Craniofacial development - The thing that make us lose hair(A hair loss theory)

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I dont have them any longer but we just kept going through the days arrests until we hit about a 200 sample. It is a county in FL that shows the pictures of the daily arrests and gives their age etc. You can search each days arrests. The county that does it on their website is Indian River County,FL. So it would be on the Indian River County FL Sheriffs Office website.

The first page on this thread has a few and even that small sample shows posture and neck alignment correlation, I see this everyday without thinking I see a bald person 90 percent chance they have poor neck alignment compared to those with good hair, harder to tell with galea shape of people with good hair but bald people also generally have what you've described above in terms of shape. Absolutely amazes me how so many people still dismiss this. Only answer is to fix the route cause which isn't easy, or take strong meds and hope you remove enough DHT to make a difference.

 

[Ĺawton]

The first page on this thread has a few and even that small sample shows posture and neck alignment correlation, I see this everyday without thinking I see a bald person 90 percent chance they have poor neck alignment compared to those with good hair, harder to tell with galea shape of people with good hair but bald people also generally have what you've described above in terms of shape. Absolutely amazes me how so many people still dismiss this. Only answer is to fix the route cause which isn't easy, or take strong meds and hope you remove enough DHT to make a difference.

As far as the facial strucure thing I never really looked at that much. That bad forward neck posture and jaw area facial recession can make you more likely to start balding? For me to think that could be a possible factor I would probably need to see quite a few examples where those factors were present in someone their top of head shape wasnt one that seemed to increase the chance of balding. Is it rare to find someone with the top of head shape that usually balds less that has bad jaw recession or bad forward neck posture? If it is rare it would be hard to say its not just the top of head shape making it more likely. I have real good neck posture and forward facial growth so I am pretty convinced that slight elevation in the vertex area started my balding in the vertex area in my 30s.

Also the argument some make about it restricting blood flow being a big issue doesnt affect women much apparently as you see a lot of women with bad neck posture and recession with all their hair - unless the argument is in males that restricted bloodflow makes DHT park itself in the scalp.

 

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As far as the facial strucure thing I never really looked at that much. That bad forward neck posture and jaw area facial recession can make you more likely to start balding? For me to think that could be a possible factor I would probably need to see quite a few examples where those factors were present in someone their top of head shape wasnt one that seemed to increase the chance of balding. Is it rare to find someone with the top of head shape that usually balds less that has bad jaw recession or bad forward neck posture? If it is rare it would be hard to say its not just the top of head shape making it more likely. I have real good neck posture and forward facial growth so I am pretty convinced that slight elevation in the vertex area started my balding in the vertex area in my 30s.

Also the argument some make about it restricting blood flow being a big issue doesnt affect women much apparently as you see a lot of women with bad neck posture and recession with all their hair - unless the argument is in males that restricted bloodflow makes DHT park itself in the scalp.

I genuinely think both galea shape and neck alignment play a significant role. When I say neck alignment I mean more than just forward head posture and a lot is not externally visible. It's very hard to describe but even someone with non forward head posture may still not be internally aligned, ie the neck 'juts out' very low down nearer the top of rib cage.

I believe the occupilatis and Sub occipitalis muscles play a big role. My thinking is chronic tension in the neck muscles particularly the SCM and upper traps can transmit through the interconnected scalp muscles (occipitalis, temporalis, frontalis). Over time, this sustained tension on these 3 areas tightens the scalp, reducing circulation and promoting low-grade inflammation and fibrosis and increasing local DHT sensitivity and possibly DHT production. This matches Norwood pattern almost exactly. The skull shape is either related (bone changes / expands as people age due to the above) or simultaneously adding to the problem.

I think there's a lot more to consider but imo most is also mechanical, jaw tension for example.

Even if I'm wrong on some of the above it's impossible to deny in real life looking at people's head from side profile and the way it 'sits' in alignment to the upper body, correlates to good or bad hair.

For women I don't see the same alignment issues I'm trying (badly!) to describe, even those with poor posture or fhp it doesn't look the same.

I'll try and explain better with pictures at some point.

 

[Ĺawton]

I genuinely think both galea shape and neck alignment play a significant role. When I say neck alignment I mean more than just forward head posture and a lot is not externally visible. It's very hard to describe but even someone with non forward head posture may still not be internally aligned, ie the neck 'juts out' very low down nearer the top of rib cage.

I believe the occupilatis and Sub occipitalis muscles play a big role. My thinking is chronic tension in the neck muscles particularly the SCM and upper traps can transmit through the interconnected scalp muscles (occipitalis, temporalis, frontalis). Over time, this sustained tension on these 3 areas tightens the scalp, reducing circulation and promoting low-grade inflammation and fibrosis and increasing local DHT sensitivity and possibly DHT production. This matches Norwood pattern almost exactly. The skull shape is either related (bone changes / expands as people age due to the above) or simultaneously adding to the problem.

I think there's a lot more to consider but imo most is also mechanical, jaw tension for example.

Even if I'm wrong on some of the above it's impossible to deny in real life looking at people's head from side profile and the way it 'sits' in alignment to the upper body, correlates to good or bad hair.

For women I don't see the same alignment issues I'm trying (badly!) to describe, even those with poor posture or fhp it doesn't look the same.

I'll try and explain better with pictures at some point.

Yep post a picture on what you are talking about. I kind of know about the forward neck claims on this but if you could find a picture showing a person with the issue that is balding but the top of head shape is that general more box like shape that seems to bald less than normal.

As far as women my thinking is they are just damn lucky they have that high estrogen pre-menopause and dont have high DHT levels responding to scalp inflammation like we do.

One thing I do notice in women is a lot of them do have more rounded shapes where the forehead meets the scalp area and a lot of them seem to have real high hairlines due to that but its not due to the hairline rising like it does in most men (even in many guys that keep their hair) and seems to be set in place there in their teens.

 

[AnxiousAndy]

This thread is peak old school HairLossTalk.com where every other post was famous peoples hairlines.