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  1. Saulus

    Saulus Established Member My Regimen

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    How much grafts per cm^2 you need to avoid such result?

    1. White guy black hair

    2. White guy blonde hair
     
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    50-60 grafts per cm^2 is the most any ethical surgeon will do in 2017, so if they're doing that many you can be sure you're getting the best density possible with a transplant

    Regardless it will not be as dense as your native hairline was, so don't go in with that expectation. You would have to regrow your native hairline for that, which might also be a possibility if you haven't yet exhausted your treatment options
     
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    Saulus Established Member My Regimen

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    Honestly whats the point

    If you look like the above its better to go bald
     
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    kj6723 Senior Member My Regimen

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    Go bald then
     
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    Saulus Established Member My Regimen

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    Its 2017 and we still cant properly and handle cure baldness

    Enraging
     
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    if there was some magic that solves this issue completely you would never seen bald guy anywhere.
    but there are lots of them, so no, there isnt...
     
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    You have to be careful, because if you go for the high density you may end up with massive problems like scalp necrosis or permanent shock loss. Both those guys look way better than a NW5.
     
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    Good question. I would agree those are not ideal cosmetic outcomes. "High density" transplantation seems like mostly a myth unless it's due to the surgeon slightly augmenting great natural hair or it's photographed under very flattering lighting.

    Both those lighting conditions you posted are highly unforgiving and very revealing.

    I'm interested in further opinions as well.
     
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    couldn't he get another transplant to make it more dense?

    Also, I don't get how sometimes on youtube, you see results where the transplanted hair looks super thick. Is it down to surgeons skill? Having a surgeon who is willing to 'dense pack'? Something else?
     
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    I know in at least one case i saw where there was just an incredible result the guy had started finasteride at the same time as his transplant, so half the result was probably a finasteride response.

    I actually think this is common too, as a lot of guys who go to surgeons are surprisingly idiots and not using finasteride at all before their surgery. So they go on finasteride, get 2000 units transplanted, and then also grow back another 3000 units of natural hair (good responders) from the finasteride, and all of a sudden a year later they have incredible hair.

    I don't know if that's ALL the cases of incredible reponse. But the more i see of transplant jobs from top surgeons on this site like bernstein, the more i realize a few thousand units on its own does not go very far.
     
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    Both those guys, with strategically placed topik, could have a fuller look.
     
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    Interesting discussion. I recently was talking about density with my surgeon the same topic. I've had a transplant with him and he's also checked for miniaturisation all over my scalp a couple of times to determine my pattern. Anyway he had some figures (based on his own experience) concerning density. He said someone with hispanic/mediterranean hair thick black hair can get away with 30% density - believe it or not - on a white scalp. That those with finer hair even if it's blonde on white skin, need 60% plus for respectable density. Huge difference. Of course you got to grow it out though.
     
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    That's almost like saying that bald guy would look okay if he put on a wig. Applying fake hair is not really a long term solution or at least it shouldn't be considered an option when discussing density. By all means real treatments are a different story.
     
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    Yeah, I think the key concept to accept when dealing with hair transplants is you are never going to be creating true density. The goal is the ILLUSION of density.

    Surgeons all max out now at 50-60 units/cm2 for safe max transplantation. I find it hard to find data on the exact average "FU density" of natural hair but I found this interesting surgeon's site. He lists some stats on some of his patients.

    For example for this hair transplant, the surgeon says it was:

    Native density: 72, 93 and 88 FU/cm2 in temporal, parietal and occipital areas
    Recipient density: 56 to 61 grafts/cm2

    So if you have high native density of around 90 FU/cm2, and you get a 55 FU/cm2 "high density" transplant, you are left with only 61% of your natural density.

    Can this create the illusion of natural hair? Perhaps. Is it the same as your natural hair? Obviously not by a long shot.

    It's actually very disappointing to consider in many ways, as there is no conceivably way to improve this even with limitless donor supply. It simply has to do with incisions, blood flow, and scalp healing.
     
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    If done correctly and naturally, it should look as thick as the rest of your hair from a distance. Look is really the key word here. Certainly won't feel as thick nor respond the same way in wet conditions or in harsh lighting. I'd say 60% density for someone with thick hair is excellent, almost like native hair. Perhaps not for those with fine hair. That's why holding onto native hair is vital even when you have calibre and donor numbers on your side. It just looks that little bit more dense and natural.
     
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    I guess the secret is to keep at least 10 feet from anyone
     
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    this commonly happens when doctors start grafting 2s at the front.

    hairline should only be single grafts
     
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    Dude, that is a terrible looking result. Sucks to know it's common
     
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    Saulus Established Member My Regimen

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    This is why keeping your hair is important

    Dont go bald
     
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