Whats the best topical DHT inihibitor for diffuse thinning

[Dblbass128]

Guess this is for the pros, I use minoxidil 5% twice a day and take some vitamins and natural sh*t at this time. I dont like the fact of being on a pharmaceautical every day for yrs to come so I am looking for an alternative. I mean is there anything that really works through the scalp? I read a lot on this site and the information many of you provide is priceless. I have just noticed diffuse thinning 6 months ago and I want to grow some back (hence minoxidil) but I would also like to stop the male pattern baldness process or halt it at least until Im too old and fat to give a sh*t about my hair. Im 26, and would like to keep some hair for the next decade or two. Whats the dilly yo?

-DB

 

[Dblbass128]

One more question, maybe for College, are there solutions that contain minoxidil and dht inhibitor(s)?

That would make my life a lot easier

Thanks

-DB

 

[Dblbass128]

I have one more question, I know Im a loser three posts in this thread and they are all from me...but anyways, grean tea extract added to minoxidil? Did a lot of reading on it and saw College thought it may do some damage

WOuld be convinient, would anyone here vowge for that form of treatment?

-DB

 

[Guest]

just take finasteride. im sorry but it really is that simple.

if you like your hair then you'll like the idea of being on a pharmaceutical for years to come. if you don't then you can experiment with other stuff and maybe continue to lose. then perhaps you'll wish that you'd just followed the general advice here and gotten on finasteride.

 

[bolshy]

Jayman,

That's a gross over simplification of the finasteride issue.

Some people are left with a smashing set of breats and a penis only fit for pissing...so dont be too keen to insist that everyone takes it.

Personally, I can't tolerate it and I was lucky to have my gyno reversed, others are not so lucky

 

[Dblbass128]

just take finasteride. im sorry but it really is that simple.

if you like your hair then you'll like the idea of being on a pharmaceutical for years to come. if you don't then you can experiment with other stuff and maybe continue to lose. then perhaps you'll wish that you'd just followed the general advice here and gotten on finasteride.

do u work for merk?

 

[Dblbass128]

Jayman,

That's a gross over simplification of the finasteride issue.

Some people are left with a smashing set of breats and a penis only fit for pissing...so dont be too keen to insist that everyone takes it.

Personally, I can't tolerate it and I was lucky to have my gyno reversed, others are not so lucky

typically what i am looking to avoid, eff that sh*t

 

[Guest]

just take finasteride. im sorry but it really is that simple.

if you like your hair then you'll like the idea of being on a pharmaceutical for years to come. if you don't then you can experiment with other stuff and maybe continue to lose. then perhaps you'll wish that you'd just followed the general advice here and gotten on finasteride.

do u work for merk?

no. do you work for avacor? i'm not even on finasteride. i'm on avodart which is made by glaxo smith kline. and i don't own stock in either company so i have nothing to gain by advising more people to take finasteride. i advised you to take it because i want you to keep your hair. but if you don't care then fine. just go bald with your natural regimen because you were too scared to take a chance.

 

[Guest]

Jayman,

That's a gross over simplification of the finasteride issue.

Some people are left with a smashing set of breats and a penis only fit for pissing...so dont be too keen to insist that everyone takes it.

Personally, I can't tolerate it and I was lucky to have my gyno reversed, others are not so lucky

signs of gyno should have manifested themselves early. breasts don't grow overnight. if you ignore the signs and stayed on them then that is not my problem.

 

[Felk]

finasteride isn't for everyone, tis a fact JayMan.

Im determined to be a responder to finasteride (hence being on my fourth attempt to take it now) but I'm getting the signs of weird heart pain again, so Ill probably have to drop it. However, I'll probably just use dutasteride because I believe internals are so important, but that's just me

Anyway in advice for the original poster, diffuse thinning is hard to treat with topicals because you need to apply to a large area. It's easier if you have short hair, however.

I'd first like to urge you to consider finasteride, because it really is the best treatment there is for hair loss today. If you're dead set against it here's my advice for you.

Everyone's best bet against androgenic alopecia is a multi-angled treatment approach, inhibitting DHT and stimulating growth in as many ways as possible. For most people, they just take finasteride and use minoxidil and/or a copper peptide, but if you can't take finasteride things get more complicated (as I found out when i researched this after quitting finasteride a while ago) The following is my opinion of the successful topical-only regimen.

You will not only need to address your hair loss in a variety of different like everyone else, you will also need to attack DHT in different ways, because topicals are less likely to be successful. Your options for this

spironolactone - quite cheap, even cheaper if you mix your own, proven as a topically effective anti-androgen in hirsutism, acne and one hair loss study. Works only where is is applied, no side effects have ever been reported when used topically. However one study found only the cream version worked, and this version might be hard to apply to your whole head. Needs to be used twice a day.
Fluridil - expensive, the only study was done by the makers of fluridil, and needs to be applied to a completely dry scalp otherwise it degrades. It's good for diffuse thinners however, because it's a liquid and you use 2ml of the stuff each day.
Flutamide - dangerous, only works through systematic absorbtion, stay away
RU - most powerful antiandrogen there is, no systematic absorbtion or side effects have ever been reported, and reduces androgens where it's applied to castration levels. The results from the studies on this are amazing, really. Now the downside - no one makes it as a product really All you can do is import the raw chemical from China, at great expense, and mix your own. If you use the main recipe and use 2ml a day its about $100 a month, $50 if you use 1ml.
Revivogen - unproven, can be somewhat expensive, but uses Free Fatty Acids which is a different approach to antiandrogens like spironolactone or the others. Using free fatty acids against DHT has been proven. Also you get 2ml to use each day, so would be good for diffusers. Could be cheaper if you only need to use 1ml.

On top of using one or more of these things (unless you use RU i'd recommend using at least 2 to be safe) I'd definately add a copper peptide to your regimen. Cheap, and easy to use, everyone should use them

I'd also look into http://www.drproctor.com Prox-n I would recommend as it contains both copper peptides and NANO growth stimulants. If money is no issue I'd recommend proxiphen.

Good luck!

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Jayman,

That's a gross over simplification of the finasteride issue.

Some people are left with a smashing set of breats and a penis only fit for pissing...so dont be too keen to insist that everyone takes it.

Personally, I can't tolerate it and I was lucky to have my gyno reversed, others are not so lucky

signs of gyno should have manifested themselves early. breasts don't grow overnight. if you ignore the signs and stayed on them then that is not my problem.

Jayman, I cannot believe that they are attacking you for giving them sound advice! I wonder why some people even ask for advice. People are worried about side effects when it happens to a max of what, 4% of people? That's 1/25 folks. And in almost all cases, the side effects stop after taking the medication

Sure you can get gyno, but it's usually noticed before it becomes a problem. I'm not sure what the chances are of getting into an automobile accident, but I'm thinking that a lot of you here probably shouldn't be driving vehicles, or walking for that matter.

If you don't want to take finasteride or dutasteride, don't take them, but they are your best shot at maintaining your hair. How many drugs does the FDA approve and then later recalls? Hardly any!

You do what you want, but I would try finasteride, and THEN if I get side effects, look for other things. Do not accuse Jayman of working for a company when you ask him for advice. He knows a good deal about hairloss, what works and what doesn't.

Felk has some good advice too.

 

[bubka]

hey, i agree what JayMan said, if you want advice, get on finasteride, i mean, its one of the few options that actually prevent and reverse male pattern baldness by action on the root cause

 

[Nathaniel]

You do what you want, but I would try finasteride, and THEN if I get side effects, look for other things. Do not accuse Jayman of working for a company when you ask him for advice. He knows a good deal about hairloss, what works and what doesn't.
.

I agree with TAINTED-MEAT and Jayman. Before you even start condemning dht inhibitors you should at least try them.

If you are serious about your hairloss you have to take some chances and YES you will probably have to take a pill for the rest of your life. Same with minoxidil, or any other topical or known treatment, you'll have to continue applying it. If not, you'll go bald. As simple as that. Become a slave of treatments, or be bald or bald faster. The choice is yours.

 

[Guest]

Jayman, I cannot believe that they are attacking you for giving them sound advice!

some people just can't be explained. when i tell people to get on finasteride i get accused of working for merck. when i tell people that braking in front of tailgaters is dangerous and puts other people's lives in danger then i get called a tool.

 

[Dblbass128]

Jayman, I cannot believe that they are attacking you for giving them sound advice!

some people just can't be explained. when i tell people to get on finasteride i get accused of working for merck. when i tell people that braking in front of tailgaters is dangerous and puts other people's lives in danger then i get called a tool.

I didnt mean to come off like I was attacking you, thanks for the advice its appreciated, I was just busting balls

-DB

 

[Dblbass128]

finasteride isn't for everyone, tis a fact JayMan.

Im determined to be a responder to finasteride (hence being on my fourth attempt to take it now) but I'm getting the signs of weird heart pain again, so Ill probably have to drop it. However, I'll probably just use dutasteride because I believe internals are so important, but that's just me

Anyway in advice for the original poster, diffuse thinning is hard to treat with topicals because you need to apply to a large area. It's easier if you have short hair, however.

I'd first like to urge you to consider finasteride, because it really is the best treatment there is for hair loss today. If you're dead set against it here's my advice for you.

Everyone's best bet against androgenic alopecia is a multi-angled treatment approach, inhibitting DHT and stimulating growth in as many ways as possible. For most people, they just take finasteride and use minoxidil and/or a copper peptide, but if you can't take finasteride things get more complicated (as I found out when i researched this after quitting finasteride a while ago) The following is my opinion of the successful topical-only regimen.

You will not only need to address your hair loss in a variety of different like everyone else, you will also need to attack DHT in different ways, because topicals are less likely to be successful. Your options for this

spironolactone - quite cheap, even cheaper if you mix your own, proven as a topically effective anti-androgen in hirsutism, acne and one hair loss study. Works only where is is applied, no side effects have ever been reported when used topically. However one study found only the cream version worked, and this version might be hard to apply to your whole head. Needs to be used twice a day.
Fluridil - expensive, the only study was done by the makers of fluridil, and needs to be applied to a completely dry scalp otherwise it degrades. It's good for diffuse thinners however, because it's a liquid and you use 2ml of the stuff each day.
Flutamide - dangerous, only works through systematic absorbtion, stay away
RU - most powerful antiandrogen there is, no systematic absorbtion or side effects have ever been reported, and reduces androgens where it's applied to castration levels. The results from the studies on this are amazing, really. Now the downside - no one makes it as a product really All you can do is import the raw chemical from China, at great expense, and mix your own. If you use the main recipe and use 2ml a day its about $100 a month, $50 if you use 1ml.
Revivogen - unproven, can be somewhat expensive, but uses Free Fatty Acids which is a different approach to antiandrogens like spironolactone or the others. Using free fatty acids against DHT has been proven. Also you get 2ml to use each day, so would be good for diffusers. Could be cheaper if you only need to use 1ml.

On top of using one or more of these things (unless you use RU i'd recommend using at least 2 to be safe) I'd definately add a copper peptide to your regimen. Cheap, and easy to use, everyone should use them

I'd also look into http://www.drproctor.com Prox-n I would recommend as it contains both copper peptides and NANO growth stimulants. If money is no issue I'd recommend proxiphen.

Good luck!

That is sound advice, Ive read up on some of those, good information. Right now Im using Monix 5 % twice a day, kind of a pain in the *** in the morning, spironolactone would suck on my head because I have a lot of hair, just started noticing the entire top has thinned out. RU would be nice, then agian, Ill probably burn my house down mixing it. Are copper peptides needed when using minoxidil? I know the copper helps regrowth, but my next approach is to stop DHT or lower in my scalp. Does Xandrox do anything for DHT, or is that a bunch of sh*t?

Thanks

-DB

 

[Guest]

Does Xandrox do anything for DHT, or is that a bunch of $#iT?

Thanks

-DB

try it and decide,but prepare to lose your hair. because xandrox has never been proven to inhibit dht like dr lee claims.

 

[Dblbass128]

Does Xandrox do anything for DHT, or is that a bunch of $#iT?

Thanks

-DB

try it and decide,but prepare to lose your hair. because xandrox has never been proven to inhibit dht like dr lee claims.

That doesnt sound too promising

Eff that

 

[Thinning fast]

Jayman is 100% correct. If you're not on dht internal inhibitors, (finasteride, duta) be prepared for male pattern baldness to progress at the speed it's at now or even faster. This is the sad reality. I hate taking finasteride, but without it I'd probably be a Norwood 5 right now not a norwood 3.

 

[Dblbass128]

So what you guys are saying is that there are no alternatives to internal pharmaceauticals, nothing external works? What about all the sh*t College and Bryan post about when it comes to topicals? I work out, body build whatever, and wont risk f*****g with my testosterone, I like my sex drive, so its not worth it to me. Does everyone agree that finasteride is (or dutasteride)the only solution, because thats not what I have been seeing from most of the posts in here.

-DB