when it stop

[andrei_eremenko]

how do you realize that your hair loss has stopped? i'm 23...my hair in not falling down...but i'm thining in front....and temples...but not so much...i mean is a slow process on me no hair finding on pillow. and maximum 10-15 in shower...that's why the next year I'll do a hair implant to restore hairline

 

[Hoppi]

It depends on the person, and if you ask me it also depends on lifestyle and diet.

From what I can tell, many lifestyle factors seem to effect or even flat-out cause hair loss (particularly in young people - under 35s). But, no-one agrees with me despite all the proof xD

 

[andrei_eremenko]

ok...but could it stop ?let's say at 24?I'm not shedding at all...that's why I'm decided to take an hair implant for improving temples and hairline...anyway...after implant I'll take at least half of doze of finasteride at least 0,50 mg.

 

[s.a.f]

You'll never really know if its stopped or not. Only time will tell. But the chances aggressive hairloss suddenly stopping at a young age (without meds) are near non existent I'd say. Ignore the diet and lifestyle theory :roll: Are you sure it was'nt just a mature hairline?

 

[Bryan]

From what I can tell, many lifestyle factors seem to effect or even flat-out cause hair loss (particularly in young people - under 35s). But, no-one agrees with me despite all the proof xD

Oh no!! I must have been napping or watching a movie on HBO when you posted "all the proof" that lifestyle and diet cause hair loss! :dunno: I invite you to post "all the proof" again!

 

[andrei_eremenko]

I don't know if there's a mature hairline...a doctor says to me...to count the number hairs when I'm taking bath...so...I've barely seen 10 hairs...My only massive shed...was at right temple 3 years ago...since there...nothing...but the hair looks thinner in front...I don't know what to think...maybe I'm just thinning...slowly...I'll take the hair implant...and after that I'll try to maintain and prevent with finasteride...

 

[Hoppi]

From what I can tell, many lifestyle factors seem to effect or even flat-out cause hair loss (particularly in young people - under 35s). But, no-one agrees with me despite all the proof xD

Oh no!! I must have been napping or watching a movie on HBO when you posted "all the proof" that lifestyle and diet cause hair loss! :dunno: I invite you to post "all the proof" again!

Brains Expel Hair curing his male pattern baldness by quitting gluten, and this is an excerpt from something elsewhere:

"Thankfully I quit all that crap years ago and almost like clock-work, my hair stopped faling out so fast. Took almost 10 years to go from a NW2.5 to a NW3 where while I was masturbating/sexxing so frequently in my early 20's, I went from no hairloss to a NW2.5 in 2 years."

A little funny I know, but true! Just like all the other stories you hear like it

But, it doesn't fit in with the "finasteride is the only cure" view, does it? :innocent:

Plus, I am sure I am still experiencing regrowth, and all I am concentrating on is my lifestyle and diet. It IS early to call for me though, but my friends agree with me my hairline appears to be improving!

Obviously though I would only recommend this approach if someone was clearly doing things wrong, such as excessive drinking, or had an obvious problem like hypothyroidism. If there are no obvious problems, then this approach is less likely to work, but there may still be hope.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

Oh no!! I must have been napping or watching a movie on HBO when you posted "all the proof" that lifestyle and diet cause hair loss! :dunno: I invite you to post "all the proof" again!

Dear lord! I must have been in a K-hole when you posted "all the proof" that diet and lifestyle have absolutely no effect on hair loss! I invite you to post "all the proof" again.

Anyways, if you wake up to no hairs on your pillows, no hair in the shower, no hair on your work desk, no hair in your comb and no hair after vigorous rubbing over a white piece of paper then it's a pretty good bet that your hair loss is at least in remission.

 

[s.a.f]

Conclusive evidence I'd say !!! :woot:

 

[Hoppi]

I can't force anyone to accept this stuff all I can do is keep quoting it and keep giving examples. I will gradually accumulate more and more and hopefully add myself to them soon too!

And Seaback yes as I understand (most of these people such as Brains Expel Hair DO know what they're talking about) these cases were all male pattern baldness. What people don't seem to understand is that there are many ways to, for example, raise one's DHT, testosterone, or inflammation, to levels that are not tolerable by your scalp's hair follicles. This then can cause or worsen male pattern hair loss. Not everyone with male pattern baldness has healthy or even normal levels of DHT, T or inflammation in their bodies, and I feel that correcting these (or ensuring they are correct) should be the first action in the fight against hair loss, particularly if they are showing signs of hormonal imbalance, sensitivities, inflammation etc.

The problem really comes however if your follicles are reacting and shedding even when exposed to relatively low DHT, T or inflammation, as then further measures must be taken to protect them, such as, yes, the big 3. I don't feel though that there is any need to further protect follicles that can withstand healthy hormonal and inflammation levels, except with possibly nutrients, antioxidants etc to ensure they don't become weak in the future, but even this I feel is merely precautionary.

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

It's a pretty good bet that your hair loss is not related to androgen. Thus, you do not belong to this forum. Feel free to leave. As soon as possible would be perfect.

The man discussing his hair loss does not belong in the "Men's General Hair Loss Discussions" forum? Feel free to stop sniffing glue. As soon as possible would be perfect.

Seeing as how you have absolutely no clue of what the actual cause of male pattern baldness is it's kinda foolish to assume you know all of what it isn't.

 

[Hoppi]

Well Brains I think the point seaback was trying to make is that he doesn't believe your hair loss was male pattern baldness, and therefore the point about gluten allergies is moot.

However much like I said in my post, chances are the gluten was increasing your insulin and inflammation, throwing off your sex hormones, increasing your DHT and leaving the inflamed follicles more susceptible to it (possibly/probably amongst other things). True?

 

[Brains Expel Hair]

My comment is valid no matter what his point was. But yes, the gluten wreaks havoc on insulin systems (at least a quarter of diabetics have gluten issues) and frequently causes inflammation (often seen first in increases in allergies and asthma).

 

[abcdefg]

Im still not sold on experts saying a mature hairline is not male pattern baldness. I mean it sounds like a cop out because 1 hair that has miniaturized sounds exactly like the definition of male pattern baldness to me. I mean I dont understand how a Norwood 7 is not just a hairline that has matured farther then a mature hairline. Hair loss is hair loss regardless of how far along it goes because some men and women never get mature hairlines so that whole idea sounds wrong to me but experts push that some hair loss is just normal but more hair loss is then a problem?
To be honest I really wonder sometimes about how much doctors and supposed experts really know especially in areas like hair loss and other smaller niche areas like that. I think the problem is a general physician has too many things to know and never really becomes an expert in any of them in the way an optometrist becomes an expert solely in say vision and the eye. The eye doctor knows that area inside and out generally while doctors are surprisingly ignorant on certain areas and more knowledgeable in others.

Anyone that says someone's hairloss is not androgen related is most likely wrong and should stop posting. If 95 percent or most cases are male pattern baldness then most of them are caused by androgens so saying its not male pattern baldness is statistically wrong so its kind of dumb to assume anything but androgen related hairloss no matter how far along it is.

 

[andrei_eremenko]

ok...guys...I didn't imagine that u're starting to argue...here a bit...but my question was how do we know when the hairloss has stopped? but I think you'll never now...

 

[Hoppi]

Im still not sold on experts saying a mature hairline is not male pattern baldness. I mean it sounds like a cop out

it is.

because 1 hair that has miniaturized sounds exactly like the definition of male pattern baldness to me. I mean I dont understand how a Norwood 7 is not just a hairline that has matured farther then a mature hairline. Hair loss is hair loss regardless of how far along it goes because some men and women never get mature hairlines so that whole idea sounds wrong to me but experts push that some hair loss is just normal but more hair loss is then a problem?

exactly!

To be honest I really wonder sometimes about how much doctors and supposed experts really know especially in areas like hair loss and other smaller niche areas like that.

next to bloody nothing >.< lol

I think the problem is a general physician has too many things to know and never really becomes an expert in any of them in the way an optometrist becomes an expert solely in say vision and the eye. The eye doctor knows that area inside and out generally while doctors are surprisingly ignorant on certain areas and more knowledgeable in others.

Yeah totally! That's what I thought too!

Anyone that says someone's hairloss is not androgen related is most likely wrong and should stop posting. If 95 percent or most cases are male pattern baldness then most of them are caused by androgens so saying its not male pattern baldness is statistically wrong so its kind of dumb to assume anything but androgen related hairloss no matter how far along it is.

Well kind of although you do get a fair number of guys on here with forms of hair loss that don't seem to be androgen-triggered... although I guess in many cases it could just be an unusual diffuse thinning kind of "pattern". But yeah male pattern hair loss is largely androgens, but seems to also be affected by inflammation and other factors, so I think treating one without the others for someone very passionate about keeping their hair is a little silly, it may even explain why finasteride struggles to work for everyone with male pattern baldness.



And yes andrei_eremenko sorry! hehe Answer... it's very hard to know. Very, very hard to know. It depends on follicle sensitivity, how many follicles are affected, androgen levels, inflammation levels, etc - how often you drink, how often you even have sex if you ask me lol, it depends on a million things! heh

Does it SEEM to have stopped?

 

[Vanzzzz]

I am quite interested to know when hair loss has stopped as well. When I comb my hair, usually only about 4 hair drop out. Shower about 30-40. Total I think I shed about 50-70 hair a day.

This number seems to be normal but my temple has become rather thin although there was not much difference in a 9 months period, and the hair at the temple are quite long, at least 4-5 inches, though some are very thin and look miniaturized.

Also, apart from the temple, the rest of my hair is very thick. However, I am going to see a derm tomorrow to diagnose the condition that I have.

 

[uncomfortable man]

I remember an ex-coworker who was well into his forties and only the front quarter of the top of his head was bald. Everywhere else was thick as hell. I kinda envied the fact that his hairloss had just halted at that point and never progressed any further. I chalk it up to genetics. I think that one's follicle sensitivity to DHT is genetically predetermined and therefore can not be changed or corrected with diet/lifestyle choices after the fact. I can't change the color of my eyes or my ethnicity by cutting certain things out of my diet.

 

[s.a.f]

It depends on follicle sensitivity, how many follicles are affected, androgen levels, inflammation levels, etc - how often you drink, how often you even have sex if you ask me lol, it depends on a million things! heh

You're going to have a fun life.

 

[Nene]

It depends on follicle sensitivity, how many follicles are affected, androgen levels, inflammation levels, etc - how often you drink, how often you even have sex if you ask me lol, it depends on a million things! heh

You're going to have a fun life.

But he'll have all his hair! :whistle:

Brains expel hair, if a diet change stopped your hair loss, then it is not androgenic alopecia, it's that simple.

The idea that less sex can stop hair loss is so ridiculous and should be left in the 19th century where it originated.

The people who believe these theories A - don't have male pattern baldness and have tricked themselves into thinking they did have it, but cured it with a diet or B - are in the very early stages of hair loss and have not accepted the fact that how much hair they will lose is written in their genese like the color of their eyes. They are looking for something to give them hope. Trust me hoppi, when/if you start to really lose hair, all you're ridiculous diets and theories will go straight out the window. The rest of us find it offensive when you imply that we are losing our hair because of our diets.