American Health care reform protests
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EasyEd
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Bryan said:
I just typed a long response and when I tried to submit, I was kicked out of the site since I'm at work. In a very short response, I don't think it's necessary. We already have Medicaid...what's so good about the plan? What's it going to solve that can't already be solved? The majority of people who don't have care now are poor and eligible for Medicaid or don't have health care because it's their own choice.
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EasyEd said:
The problem with medicaid is that it doesn't include the entire population that it should be designed to assist. Everyone, ages birth to 22, should be included in a government plan. After that, health insurance should be a required service provided by employers with employers receiving government subsidies to assist with covering their employees until the age of retirement (preferrably 65). From that time on, the government will provide medicare services until the age of 75-80 (which is in the range of average lifespan). After that, each individual is on their own and remains private pay. The glory of such a plan is that it will encourage people to actually pay attention to their health and treat their chronic problems early and often, so as to live past 80 years of age. The only other option that should be available is a disability plan for disabled Americans that includes healthcare coverage.
The population of America nearly quadrupled during the last century. The funny thing is, it really doesn't seem like the extra 300 million really do anything for anyone else.
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So, will Obama's administration win the vote tonight?
I just saw a news report on UK television and how it's causing a volotile debate in Washington. There are protesters outside with posters calling Obama a Socialist !
Our news reported that the Bill is designed to include most of those 32 million (yes, 32 million !) Americans who have no health insurance. They also reported on the case of a civil servant who can't get health insurance because she has existing health conditions that make her a high risk. How can that be? She works and contributes to society and yet she is excluded from first class health care.
One Republican Senator decried the Bill as a European "Nanny State" piece of legislation. Another said that if the Bill goes through then a slice of freedom will die. For who? The insurance companies?
Surely, it'll be a new slice of freedom for those 32 million.
I just saw a news report on UK television and how it's causing a volotile debate in Washington. There are protesters outside with posters calling Obama a Socialist !
Our news reported that the Bill is designed to include most of those 32 million (yes, 32 million !) Americans who have no health insurance. They also reported on the case of a civil servant who can't get health insurance because she has existing health conditions that make her a high risk. How can that be? She works and contributes to society and yet she is excluded from first class health care.
One Republican Senator decried the Bill as a European "Nanny State" piece of legislation. Another said that if the Bill goes through then a slice of freedom will die. For who? The insurance companies?
Surely, it'll be a new slice of freedom for those 32 million.
Cassin
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Optimistic said:
They have their right and whether or not I agree with them I love living in a country where people are allowed to protest whatever they see fit. And I am glad people still have the desire to protest the government instead of rolling over on anything that require effort.
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i think it's about time that some Americans, albeit a minority need to grow up from this post red scare paranoia or commies coming to take over, i can imagine 1 day some Americans actually demanding a full privatisation of all services forcing people buy private security instead of having the police, getting fire service cover and toll booth roads everywhere owned privately of course just to be as non communist you can get
well the NHS in the uk has been excellent and i don't think America could do that bad if they just took the entire NHS and just copied and pasted it all over America
well the NHS in the uk has been excellent and i don't think America could do that bad if they just took the entire NHS and just copied and pasted it all over America
The Gardener
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That's probably FAR more in the cards for our future than people probably might imagine right now.somone uk said:
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That's probably FAR more in the cards for our future than people probably might imagine right now.[/quote:2bcq4zxh]The Gardener said:
A typical recent incident from another Parallel Universe, not too far from our own:
(telephone goes ring-ring-ring)
"Hello, Acme Police Force. How may I assist you?"
(screaming female voice) "HELP! Thugs broke into our home, shouting that they're going to rape us all, then kill us! Were hiding in the attic!!"
"Yes, ma'am. We'll send a car right away, as soon as we get the financial details taken care of. How do you wish to pay for this call? We accept all the major credit cards, including Visa, MasterCard, and American Express."
"Please! I'm BEGGING you!! Our cards are all over-drawn! Please send help right now, we'll try to make some financial arrangements afterwards!"
"Sorry, ma'am, but this isn't one of those European Socialist nanny states! If you can't pay for this call, you're sh*t out of luck!" (hangs up)
somone uk
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Bryan said:
A typical recent incident from another Parallel Universe, not too far from our own:
(telephone goes ring-ring-ring)
"Hello, Acme Police Force. How may I assist you?"
(screaming female voice) "HELP! Thugs broke into our home, shouting that they're going to rape us all, then kill us! Were hiding in the attic!!"
"Yes, ma'am. We'll send a car right away, as soon as we get the financial details taken care of. How do you wish to pay for this call? We accept all the major credit cards, including Visa, MasterCard, and American Express."
"Please! I'm BEGGING you!! Our cards are all over-drawn! Please send help right now, we'll try to make some financial arrangements afterwards!"
"Sorry, ma'am, but this isn't one of those European Socialist nanny states! If you can't pay for this call, you're sh*t out of luck!" (hangs up)[/quote:2szytzva]
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Cassin said:
Of course they have their right to protest. I'm not disputing that. I'm merely exercising my right to question their beliefs.We both live in democratic countries where freedom of expression is encouraged within a multi political party society.
What the US now seems to have is a compulsory health insurance system like most European countries do, with the exception of the UK and its National Health Service, which is funded purely through taxation and not the best model in my opinion.
Hopefully, after the election and a possible change of government, the UK will be tempted to follow the French and German model too.
The Gardener
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BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT! YOU PEOPLE ARE DESTROYING AMERICA!
THE MAN FROM MOMBASA, THE CLOSET MUSLIM USURPER IN CHIEF, WANTS TO TURN AMERICA INTO VENEZUELA!
EVERYBODY GO CRAZY AND RUN FOR THE HILLS!
AAAAAAHHHH!
THE MAN FROM MOMBASA, THE CLOSET MUSLIM USURPER IN CHIEF, WANTS TO TURN AMERICA INTO VENEZUELA!
EVERYBODY GO CRAZY AND RUN FOR THE HILLS!
AAAAAAHHHH!
The Gardener
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Where the Oxy-Rush Limbaugers want to take America:
Cassin
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For Aussie...this is just an example of the craziness that goes on at this site.
Emily Sander, the victim of a killer who posted his actions on 4chan before the actual police discovery.
Credit: The Parsnip! | © Wikimedia Commons
On November 23, 2007, an 18-year old girl by the name of Emily Sander was reported missing in her hometown of Olathe, Kansas. Six days later, her dead body was found 50 miles from El Dorado. Investigators refused to give any details to the media on how her body was found or the condition of the body.
Emily Sander's death, at the time, led to significant immediate attention. In fact, she was an internet p**rn model under the name Zoey Zane, and hosted a website to increase her popularity. Her family, according to her grandmother Shirley Sander, knew nothing of her hidden life until police had hypothesized this.
However, one crucial piece of evidence seemed to be missing. How had the investigators found the body? The answer seemed to lie at one of the most popular section of http://www.4chan.org, the /b/ (or random) forum.
The /b/ forum is infamous around the web. The users, anonymously known as /b/tards, have created such internet memes as lolcats, rickrolling, the popularization of "Chocolate Rain," and other e-words like "lulz." Other incidents have also contributed to /b/'s infamy, like declarations of school shootings before they happen or the planning of terrorist attacks. Child and other pornography also riddle the forum. With this in mind, the /b/ forum is one of the most popular forums on the internet for its user anonymousness, randomness, and creativity.
But how does the /b/ forum relate to the death of Emily Sander? The connection belongs to this image, soon released after her death. Make sure to maximize the image before viewing it. It takes a while before you finally understand the significance of the image, a seemingly hodgepodge of pictures at first glance.
After a few moments, you quickly find out what the image means. In the top left of the image, the first poster says, "If anyone can correctly guess their own post number, I will tell you where she is buried." Immediately, posters start guessing their own post number. Within 9 minutes, a
person correctly guesses their number. The thread starter, as promised, gives the location of the Emily Sander's body at 1:16; it is at 37.76 N, 96.21 W. In the bottom left of the image is a news article. It states that one hour later, at 2:20 p.m., investigators had found the body of missing college student, Emily Sander. In the bottom right of the image, another news article says the body was found 50 miles from El Dorado, which the image in the top right confirms. From this collection of images, it seems all too clear that the person who initiated the thread, saying where the body of Emily Sander was, was in fact her murderer.
Events like these aren't unexpected on 4chan. It now makes sense that the reason investigators refused to say how the body was found was because its location was posted on 4chan one hour before police had found the body. After six days of searching, police used the information on 4chan to finish the investigation. To the majority of us, it is too shocking to know that people will commit murder only to post it on a forum in an attempt for attention. However, clouds still hover over the case.
While the current suspect has a history of murder, rape, and aggravated sodomy, he currently lives in Mexico and needs to be extradited. In addition, it's possible that time zones may have contributed to the shocking value of the image. It could be that the first poster had actually read the article and posted it immediately after he read it, with the time zone difference making it appear that he actually had posted it one hour prior. Nevertheless, it seems unlikely that the location he gave would be so accurate.
The case of Emily Sander simply reinforces the danger of 4chan. People will commit insane and heinous crimes solely for attention. While I don't advocate the termination of the site, it may be important to institute greater moderation of the site to limit the adverse effects that it can cause.
Source:
"Murder of Emily Sander. Wikipedia.
"4chan." Wikipedia.
Emily Sander, the victim of a killer who posted his actions on 4chan before the actual police discovery.
Credit: The Parsnip! | © Wikimedia Commons
On November 23, 2007, an 18-year old girl by the name of Emily Sander was reported missing in her hometown of Olathe, Kansas. Six days later, her dead body was found 50 miles from El Dorado. Investigators refused to give any details to the media on how her body was found or the condition of the body.
Emily Sander's death, at the time, led to significant immediate attention. In fact, she was an internet p**rn model under the name Zoey Zane, and hosted a website to increase her popularity. Her family, according to her grandmother Shirley Sander, knew nothing of her hidden life until police had hypothesized this.
However, one crucial piece of evidence seemed to be missing. How had the investigators found the body? The answer seemed to lie at one of the most popular section of http://www.4chan.org, the /b/ (or random) forum.
The /b/ forum is infamous around the web. The users, anonymously known as /b/tards, have created such internet memes as lolcats, rickrolling, the popularization of "Chocolate Rain," and other e-words like "lulz." Other incidents have also contributed to /b/'s infamy, like declarations of school shootings before they happen or the planning of terrorist attacks. Child and other pornography also riddle the forum. With this in mind, the /b/ forum is one of the most popular forums on the internet for its user anonymousness, randomness, and creativity.
But how does the /b/ forum relate to the death of Emily Sander? The connection belongs to this image, soon released after her death. Make sure to maximize the image before viewing it. It takes a while before you finally understand the significance of the image, a seemingly hodgepodge of pictures at first glance.
After a few moments, you quickly find out what the image means. In the top left of the image, the first poster says, "If anyone can correctly guess their own post number, I will tell you where she is buried." Immediately, posters start guessing their own post number. Within 9 minutes, a
person correctly guesses their number. The thread starter, as promised, gives the location of the Emily Sander's body at 1:16; it is at 37.76 N, 96.21 W. In the bottom left of the image is a news article. It states that one hour later, at 2:20 p.m., investigators had found the body of missing college student, Emily Sander. In the bottom right of the image, another news article says the body was found 50 miles from El Dorado, which the image in the top right confirms. From this collection of images, it seems all too clear that the person who initiated the thread, saying where the body of Emily Sander was, was in fact her murderer.
Events like these aren't unexpected on 4chan. It now makes sense that the reason investigators refused to say how the body was found was because its location was posted on 4chan one hour before police had found the body. After six days of searching, police used the information on 4chan to finish the investigation. To the majority of us, it is too shocking to know that people will commit murder only to post it on a forum in an attempt for attention. However, clouds still hover over the case.
While the current suspect has a history of murder, rape, and aggravated sodomy, he currently lives in Mexico and needs to be extradited. In addition, it's possible that time zones may have contributed to the shocking value of the image. It could be that the first poster had actually read the article and posted it immediately after he read it, with the time zone difference making it appear that he actually had posted it one hour prior. Nevertheless, it seems unlikely that the location he gave would be so accurate.
The case of Emily Sander simply reinforces the danger of 4chan. People will commit insane and heinous crimes solely for attention. While I don't advocate the termination of the site, it may be important to institute greater moderation of the site to limit the adverse effects that it can cause.
Source:
"Murder of Emily Sander. Wikipedia.
"4chan." Wikipedia.