What the hell does age have to do with hairloss?

Healthy Nick

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Seriously. What triggers hairloss at certain ages? What's the reason? Can someone try to explain?

I just don't get it. somebody should research this extensively.
 
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Its genetics. Everyone on both sides of my family started losing their hair around age 17.

My dad started losing his hair at 17 and now he is 58 and probley like a NW3.

Its wierd, and some guys can start losing their hair way later like 32 and end up going completly bald even though they had better hair much longer.
 
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But mainly its genetics, your hormones and immune system change constantly.

I have arthritis in my knee which is an auto immune diesies and it just happened suddenly. My doctor was telling my that my immune system always changes and that my immune system a year ago was like a different person then. Your hormones and body is always changing.
 

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There is an obvious relation between age and hairloss that needs to be studied. If we could prevent older people from losing their hair, then we could find out what makes young people lose their hair. If we could take an individual, and monitor his blood his entire life, and see the specific changes in him, we could see what those exact changes were and how they affected his hairloss. Then we could study how to reverse the changes and make him the way he was when he was younger, which would stop his hairloss.

Hairloss doesn't just "come". There are specific reasons.
 
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Healthy Nick said:
There is an obvious relation between age and hairloss that needs to be studied. If we could prevent older people from losing their hair, then we could find out what makes young people lose their hair. If we could take an individual, and monitor his blood his entire life, and see the specific changes in him, we could see what those exact changes were and how they affected his hairloss. Then we could study how to reverse the changes and make him the way he was when he was younger, which would stop his hairloss.

Hairloss doesn't just "come". There are specific reasons.

Actually you make a good point. I am of the opinion that the long slow hair loss of old age is actually driven by diff things than the male pattern baldness of a 25 yr. old.

Some have suggested estrogen increases that many older men seem to get. Others indict environmental estrogens, or some both factors.
 

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in the old days people would start losing their hair at the 30s. nowadays they're losing it really young. i started losing it at 22. i'm 25 now. i'm able to conceal it, but it's getting harder and harder to everyday. it would be great to wake up and have hair like i used to. too bad there won't be a cure in my lifetime. if there is it's at least 15 years away because of tests , etc.. not to mention it'll probably cost in the thousands. i just hope i can pull off the shaved head when the time comes. i dread the day people look at me and say "wow, you're bald now"
 
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hopewas said:
in the old days people would start losing their hair at the 30s. nowadays they're losing it really young. i started losing it at 22. i'm 25 now. i'm able to conceal it, but it's getting harder and harder to everyday. it would be great to wake up and have hair like i used to. too bad there won't be a cure in my lifetime. if there is it's at least 15 years away because of tests , etc.. not to mention it'll probably cost in the thousands. i just hope i can pull off the shaved head when the time comes. i dread the day people look at me and say "wow, you're bald now"

The good news is that the shaved head is considered a real alternative now. That was not really true back in the 80s etc.

Also, I do think the hair cloning thing is going to be the real deal and it is just a timing and cost issue.

Lets all pray at once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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if hormones and immune system change constantly, does this mean u could lose hair from say age 17-20 and then not b affected ever after that?
 
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Article about environmental estrogens and there impact on male functioning.


An updated review of environmental estrogen and androgen mimics and antagonists.

Sonnenschein C, Soto AM.

Tufts University School of Medicine, Department of Anatomy and Cellular Biology, Boston, MA 02111, USA. csonnenschein@infonet.tufts.edu

For the last 40 y, substantial evidence has surfaced on the hormone-like effects of environmental chemicals such as pesticides and industrial chemicals in wildlife and humans. The endocrine and reproductive effects of these chemicals are believed to be due to their ability to: (1) mimic the effect of endogenous hormones, (2) antagonize the effect of endogenous hormones, (3) disrupt the synthesis and metabolism of endogenous hormones, and (4) disrupt the synthesis and metabolism of hormone receptors. The discovery of hormone-like activity of these chemicals occurred long after they were released into the environment. Aviation crop dusters handling DDT were found to have reduced sperm counts, and workers at a plant producing the insecticide kepone were reported to have lost their libido, became impotent and had low sperm counts. Subsequently, experiments conducted in lab animals demonstrated unambiguously the estrogenic activity of these pesticides. Man-made compounds used in the manufacture of plastics were accidentally found to be estrogenic because they fouled experiments conducted in laboratories studying natural estrogens. For example, polystyrene tubes released nonylphenol, and polycarbonate flasks released bisphenol-A. Alkylphenols are used in the synthesis of detergents (alkylphenol polyethoxylates) and as antioxidants. These detergents are not estrogenic; however, upon degradation during sewage treatment they may release estrogenic alkylphenols. The surfactant nonoxynol is used as intravaginal spermicide and condom lubricant. When administered to lab animals it is metabolized to free nonylphenol. Bisphenol-A was found to contaminate the contents of canned foods; these tin cans are lined with lacquers such as polycarbonate. Bisphenol-A is also used in dental sealants and composites. We found that this estrogen leaches from the treated teeth into saliva; up to 950 microg of bisphenol-A were retrieved from saliva collected during the first hour after polymerization. Other xenoestrogens recently identified among chemicals used in large volumes are the plastizicers benzylbutylphthalate, dibutylphthalate, the antioxidant butylhydroxyanisole, the rubber additive p-phenylphenol and the disinfectant o-phenylphenol. These compounds act cumulatively. In fact, feminized male fish were found near sewage outlets in several rivers in the U.K.; a mixture of chemicals including alkyl phenols resulting from degradation of detergents during sewage treatment seemed to be the causal agent. Estrogen mimics are just a class of endocrine disruptors. Recent studies identified antiandrogenic activity in environmental chemicals such as vinclozolin, a fungicide, and DDE, and insecticide. Moreover, a single chemical may produce neurotoxic, estrogenic and antiandrogenic effects. It has been hypothesized that endocrine disruptors may play a role in the decrease in the quantity and quality of human semen during the last 50 y, as well as in the increased incidence of testicular cancer and cryptorchidism in males and breast cancer incidence in both females and males in the industrialized word. To explore this hypothesis it is necessary to identify putative causal agents by the systematic screening of environmental chemicals and chemicals present in human foods to assess their ability to disrupt the endocrine system. In addition, it will be necessary to develop methods to measure cumulative exposure to (a) estrogen mimics, (b) antiandrogens, and (c) other disruptors.

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YoungGuy17 said:
Its wierd, and some guys can start losing their hair way later like 32 and end up going completly bald even though they had better hair much longer.

Yes. Life IS a b**ch, as i fall into this catagory. I always had great hair during my teens and 20's. Once i got to 31, my hair started disappearing, as if overnight.

I didnt even have time catch the warning signs. It was hair one day, the next gone! It sucks because I ddint get the chance to enjoy those final months. Sounds weird but its the truth.
 
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I am conducting some research on environmental and dietary estorgens in the male diet. I will post if it is not a dead end.
 
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Healthy Nick said:
Good idea. There DEFINITLY has to be a relation.

Actually the data I have pulled together so far is wigging me out a bit.

Here is a tip--

I would stay way away from ingesting soy products.

More to come.
 
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More on soy

October – December 2001 No Greater Joy

Soy Alert by Debi Pearl

This past month a dear friend of mine called with the disturbing news that she had estrogen receptive breast cancer. She asked, “What do you know that could help me?†I knew nothing, so I got busy on the web trying to find everything I could on the subject. I found more than I could have imagined.

In the course of my research, I discovered that I had been swallowing a lot of propaganda. If you say something loud enough, often enough, and convincingly enough you can make anyone believe anything you say. The commercial side of the health food industry in America has vigorously promoted soy products and additives, turning a deaf ear to research that should throw up red flags. While other countries have acknowledged the potential danger and taken steps to warn their citizenry, powerful, rich concerns in this country have not admitted the problem.

Soybeans! Healthy, right? Full of vitamins? Full of protein? Yes, everyone knows that. Not according to new research. It is common knowledge that soybeans are loaded with plant compounds that mimic estrogen, a female hormone. Many post menopausal women use soy products to help control hot flashes and other problems caused by hormonal imbalances. And soy is very effective in supplying the hormones needed! Think about it. If soy products supply sufficient hormones to balance out older women, what are they doing to newborn babies fed soy formula? What is this female hormone doing to men who have a constant diet of tofu and soy milk? What about younger women who already have a full supply of estrogen; how does a diet of estrogen rich soy affect them? Research is now strongly pointing to some very disturbing facts. I have summarized many studies and reports and have tried to give a brief outline of the increasing volume of research now being done.

Some studies on the effects of soy products on humans have been in progress 40 years. They are now examining the brain tissue of the deceased. There are many recent studies done on animals. They noticed that birds fed soy developed their adult plumage at 2 months instead of the normal 18 months. At first this was a real plus because the young chicks could be marketed better with their full adult color. Then they noticed that the early maturing, soy-fed birds aged prematurely and died young. This caused much consternation among bird handlers, for they also noticed a great increase in growth disorders, thyroid problems, infertility, and tumor growth.

This was a wake-up call. People were asking, “If soy does this to birds, what is it doing to us?†National health agencies and physician associations of some countries have warned their populace to exercise caution in using soy based infant formulas. In the U. S. two of the Federal Drug Administration’s own researchers, Daniel Doerge and Daniel Sheehan, have stepped forward to protest their own agency’s allowance of health claim labeling regarding the effects of soy protein on coronary health. In a letter to the FDA, they cite their deep disturbance over potential risk to the public by the FDA’s failure to require that the same safeguards be put in place for soy use as for estrogenic (prescribed hormone substances) and goitrogenic drugs (thyroid medication), i.e., that people be informed of the risks and be under a physician’s care while using it.
Our Babies

Preliminary studies are indicating that children given soy formula go through puberty much earlier than children who were not fed soy products. Why? Because the phytoestrogens/ isoflavones in soy act like a hormone in the body, causing the infant to have hormones like the adult body. A 1994 study done in New Zealand revealed that, depending on age, potency of the product, and feeding methods, infants on soy formula might be consuming the equivalent of up to 10 contraceptive pills a day. By exposing your baby to such large amounts of hormonal-like substance, you are risking permanent endocrine system damage (pituitary gland, pineal gland, hypothalamus, thyroid, thymus gland, pancreas, ovary, testis, adrenal glands). Phytoestrogens (substance in soy) are now strongly implicated, through research, in thyroid disorders, behavioral and developmental disorders and cancer. Thyroid problems are now in epidemic proportions. Theodore Kay of the Kyoto University Faculty of Medicine noted in 1988 that “thyroid enlargement in rats and humans, especially children and women, fed with soybeans has been known for half a century.†Recent research leaves little doubt that dietary isoflavones in soy have a profound effect on thyroid function in humans. If you were fed a soy formula or soy products and suffer from a thyroid disorder, contact http://www.soyonline-service.co.nz/thyroid.htm for help.
Little Boys

“Early puberty (caused by consuming soy products) may increase a boy’s chances of developing testicular cancer later in life, because it means longer exposure to sex hormones,†said University of North Carolina researcher Marcia Herman-Giddens. Congenital abnormalities of male genital tracts are also increasing. Recent studies found a higher incidence of birth defects in male offspring of vegetarian, soy-consuming mothers.

The hormone issue is not the only concern. Research now in progress strongly ties aggressive behavioral problems in children to soy. Soy formula has manganese levels that are 50 times higher than the level found in mother’s breast milk. Research is now showing that high levels of manganese found in soy beverages may be neurotoxic to babies, causing brain damage. These studies suggest a correlation to the dramatic increase in ADHD and violent behavior seen in adolescents today. The website: http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200106252.shtml reviews a study of unusually high manganese levels found in the hair of hyperactive children and youths convicted of felony crimes. Manganese is a trace metal that is essential for life, but when it is on overload it becomes “manganese-toxicity syndrome.†If I had a child who was a soy child and showed signs of aggressive behavior, I would study oral chelation to see if the manganese levels could be removed naturally.

Allergies are a growing concern. Soy is one of the most allergenic foods in modern diets. It is reported in several research reports to contain at least 30 allergenic proteins. Many of our prepared foods from MSG to crackers and cookies, to frozen fish sticks, and TV dinners, to drinks and most everything in between contain soy. Many soy products are listed as natural ingredients or natural flavorings. Health authorities in other countries are taking products off the markets until they are clearly labeled due to the wide spread allergic reactions to soy. Does your child have asthma? If so, then it is time for you to do your own homework and find out what can be done to clean up your family’s diet.
Little Girls

We regularly get letters from parents that are shocked and horrified to have discovered that their babies, as young as 18 months, are, without doubt, masturbating. It is a shocking but growing phenomenon. Some of the problems are associated with small children clutching vibrating toys, but not in all cases. Yet, there must be a predisposing prompted by hormones. Could it be caused by the hormone element in soy formula? It is becoming clear that our little girls’ hormonal levels are being elevated at a very young age by the health food we eat! Soy-formula provides a hormone level at least 240 times higher than breast milk.

In 1982 pediatric endocrinologists reported that their studies indicated an increase in the incidence of breast development in girls younger than eight years of age. In the first study of 130 little girls, 68% of them had the onset of thelarche (breast development) before they were 18 months old! Investigators found a positive statistical association between thelarche and the consumption of soy formulas (affecting 22 girls), various meat products (affecting 10 girls) and the mother’s history of ovarian cysts (affecting 16 girls). For years, health food gurus have been blaming hormone fed chickens (chickens fed soy) for our early puberty problems, but they remained silent about the hormones we have been eating in the vast number of soy products!

Little girls that go through puberty early face a greater lifetime risk of breast cancer and early ovarian cysts, which is a factor in ovarian cancer and of developing autoimmune thyroid disease (ATD).
Younger Women

Over the years I have known women of childbearing age who guarded their diets, were in excellent health, did not have a family history of breast cancer, and yet came down with breast cancer and died. Why? What was the common factor in these women? You will be shocked to learn that phyto-estrogen compounds found in soy may actually increase the risk of breast cancer. Dr. Claude Hughes, director of the Women’s Health Center at Cedar-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles said of chemicals found in soy, “It can speed up divisions of those cells that are already cancer cells that depend on estrogen for their growth.â€

Chanfeng Wang and Mindy S. Kurzer, who wrote Phytoestrogen Concentration Determines Effects of DNA Synthesis in Human Breast Cancer Cells say, “Our data suggests the possibility that, at typical concentrations in humans, phytoestrogens and flavonoids and lignans may stimulate, rather than inhibit, growth of estrogen-dependant tumors.â€

It is important to understand that it is not uncommon for hormonally active agents to act as both estrogens and anti-estrogens, to stimulate or inhibit the growth of certain types of cells, such as those found in the human breast. The difference lies in doses and life stages. It is a double-edged sword. Risks may greatly outweigh the benefits. Research strongly suggests that younger women need to use soy products with care and not upset the natural estrogen levels with an overload from an outside source.

Two glasses of soy milk a day, over the course of a month, contains enough of the chemical to change the timing of a woman’s menstrual cycle. Many women of child-bearing age are having terrible mood swings, depression, and they experience monthly PMS. Could these women be playing havoc with their hormones by what they are eating? We already know that women on birth-control pills are known to have more volatile emotions due to the hormonal upset. Just 100 gm of any soy product has the estrogenic content of a contraceptive pill.
And OUR MEN? A Half Helping of a Man?

What are phytoestrogens doing to the men? Researcher, W. David Kubiak reports that “...because female hormones or estrogen given to men in small quantities can quickly overwhelm androgen activity, and soy produces estrogen molecules in biologically significant amounts, it might be inferred that a steady diet of miso, tofu, soy sauce, and so on might not be best for leadership trainees or aspiring Lotharios (lovers).â€

Researchers believe that the trend toward lower male fertility may be due to environmental estrogens, including the soy phytoestrogens. There is strong evidence that soy phytoestrogens inhibit an enzyme which is required for the synthesis of testosterone and the development of the CNS-gonadal axis. Much research is now being done to determine the effects of soy on male animals (even male insects) of all sorts. Research with animals and insects from the grasshopper to the cheetah, are showing that soy affects males by making them less confident, less aggressive, indecisive, show less sexual interest, lower sperm count and in some studies less everything male. Research on humans is slow (years), but the short-term studies on men are showing the information obtained through animal life spans correlate with what is happening in human research. A Half Helping of Man? Research sure looks that way. I am sorry for all the soy products I tried to shove down my husband’s and sons’ throats and thankful they were ‘male-stubborn’ and refused my “health food.â€
Old, Old, Old Men and getting older with each serving of tofu eaten

The longest study on soy products began in Hawaii in 1965 with 8,006 Japanese-American men. It questioned the men about 27 foods and drinks. Over the years the men were monitored, questioned, and studied. The study shows a significant statistical relationship between two or more servings of tofu a week and “accelerated brain aging†and even an association with Alzheimer’s disease, says Dr. Lon White, who has been studying diseases and aging in this Honolulu Heart Program. White said the scientists found “a significant link between tofu consumption during midlife and loss of mental ability and even loss of brain weight.†Tofu was the only consistent link among the men. “The test results were about equivalent to what they would have been if they were five years older and the guys who ate none, their test scores were as though they were five years younger.†Said White. The brains of 300 men who died were examined in a unique autopsy study conducted as part of the Honolulu aging project. White reports, “But what I did see was the simple weight of the brain was lower. Shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but atrophy progressed more rapidly in those men who had consumed more tofu.â€

At the conference where White presented his findings, Finnish scientist Herman Adlercreutz, who led the scientific explosion of interest in his studies on soy 20 years ago, said of soy and it components, “I am myself frightened a little bit by all this. There is so much we don’t know.â€

Lon White, who has been a researcher in this field for many years said, “The bottom line is these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have some benefits and some negative things.â€
Summary

In my study I noticed several important factors. Those who are speaking out against soy products, use extensive data and research reports. They also do not have monetary gain as a motive for putting out the information.

On the other hand, those promoting soy show an obvious lack of scientific study and research. Information promoting soy products often refers back to the Asian people’s dietary habits and their health records. Soy advocates also do not share critical information about the conditions in which the soy plant is grown, which can greatly change the chemical structure of the plant, causing the soy plant to have antiestrogenic effects, rather than estrogenic effects. Stress, fungus, and other environmental and growth conditions can change the types and amounts of phytochemicals responsible for soy’s touted health benefits or risks.

The way the Asians use soy is also never mentioned. The vast majority of soy eaten in Asian countries is used in combination with protein foods, such as pork, fish, milk or eggs. The animal proteins greatly change the chemical structure of the food and how it is digested. Much of the soy in Asian countries is also highly fermented (using fungus), the process changing the hormone-like properties. In the literature I read that told how healthy the Asian people are because they ate soy did not mention that research is finding that Alzheimer’s is higher in Asian people than any other group in the world. As I studied soy’s health benefits, it would have helped if the soy industry would have addressed some of the findings of the research that has been done and is now being done that so clearly points to some serious health threats, but I could find no serious rebuffs. Many people would lose huge fortunes if this information began to affect the health food markets.
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AVOID ESTROGEN

It goes without saying that, to help maintain a high level of male hormones, you should avoid food sources of both natural and synthetic estrogens. Commercially-raised animals are routinely given estrogenic hormones to fatten them up. Residues of these estrogens end up on your plate and serve to lower sperm counts. If you eat meat, consume only FREE RANGE meats. The same goes for milk and eggs: look for organic only to avoid estrogenic hormones.

One other food to avoid is soy as it is high in plant, or phyto, estrogens like genistein and daidzein. Avoidance of soy is especially crucial for infant boys whose circulating estrogen levels rise to skyrocketing proportions when on soy formula (7). Buddhist monks have the habit of eating lots of tofu specifically to dampen libido (8). The phytoestrogens in soy also are known to depress thyroid function by interfering with the gland’s ability to uptake iodine (9). Though hypothyroidism mostly afflicts post-menopausal women, it is not unknown in men and is a prime factor in low libido. This condition needs to be ruled out if your sex drive is diminished, especially if other signs of the disorder are present: depression, feeling cold, extreme fatigue in the mornings, constipation, dull hair, etc. The nutrients and foods that help stimulate and maintain thyroid function are vitamin A, iodine, the B complex, the amino acid tyrosine, butter, raw milk cheeses, blackstrap molasses, eggs, parsley, and apricots. Other foods which can interfere with thyroid function if consumed to excess include millet; raw cabbage, kale, cauliflower, broccoli, and mustard greens; turnips; peaches; and pears (10).

ALCOHOL & SMOKING

Men facing sexual difficulties should strongly consider quitting smoking and reducing their alcohol intake. Smoking restricts blood flow through the capillaries, including those of the penis, and has been shown to hinder a man’s ability to get and maintain an erection. Alcohol in large amounts has a detrimental effect on sexual performance. You certainly can’t expect to perform very well if you’re falling over drunk!

Herbs

The herbs damiana, sarsaparilla, and gotu kola have been traditionally employed for male impotence. Damiana has a long history as an aphrodisiac. Sarsaparilla is plentiful in male hormones, and gotu kola helps with peripheral circulation and increases blood flow to the penis. All these herbs are available over the counter as capsules and/or tinctures.

Other herbs to consider would be yohimbe and cayenne. Cayenne is used mostly for its positive effect on circulation. Yohimbe, an African herb, has a long history of use for male impotence. Dosage, of course, will vary according to the man invovled. Yohime has, unfortunately, been restricted in some countries. In the USA, for example, it is impossible to buy the herb on its own and can only be found in commercially-prepared herbal blends.

Another herb that has been shown to safely elevate testosterone levels in both men and women is Tribulus terrestris. Tribulus has become a popular herb among athletes due to its supposed muscle-building properties (through its ability to stimulate testosterone production). Studies have not shown, however, any substantial gains in muscle strength or size, though heightened sex drive was a pleasant side effect (11).

Homeopathy

Use Lycopodium for long-term impotence, Nux vomica for temporary impotence caused by nervousness or over-consumption of drugs or alcohol, Arnica montana for impotence caused by injury, and Sabal serrulata for impotence if you are elderly. Conium and Selenium are both very good for premature ejaculation. Potency strength will vary from man to man but, for home use the 6C potency should be OK. Consulting with a homeopathic practitioner will help you ascertain the best potency and remedy for you.

With sexual difficulties usually come feelings of emotional and physical inadequacy as well as feelings of helplessness and increased irritability due to the inability to perform or produce a child. Flower remedies that can help would be the Bach remedy Agrimony for fear of bad sexual performance and Crab Apple for a negative body image. The Australian Bush essences can also be employed, especially the Relationship or Confid blends.

Taoist Technique for Premature Ejaculation

Though I cannot remember the source, I memorized this little technique from a Taoist handbook many years ago and have successfully used it many times over the years. Best of all, your partner need not know you are doing it as it can be done inconspicuously. Here is the technique: when you feel the urge to ejaculate, stop all movement and fold your tongue back while pressing it to the roof of your mouth. While in this position, hold your breath for about 10 seconds then release and commence movement. If you need to “hold back†another time, simply repeat the technique. If your partner continues to move while you’re doing the exercise, gently ask them to stay still for a moment.

According to the Taoists, the technique works by temporarily diverting chi, or energy, away from the root chakra, the one associated with the sexual organs. Whatever the explanation, the technique works and I encourage you to try it.

Emotional Support

A supportive partner always helps when facing a sexual problem. Bear in mind that your inability to perform (or perform well) may be a sign that part of you does not want the relationship or, if you’re not with a permanent partner, a sign that, deep-down, you really don’t want a casual sexual encounter. Your inability to get and maintain an erection may be a drastic defense mechanism against intimacy or further involvement in a situation you do not want, but have not admitted to yet. Life stresses can also get in the way of a man’s abilities and need to be considered as causes as well. If psychological issues are not at stake, however, work to discover the ultimate causes of your problems and work to resolve them. Remember: there can be several reasons why you cannot function sexually so its important to treat the WHOLE you.

Many Ways

Finally, men need to realize that they do not need an erect penis to love and please their partner. Popular American advice columnist Ann Landers ran a reader’s poll a few years ago asking women what would they prefer, having sex with their partners or being lovingly held and kissed by them. The majority chose the latter. It wasn’t that the women disliked sex; what they valued more was really feeling loved, appreciated, and desired by their mates. Good sex does not always revolve around being able to achieve an erection and last a long time. On those occasions where you cannot perform for various reasons, don’t view it as a dead end. If you’re at a loss as to what you could do to please your partner emotionally and sexually, then ask them what they’d like you to do for them. You never know: your bout of impotence might open up a whole new world of exciting sexual possibilities for you and your partner.

NOTES

1. Weston A. Price. Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (Price Pottenger Nutrition Foundation; 1943).

2. Col. William Byrd, II. Histories of the Dividing Line Betwixt Virginia and North Carolina, reprinted 1967 by Dover Publications, Inc. New York, pp. 250-252.

3. C.V. Felton, et al., Lancet 344:1195, 1994.

4. Mary Enig. Know Your Fats (Bethesda Press; Maryland), 2000, p. 86.

5. See http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/20 ... day/links/
20001218elin024.html

6. Jonathan Wright, MD. Dr. Wright’s Guide to Healing with Nutrition. (Keats Publishing; USA), 1984, pp. 414-416. See also JP Pryor, et al., Brit Jnl of Urol, vol. 50, 1978, 47-50.

7. KD Setchell, et al. Amer Jnl of Clin Nutr, December 1998, Supplement 1453S-1461S.

8. Sally Fallon and Mary Enig. Tragedy & Hype. Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, July 2000. Posted at http://www.WestonAPrice.org

9. Stephen Langer, MD, and James Scheer. Solved: The Riddle of Illness. (Keats Publishing; USA), 1995, pp. 39-40

10. James Balch and Phyllis Balch, Prescription for Nutritional Healing. (Avery Publishing; USA), 1995, p. 335.

11. James Burke and Daniel Gastelu. Avery’s Sports Nutrition Almanac (Avery Publishing; New York), 1999, p. 171.




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Interesting piece, BruceLee... but I am not completely convinced to give up my glass of soy milk I have daily with breakfast. This study seems to say that if you load up on soy, make soy the predominant protein source for you, that many of the malevolent side effects may occur. Okay. But, does this mean that soy should be elimated from a male diet?

I am sure that many foods that men eat contain chemicals that enhance estrogen in isolation... but as a component of a balanced diet they can not only be nutritious but also very healthy components of a diet. Fat, for example, is a substance the body needs to function properly. But, if you make fat a predominant part of your diet then you are heading for trouble. Is this an accurate analogy to what you are saying, or am I completely off base.

Despite the hormonal implications of soy, I am still drawn to keep a serving of it a day in my diet because of the beneficial effect of the isoflavones it contains.

What do you think? Am I still safe or am I heading in the direction of manbreasts? I still have a strong libido... erm, I think?

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That was scary.

I would have liked to see results of specific studies etc.

But, no soy for me, ever again. I just got into soy milk a couple weeks ago. Never again.

I have always eaten a lot of beef, chicken, eggs etc. But, I eat a lot of this. That's a huge part of my diet. And, I never eat organic. I wonder what this has done to me?

Bruce, you could be on to something here. Is there any way to find out test results of hormone levels found in meats etc?

Because, if they do indeed contain high levels of hormones etc, and if I have been eating that my whole life, then that would definitly explain some things. :freaked:
 
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Well I did not post the material to convince anyone to drop soy per se. I have, and as importantly, I dropped my tablespoon of flax seed oil that I was taking daily.

Lignans are a powerful phytoestrogen and flax seed oil has tons of them.

Not so fish oil, which I also take.

To me at my age (54) using any soy product is just not worth the risk. As I understand it, as men age, estrogen becomes much more of a concern and there are researchers who believe the gradual shift in the test/est ratio is a main culprit in age related male decline.

So I am focusing on environmental and dietary est as something to be avoided.

Anyway, I hate soy so that will be an easy one to eliminate. Ditto the flax seed oil.

I already eat organic steak and drink organic wine. Next up is making a list of other subsititutions and eliminations. Focus on making sure my protein sources are not riddled with pesticides etc. That should be easy also.

Again, this is my approach and not a recommendation of any kind. Who am I to recommend?

And I just posted a couple of articles on this. There are tons of articles to be found and I am assembling them for a reference data base.

Good stuff, no?
 

The Gardener

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Yes, very good stuff, Bruce. Thanks.

If you come across any more enviromental estrogen sources I'd be interested to hear. I personally don't eat a lot of red meat, but I do buy Foster Farms chicken which I BELIEVE is hormone-free. (I'll have to read the label next time.) I also get rbst-free milk.

What say you on the topic of green tea? Do you have an opinion on that??

Thanks, Bruce.
 

Hairybush1

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Im suprised that more of the guys that work out werent aware of soy and its link to elevated estrogen. This topic has been talked about for a few years now in the bodybuilding circles.

Good read though, Bruce.

I dont know how anyone can eat that crap to begin with, its just plain awful. :freaked2: :D
 
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