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28 Yr Frontal Transplant (~2100 Graft) 8 Months

Discussion in 'Hair Transplant FUT Before and After Photos' started by Speran28, Aug 9, 2017.

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Is this a good transplant? Would you be happy with it?

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  1. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    Hey everyone,

    I wanted to post my results so far on my hair transplant. I've posted pre-op and now at 8 months along with pictures and measurement of my scar at 8 months.

    I had a 22 x 1.2 cm strip taken out. That is 26.4 cm^2. Density estimated at about 210 hairs per cm^2 or around 80 FU. Giving me ~2100 grafts (doctor does not charge by graft, but this is what they estimate).

    I would like the communities feedback. I have been told to wait till 12 months before making any decisions, but am questioning (based on others I have seen).
    If this is really what I should be expecting?
    I have coarse thick hair w/ good donor density and simply wanted my temples filled in with a bit of crown thickening. Hair growth hasn't seemed to change much in about 2 months. I followed cleaning procedures after surgery to the letter and took 3 weeks off work just to make sure I cared for this perfectly.
     

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  2. DoctorHouse

    DoctorHouse Senior Member

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    With your hair characteristics I would have expected better density than you show in the areas transplanted. Maybe you are a slow grower. How many FU per square inch were transplanted? How many grafts in total did you get transplanted?
     
  3. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    Updated my post to add clarification.
     
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    sunchyme1 Senior Member My Regimen

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    looks terrible mate.

    surely this isnt normal for 8 months, hopefully the other guys around here will be more helpful

    but i sure as fuck wouldnt be happy about this

    who was the doctor?
     
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    I don't think 2100 grafts was nearly enough to give you what you wanted so I'm not surprised it came out thin like it did. Also it appears the FUT incision was placed too high up the donor area near the crown, not the optimal place to take grafts. You could send your first photo to a couple of the top hairline experts and see what they say, I am guessing 3000 to 3500 was needed. I wouldn't use whoever did this procedure again though, I would not trust a second one when grafts are priceless to replace.
     
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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    The graft number is fine, assuming you didn't have grafts placed in the remaining forelock. Your donor looks slightly thicker than average so naturally gives good coverage too.

    Would wait it out until the 12 month mark to pass final judgement (a select few have miracoulous turnarounds past 8 months) but likely a poor yield. Hard to tell without photos of post-op but likely around the 25% mark for yield, so not entirely wasted and easily repairable but a bad result. Also the strip area does look a little high, and the scarring large.
     
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    topcat Established Member My Regimen

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    Hard to say at this point and best to wait the full 12 months. Hair transplantation in general can maybe give about 50% coverage so about 40 fu/sq/cm for most. Do I see 50% coverage in your photos? Not quite.

    Just be careful moving forward with the decisions you make.
     
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  8. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    They did place grafts in the frontal crown area to thicken it up. I told them repeatedly my main concern was density and having enough hair more than filling in the temples, but they kept saying they would give me more than enough etc.
     
  9. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    Here are pictures about 6 hours post-op.

    I'm not going to display the name for now out of respect for the clinics reputation.
    I've talked to my patient advisor and he says they will do anything in their power to fix free of charge. Whether than be scar revision, more hairs grafted, fue into scar or smp.

    They want me to wait till 12 months as they believe I am simply a slow grower. My scar I'm not sure what happened another person I know used the same doctor and his scar looks pretty good.

    I'm praying I'm a slow grower, but really this hair hasn't changed much in 2 months and I'm really confused about what happened (as was the patient advisor).

    I took extremely good care of the hair post op as well and avoided gym from 2 months (losing 10 lbs of muscle.) To try to make sure my scar wasn't stretched....
     

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    JeanLucBB Senior Member My Regimen

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    The work doesn't look refined and considering the scar, high area they took the strip from and poor planning, avoid the clinic at all costs. I can also see large gaps between individual grafts in the very front of the hairline. This is amateur work.

    Get a refund and don't go back if it isn't fine at the 12 month mark, or you'll be sorry.
     
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    spring15 Experienced Member

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    You have nice donor. I don't see you coming back from this with a positive result though 8 months in. Hopefully the clinic offers some sort of compensation.
     
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    Do not waste more grafts going back to the same clinic. They should be named so others can avoid them.
     
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    At around eight months all the hairs have sprouted already. Whats to be expected after is a change in characteristics of the follicle becoming longer, darker, and thicker in diameter.

    At around six months for that matter, almost all the hairs have sprouted. Some doctors anticipate there is between 15-20% growth remaining.


    But when we speak numbers and percentages at around six months 50% of the cosmetic benefit is achieved. Leaving a large percentage of maturation in the hair to remain afterwards.

    Seek advice from the ISHRS about filing a complaint and what your options are moving forward
     
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    It's a real poor transplant mate sorry. Get your money back and go somewhere reliable. Please tell us the name of the doctor/clinic.
     
  15. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    Updated pictures.
    I am almost at 10 months here.

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    I have schedule a consult for 2 months from now with Dr. Jerry Cooley. Hopefully he can help me fix this situation. I am still really dissatisfied with this result. I am going to touch base with the clinic in about a months time to see if they will give me any form of refund.
     
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    You can say transplants have various categories of grading: excellent, good, pass, fail. This is a fail. You should be able to rectify it with a surgeon like Dr. Cooley and because you still have a lot of donor to spare.

    Sometimes results such as these can be due to bad luck beyond the surgeon. Excess fibrosis and impaired blood supply in recipient area can lead to poor growth for example.

    But in this case, looking at how the grafts were spaced out, I feel the surgeon messed up. You sure that's 2100 grafts? Either way, poorly spaced out and not great use of incisions. Maybe a lot of dead grafts were implanted. Damaged during extraction, storage or improper handling by techs.

    2100 grafts should have given you a pretty full head of hair back.
     
  17. Speran28

    Speran28 New Member My Regimen

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    Agreed. I am very frustrated with this.

    Any suggestions on how to seek a refund or some kind of recompense from the surgeon?
     
  18. Wolf Pack

    Wolf Pack Moderator My Regimen
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    Depends on who you went to. First I would contact the surgeon. He may offer free remedial work or at a discount - don't go. He's already screwed up once. Maybe he will give you a refund of some kind especially if you agree not to go further in terms of legally or highlighting this case on every forum. I'm not sure how it works but being proactive is best.
     
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    @Wolf Pack should talk to the @Admin about having a certified title for doctor or patient advisory/representative. i.e physician


    A lot of goobers around here lately running around with Dr. Such and such in there name. Without anyone way of telling that these people are in fact who they say they are. These titles would specifically be given to those that are verified
     
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    I believe admin does run necessary checks on doctors and their patient advisers but it can be a challenge. Legit concerns Shookwun. @Roberto_72
     
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