Carlos Wesley Prp Video. Nothing Earth Shattering

[Mach]

https://www.baldtruthtaIk.com/threa...rlos-K.-Wesley-M.D.-(NYC-LA)?highlight=wesley

 

[hairblues]

@Mach are you doing it with Dr w? or have you done it with anyone?

 

[hellouser]

Here's the video (so that nobody has to go to that barren wasteland website of Spencer Kobren's)

 

[baldingAF]

Does anyone know of some md or practice that seems to take extra care when doing prp? Preferably in the south east of the US area, heading up to Ny would be about as much as the treatment

I had one prp done about two months ago and there was some benefit on a cosmetic level. I wanted to get another one but just having the Harvest system centrifuge isn't enough apparently. If i go again I'd like to know i did it right...

 

[hairblues]

Does anyone know of some md or practice that seems to take extra care when doing prp? Preferably in the south east of the US area, heading up to Ny would be about as much as the treatment

I had one prp done about two months ago and there was some benefit on a cosmetic level. I wanted to get another one but just having the Harvest system centrifuge isn't enough apparently. If i go again I'd like to know i did it right...

I think Greico in Florida and Cole in Atlanta.

Dr Greico is doing it the longest i believe and people have talked positive on message boards about him for long time (although take everything with grain of salt) and Dr Cole recently did a study about PRP.

Im sure more out there i just don't know names off top of my head.

 

[baldingAF]

Yeah I know I've heard Greko before too but I thought I remembered him being associated with scammy stuff, maybe it was just people mad about prp

I'll check it out, thanks

 

[hairblues]

Yeah I know I've heard Greko before too but I thought I remembered him being associated with scammy stuff, maybe it was just people mad about prp

I'll check it out, thanks

Well PRP in general on this forum is considered a scam. I don't know if its a scam i may try it myself to be honest but its pricey and does not work for everyone..so you are gambling.

 

[baldingAF]

Thanks for looking out @hairblues but I already earned some money to through with it, so might as well find the best. But what they charge is no joke a f*****g scam

 

[shookwun]

I think Greico in Florida and Cole in Atlanta.

Dr Greico is doing it the longest i believe and people have talked positive on message boards about him for long time (although take everything with grain of salt) and Dr Cole recently did a study about PRP.

Im sure more out there i just don't know names off top of my head.

Do you have a link to the study?


Both my transplant surgeons when asked about prp told me there is no medical lterature and statistical proof to back it's effectiveness up.



Is prp mixed with a cell? If this treatment was proven to work I would of have it done. The ability to reverse my thinned hairs maintained by finasteride

 

[Swoop]

Do you have a link to the study?


Both my transplant surgeons when asked about prp told me there is no medical lterature and statistical proof to back it's effectiveness up.



Is prp mixed with a cell? If this treatment was proven to work I would of have it done. The ability to reverse my thinned hairs maintained by finasteride

Here is Cole his recent study: http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/2/408/htm

 

[Mach]

Thanks man! Not a fan of that wasteland.

Here's the video (so that nobody has to go to that barren wasteland website of Spencer Kobren's)

 

[Mach]

My PRP was with Cole. I'll continue to get PRP sonicated or w/ACELL. It's up to Cole. If you got the money it makes perfect sense. If you don't got they money stay away.

@Mach are you doing it with Dr w? or have you done it with anyone?

 

[hairblues]

Do you have a link to the study?


Both my transplant surgeons when asked about prp told me there is no medical lterature and statistical proof to back it's effectiveness up.

Is prp mixed with a cell? If this treatment was proven to work I would of have it done. The ability to reverse my thinned hairs maintained by finasteride

Let me just be clear i am on fence about PRP not endorsing it..to me its very 'buyer beware'.

On this link they talk about Dr Cole doing the study--but i cant find the results--he has some information about PRP on his site though. I can email his office if you want me to ask for the 'study'.
http://www.folliclethought.com/dr-cole-seeks-out-best-prp-application-in-new-study/
https://www.forhair.com

here is a blog post Dr Cole had on a PRP patient--there is more on is blog posts
https://www.forhair.com/prp-and-acell-one-year-results/

Here is from Dr Wesly site because that video it was hard for me to follow--(boring).

HOW PRP STIMULATES HAIR GROWTH:

The growth factors contained within platelets help stimulate healing and the generation of new tissue structures. Regarding their specific application to hair restoration, these factors have been postulated to act both in the bulb region and bulge area of the hair follicle (the two regions where stem cells are concentrated) in order to activate the proliferative phase of the hair cycle.

Within follicle dermal papilla cells (of the bulb region), the process of apoptosis (cell death) is halted by stimulation of a molecule called AKT . By arresting cell death, hair follicles are able to continue in the growth phase. New blood vessel formation around follicles is also increased.

Essentially, growth factors concentrated in PRP serve to enhance the messaging between to the two stem cell-enriched regions of the hair follicle (the bulge and bulb) in order to facilitate prolongation of an existing and regeneration of a future hair follicle.

BUT he goes on to say clearly;

The degree of improvement in hair density and fullness is generally much more impressive with surgical hair restoration rather than PRP treatments. Hair restoration surgery also leads to a permanent improvement in hair density and coverage.

Not all patients will experience marked improvement of their hair quality after a PRP treatment. Proper patient selection by a qualified physician using microscopic evaluation of the scalp is generally the most important variable in ensuring maximal patient benefit. Other technical aspects of the manner in which the PRP treatment is performed can also optimize patient benefit from PRP. They are discussed in detail in the video lecture atop this page and include: PRP concentration, PRP activation, frequency of PRP treatments, growth factor release prolongation, micro-needling, etc.


I know on Realself.com--at one time a Transplant surgeon Dr Jae Pak was very against PRP when people would ask questions worth/not worth it--but recently he is not as negative...(maybe site asks him to chill out though ?)
her is a recent quote from Dr Jae Pak
If you understand androgenic (genetic) hair loss has no "cure" then you can consider treatment options based on set expectations. In other words, PRP may work but it is not a permanent solution.


Here are some studies i did find (sorry if any are same studies pulling quickly)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4134641/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26400925
http://selphyl.com/wp-content/uploa...PRP-in-Hair-Regrowth-sctm20150107-Gentile.pdf
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/760709/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4338465/
http://grecomedicalgroup.com/eblast/10312014/2014_Schiavone-PRP.pdf


Here is Bernstein--who is now also offering it (which surprised me to be honest because he was not a few years ago)
https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/prp-hair-loss-therapy-long-term-benefits/

here is another paper written about it from a place called Stem Cell Institute (?)
http://prolotherapyinstitute.com/health-tips/prp-hair-loss/

 

[mr_robot]

The problem I have with PRP in general is that the benefits can only be temporary. Increasing VEGF for example will help your hair in place and hairs in the resting stages when injected but later as new hairs going into categen they wont get the benefit. This is why I'm also not very confident in Histogen either.

 

[hairblues]

The problem I have with PRP in general is that the benefits can only be temporary. Increasing VEGF for example will help your hair in place and hairs in the resting stages when injected but later as new hairs going into categen they wont get the benefit. This is why I'm also not very confident in Histogen either.

I think if (like many women) person has slow hair loss that is just some thinning--this can be a positive thing...i think men lose more (too) aggressive for this..theoretically speaking.

It might also be a theoretical option for men with DUPA. or defuse hair loss.

 

[mr_robot]

I think if (like many women) person has slow hair loss that is just some thinning--this can be a positive thing...i think men lose more (too) aggressive for this..theoretically speaking.

It might also be a theoretical option for men with DUPA. or defuse hair loss.

The problem is that we're probably talking benefits lasting in the realm of weeks rather than months, so you'd have to keep having PRP every few months.

 

[baldingAF]

@Mach tell me about your prp with Cole.

Benefits?
What Norwood are you?
Cost?
Recovery time?

I've got a consult set up with him

 

[hairblues]

The problem is that we're probably talking benefits lasting in the realm of weeks rather than months, so you'd have to keep having PRP every few months.

lDr i went to for consult told me 2x 4 months apart and then not again for like 18-24 months they use Acell.
But another Dr does it every 6 weeks for several months no Acell.

If i do it I am going with first.

but again no way to know if it works....even if I get good results--womens hair loss is different then men unless man is in 20s and has just started hair loss for few years and not aggressive...to use in conjunction with other treatments.
Its not a replacement or alternative to hair transplant surgery

its just another bridge to keep hair follicles working for longer.

 

[hairblues]

as always, totally different lighting and slightly different combed hairs gives the illusion of an improvement. that's all. shame on cole.
not sure why PRP is even discussed anymore. it simply doesn't work, or at least only to such a minimal degree that it's basically negligible, and in any case it's only temporary.

Wesley photos on his site are good though same exact lighting angles.

people are discussing it because its a hair loss forum and we discuss sh*t amongst ourselves.

and every thread of treatment there are people screaming 'scam'..so it's becomes little boy who cried wolf.

 

[Trouse]

It's disgusting that licensed physicians push this scam. It's why I would never, ever get a transplant - these people are totally unethical. What's even more disgusting is the markup these hucksters charge - $2000 per treatment? For what? Drawing your blood, throwing in some nonsense, and spinning it in a $300 centrifuge? Oh, and they claim you need at least four treatments. For that price, you could get an hair transplant - at least then you know you'll have more hair on your head than you did before you threw $8k into a furnace.

Just because some doctors are unethical doesn't mean it makes sense to dismiss hair transplants out of hand. Some surgeons are extremely skilled and take bald guys and to the untrained, non-hairloss obsessed eye, turn them into fullheads so long as they tolerate propecia.

Nothing sketchy about that lighting.