If it's not "eating right" and "giving up bad habits", I'd like to hear what exactly you mean by "cure".
Why there will NEVER be a cure for baldness
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I believe that there are factors that make bald genetic people lose hair much earlier than normal. I'm trying to identify that factors and fix them. Sorry but if I don't get the result, I won't post my hypothesis. It's just a waste of your time and I'll get laughed at by members here. I need at least 3 more months to see if I get any process. If I succeed, I'll post everything here.
What are you dying to identify them? Are you funding a twin study?
Bro, I know your stance in this discussion. You believe that Androgenetic Alopecia is purely genetic. I respect you and your knowledge but let's agree to disagree.
- I live in a third-world country. The balding rate in my country rising very fast along with the significant change in lifestyle. To help you imagine, in the year 2000 only the upper class in my country have a TV, now nearly everyone has a smartphone. I strongly believe that there are factors that make people lose hair much earlier than normal. I think you are living in a first-world country, and you can't see that change.
- There's a study that shows identical twins have different balding rates: https://www.researchgate.net/public...igenetic_differences_in_androgenetic_alopecia. In this study they collect information like smoking and alcohol, which is IMO not the real problem.
- I don't have money, and I'm not intelligent. I experiment on myself for years to see if I change this or that, my hair condition improve or not..
Ppl have been testing stuff on themselves to cure hairloss for centuries. Give up. You will risk your health over nothing.
It seems I understand what you mean, I have already asked this question and it is quite complex and ambiguous. In theory, if we remove the aggravating factors, we could probably return some of the lost hair that should not have fallen out according to the “genetic plan” by this point and slow down the course of Androgenetic Alopecia. In practice, this is difficult to achieve, since there can be too many factors that exacerbate baldness, and the vast majority of them are also not fully understood.
@mminh Actually I don't think it's 100% genetic. It's estimated around 80% genetic in multiple studies. I think that men are going bald earlier all over the world, but there isn't any great evidence to support that opinion. Anecdotaly this seems to be happening in my country as well.
Unfortunately due to how long it takes hair to respond to changes, how slowly it grows, how hard it is to accurately notice a difference without proper equipment, and the lack of any control, I don't think you will have much luck finding a link, much less a testable hypothesis. Smoking has a small effect in twin studies, but alcohol does not. I would imagine that increased steroid use contributes, though probably not in the third world. High speed and free internet pornography has an effect imo as well. Stress is another factor. Even if you find all environmental factors and eliminate them you won't reverse your hair loss, you'll only slow it down.
Unfortunately due to how long it takes hair to respond to changes, how slowly it grows, how hard it is to accurately notice a difference without proper equipment, and the lack of any control, I don't think you will have much luck finding a link, much less a testable hypothesis. Smoking has a small effect in twin studies, but alcohol does not. I would imagine that increased steroid use contributes, though probably not in the third world. High speed and free internet pornography has an effect imo as well. Stress is another factor. Even if you find all environmental factors and eliminate them you won't reverse your hair loss, you'll only slow it down.
@Mighty I appreciate that you worry about my health. You are sensible and most likely right. But I won't give up without a fight.
@Feramon1 @pegasus2 : You are correct. It's very difficult, and even more difficult for me due to some personal reason. I've failed for years. This time I have high hope. This is the first time in years I get consistent normal shedding (more than a week now), my scalp is less greasy, less dandruff, and less itchy. Let's see if in 3 months I can regrowth some hair or not.
@Feramon1 @pegasus2 : You are correct. It's very difficult, and even more difficult for me due to some personal reason. I've failed for years. This time I have high hope. This is the first time in years I get consistent normal shedding (more than a week now), my scalp is less greasy, less dandruff, and less itchy. Let's see if in 3 months I can regrowth some hair or not.
Lately the medical world has stopped pretending that crappy western diets aren't worsening acne. Took them long enough.
I would be shocked if it wasn't also worsening hair loss. Both issues are fueled by androgenic activity & inflammation in the skin. This is staring us in the face.
My suspicion is that eating a bad diet during puberty & teens has a disproportionate effect on the degree of hair loss much later. Like the way Finasteride pays off better if you start using it during the early stages of hair loss.
I would be shocked if it wasn't also worsening hair loss. Both issues are fueled by androgenic activity & inflammation in the skin. This is staring us in the face.
My suspicion is that eating a bad diet during puberty & teens has a disproportionate effect on the degree of hair loss much later. Like the way Finasteride pays off better if you start using it during the early stages of hair loss.
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Depends on your expectations
If you’re expecting juvenile hairline and density or to fool the obsessed fellow baldies suffering from hairloss…tough luck. You won’t get that even if you’re nw2
If you want to have coverage and not look like a shiny baldie then there are plenty of good results.
This forum is generally full of neurotic people, everyday you can easily find one new person here who to an average person will seem like having a full head of hair but to him finasteride doesn’t work, minoxidil doesn’t work, must try RU, and experimentals to move the hairline down to his nose.
Finasteride is not a solution. Well, it could be a solution if you want to be castrated
Your height is 100% genetic, right?
Except that North & South Korea have basically an identical gene pool but the Northerners are several inches shorter on average. The nutrition difference is that big.
A good diet definitely won't get rid of your genetic baldness problem. But it's reasonable to think a really bad diet might worsen it a little.
(No, I DID NOT claim that improving your diet today will produce any visible hair gains.)
Except that North & South Korea have basically an identical gene pool but the Northerners are several inches shorter on average. The nutrition difference is that big.
A good diet definitely won't get rid of your genetic baldness problem. But it's reasonable to think a really bad diet might worsen it a little.
(No, I DID NOT claim that improving your diet today will produce any visible hair gains.)
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Height is considered about 80% genetic, same as hair loss. We all know how much taller Western nations have gotten over time with better nutirition, yet people think it's impossible that people are balding earlier.
Sorry I was just having a bad day and went off the rails on you lmao. Felt bad afterwards, my apologies bro
I really hope you’re taking finasteride if you’re balding. It’s a lot harder to regrow hair than to maintain them. I know you’re going to fail with what you’re trying but whatever makes you happy man
Two different things though. Apples to oranges comparison
With hairs, “some” of the fully grown healthy hair start miniaturising. With bones, there is lack of nutrients to reach full potential because bones require a lot more nutrients but hairs don’t fall out cause of lack of nutrients.
Also Caucasian men are a lot taller while Asians are on the shorter sides. When those Asians go live in west they don’t start producing taller children if they marry within their communities but when intermixing with white people occurs that’s when taller children are produced. Genetics 101
Who said anything about caucasians? South Koreans and North Koreans are genetically the same, so why is one taller than the other? It's not genetics. Their kids actually do get taller when they come to the West.
Androgenetic Alopecia: Identification of Four Genetic Risk Loci and Evidence for the Contribution of WNT Signaling to Its Etiology
The pathogenesis of androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia, male-pattern baldness) is driven by androgens, and genetic predisposition is the major prerequisite. C…
I guess we need to look at balding people who have gone into a long-term coma. This could provide some answers about the impact of stress and sex/masturbation.
That's right, surrender is the lot of the weak, but it doesn't hurt to be more careful.
I suppose hairloss will progress normally or even at an accelerated rate. Comatose patients are like those with vasectomies, they stop releasing the sperm and eventually the body starts absorbing it with macrophages etc. But the hormone levels remain high.
Early and late long-term effects of vasectomy on serum testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone levels - PubMed
Our results indirectly support the hypothesis that there is an elevated risk of prostate cancer among men who underwent vasectomy 20 or more years previously.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
If comatose patients have wet dreams ie release sperm then it could be they behave like normal people.
Most people going to coma have stress hairloss though.
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But ejaculation increases prolactin. This is the main culprit.I suppose hairloss will progress normally or even at an accelerated rate. Comatose patients are like those with vasectomies, they stop releasing the sperm and eventually the body starts absorbing it with macrophages etc. But the hormone levels remain high.
Early and late long-term effects of vasectomy on serum testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone levels - PubMed
Our results indirectly support the hypothesis that there is an elevated risk of prostate cancer among men who underwent vasectomy 20 or more years previously.
If comatose patients have wet dreams ie release sperm then it could be they behave like normal people.
Most people going to coma have stress hairloss though.