the above it's impossible to deny in real life looking at people's head from side profile and the way it 'sits' in alignment to the upper body, correlates to good or bad hair.

For women I don't see the same alignment issues I'm trying (badly!) to describe, even those with poor posture or fhp it doesn't look the same.

I'll try and explain better with pictures at some point.

 

[Ĺawton]

I genuinely think both galea shape and neck alignment play a significant role. When I say neck alignment I mean more than just forward head posture and a lot is not externally visible. It's very hard to describe but even someone with non forward head posture may still not be internally aligned, ie the neck 'juts out' very low down nearer the top of rib cage.

I believe the occupilatis and Sub occipitalis muscles play a big role. My thinking is chronic tension in the neck muscles particularly the SCM and upper traps can transmit through the interconnected scalp muscles (occipitalis, temporalis, frontalis). Over time, this sustained tension on these 3 areas tightens the scalp, reducing circulation and promoting low-grade inflammation and fibrosis and increasing local DHT sensitivity and possibly DHT production. This matches Norwood pattern almost exactly. The skull shape is either related (bone changes / expands as people age due to the above) or simultaneously adding to the problem.

I think there's a lot more to consider but imo most is also mechanical, jaw tension for example.

Even if I'm wrong on some of the above it's impossible to deny in real life looking at people's head from side profile and the way it 'sits' in alignment to the upper body, correlates to good or bad hair.

For women I don't see the same alignment issues I'm trying (badly!) to describe, even those with poor posture or fhp it doesn't look the same.

I'll try and explain better with pictures at some point.

Yep post a picture on what you are talking about. I kind of know about the forward neck claims on this but if you could find a picture showing a person with the issue that is balding but the top of head shape is that general more box like shape that seems to bald less than normal.

As far as women my thinking is they are just damn lucky they have that high estrogen pre-menopause and dont have high DHT levels responding to scalp inflammation like we do.

One thing I do notice in women is a lot of them do have more rounded shapes where the forehead meets the scalp area and a lot of them seem to have real high hairlines due to that but its not due to the hairline rising like it does in most men (even in many guys that keep their hair) and seems to be set in place there in their teens.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

This thread is peak old school HairLossTalk.com where every other post was famous peoples hairlines.

 

[Jpw1999]

@Ritchie In the recent years when thick eyebrows are trendy I think that most girls are pretty. Thick natural eyebrows frame the face better and make almost every girl look pretty.

Dense eyebrows objectively look better, they're a good health indicator. Patchy eyebrows are a signal of thyroid issues. Any kind of hair loss or lack of hair density is associated with poor genes and poor health. Even guys with patchy beards look terrible compared to clean shaven.

 

[DemodexMitesExterminator]

You need to get laid bruh.

 

[DemodexMitesExterminator]

Dense eyebrows objectively look better, they're a good health indicator. Patchy eyebrows are a signal of thyroid issues. Any kind of hair loss or lack of hair density is associated with poor genes and poor health. Even guys with patchy beards look terrible compared to clean shaven.

I think I love u.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Some people are just lucky and have great genetics. That's why some people have craniofacial development far from good but are still considered attractive. It's a mixture of clear skin, outstanding eye color and being photogenic. Photo quality matters a lot how people percieve a face. A good example is Evan Nikopolous. He has flat cheekbones, eyebags, narrow jawline and long face but people still give him above 8.

He's photogenic and looks good on most photos.

He tricks people to belive that his facial structure is better than he actually is. He also has unique blue eye color and very clear skin. With the age his hairline will probably recede. You can say the same about Henry Cavill, Taylor Hill and Jon Eric Hexum. These are mostly exceptions to the rule. The way I rate most people corresponds to the way people view them on reddit. The most accurate rating is how on average people see you. Blackpillers often overrate and undarrate people. They have some sort of subjective bias in their ratings because the attractiveness isn't entirely objective. Craniofacial development isn't the only factor in attractiveness but I think it's the major driver because it infuences the most important traits like jawline, maxilla, nose shape, eye region etc. But there are other factors. Somebody may have perfect craniofacial development but looks less attactive than model tier because of skin flaws like acne, spots etc. . Also if the brows are non existant it can also be a factor. Sparse eyebrows doesn't deharmonize your looks. In my next post I will post examples. But craniofacial development will be the baseline. If you have already good craniofacial development you have potential to be attractive because everything else is easily fixable. Things like eyebrows, skin etc. can easily improve.

 

[Unlucky93]

 

[Jakejr]

This theory is completely useless to reality..
Even if true… which absolutely no one in scientific community promotes.. the men who have lost their hair & have bad craniums according to moi.. can’t change it .. so why even bring it up.. They want SOLUTIONS.. not conspiracy theories..

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Sparse eyebrows don't deharmonize your looks if you have good facial structure. Emily Didonato have alsmost non existant eyebrows but is still rated 8+.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Back in the days I think I overrated some footballers. One of them is Kevin De Bruyne. I gave him a 9 but at his best photos he's more like a 7. I notice one striking detail and his eye area that is extremely symmetrical. However his jawline is narrow and has lot of fat beneath it.

 

[Jpw1999]

@Ritchie Back in the days I think I overrated some footballers. One of them is Kevin De Bruyne. I gave him a 9 but at his best photos he's more like a 7. I notice one striking detail and his eye area that is extremely symmetrical. However his jawline is narrow and has lot of fat beneath it.
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I'm jealous of that hairline and density, holy sh*t, my hair has never looked like that in my life. Even when I look at pics of myself as a kid, you can see a bit of scalp in harsh lighting.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Face Iq labs is paid but you don't need to pay to know where you stand. It makes mistakes like giving Cristiano Ronaldo and Zac Effon 6/10(There are list of celebrities on the website and the score they received) but it's mostly legit and gives accurate score if the face is centered in the photo and the photo is good quality. I tested it with different faces. There are free ratios available and based on them you will know what tier is your face. I tested these with at least 2 faces. The rules are the following:

If you have more than three ratios with a number before 5 then you are most likely below average looking. Eg. Casey Neistat.

If you have 2 or 3 below average ratios then you are most likely average looking. Eg. Ryan Gosling

If you have one or two below average ratios then you are between average looking and a model. Eg. Brandon Routh

If all of your ratios are above average then you have model tier face. Eg. Alain Delon

Not only first ratios but the median aritmethic number of all ratios will be higher the more attractive you are. If we take the median number of the first 10 ratios for example this number will be 2.29 for Casey Neistat, 4.44 for Ryan Gossling, 6.83 for Brandon Routh and 8.05 for Alain Delon. I also tried it with a random photo during a training photo session but I will not reveal my ratios now. After I grow my bangs I will be a large photo shoot of my facial structure and I will post the best photos.

 

[Mitko1]

@Ritchie Two years ago I think I overrated some girls but today I am better at rating faces. I gave this girl 8. I don't think she's exactly 8. Her jawline is a little bit round and weak. But still 5/10 is ridicoulous for her. She has very compact mid face and positive eye canthal tilt, medium sized nose and full lips.

This one - also overrated her. Gave 8 but she's not 5/10, What I see is beautiful blue eyes, neutral eye canthal tilt and symmetry. The jawline is extremely solid but the maxilla is flawed and the nose is too thin. Also around 6.5.

 

[Jpw1999]

@Ritchie Face Iq labs is paid but you don't need to pay to know where you stand. It makes mistakes like giving Cristiano Ronaldo and Zac Effon 6/10(There are list of celebrities on the website and the score they received) but it's mostly legit and gives accurate score if the face is centered in the photo and the photo is good quality. I tested it with different faces. There are free ratios available and based on them you will know what tier is your face. I tested these with at least 2 faces. The rules are the following:

If you have more than three ratios with a number before 5 then you are most likely below average looking. Eg. Casey Neistat.

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If you have 2 or 3 below average ratios then you are most likely average looking. Eg. Ryan Gosling
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If you have one or two below average ratios then you are between average looking and a model. Eg. Brandon Routh
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If all of your ratios are above average then you have model tier face. Eg. Alain Delon
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Not only first ratios but the median aritmethic number of all ratios will be higher the more attractive you are. If we take the median number of the first 10 ratios for example this number will be 2.29 for Casey Neistat, 4.44 for Ryan Gossling, 6.83 for Brandon Routh and 8.05 for Alain Delon. I also tried it with a random photo during a training photo session but I will not reveal my ratios now. After I grow my bangs I will be a large photo shoot of my facial structure and I will post the best photos.

I haven't used faceiqlabs in a while, I'm impressed that you don't even have to plot the landmarks yourself anymore. I checked them and they were plotted correctly.

My side profile scored 6.5 overall which is apparently in the top 16% according to the app.

These were my front view ratios, I used selfie cam at arms length so my face would be less elongated in a better picture. I'm guessing that my front would score similar to my side because I have a lot of good ratios.