What Really Causes Hair loss - Best Kept Secret by Pharma Companies? or not?

[james555]

So hair loss apparently is caused by DHT in most men - but this video seems to explain something which makes total sense to me if I think about it.

What do you guys think? I agree with the video - but I will not make a conclusion that this is the only way, but nevertheless it makes sense on what is the hidden cause of hair loss, be it by hormone imbalance or stress, both factors lead to the same event (to varying degrees).

[video=youtube;CDZRuOr-kJg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDZRuOr-kJg[/video]

 

[Ryukil]

Umm...so she's saying DHT has nothing to do with it? How then do medications that block 5-alpha-reductase keep your hair from falling out?

 

[XXXXXXX]

Don't bother..

 

[Ryukil]

Also, what is she trying to sell?

 

[james555]

She is not saying DHT has nothing to do with it - she is saying that DHT and other things that we say cause hair loss, actually really cause inflammation, which then causes hair loss.

Not selling anything...

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if you have no useful comment to make, and did not watch the video, why waste your time commenting something nobody will find any value in?

The video is not selling anything - simply stating that its not as simple as DHT causing hair loss - yes it does cause it, but it first causes inflammation, which THEN causes the hair to thin, and also fall. I hope that makes sense. Because to me it makes sense and its weird that I never read it anywhere.

but of course, dont take my word for it, I would suggest to do your own research and find your own truths - but its not really productive to just say "dont bother" when you dont even know what the video was saying.

 

[james555]

http://humancure.com/10-ways-to-thick-hair/

Proven treatments work at 20% (roughly) rate - just like natural treatments if carried out the same way - the difference is, the "proven" ones are "proven" by millions of dollars backing by pharmaceutical companies which can make an experiment go one way or another, and exclude that information from the experiment - whereas NOBODY wants to do random experiments for the sake of finding out more, without intention for any monetary return (earning money) - so if they know they cannot patient the formula or method - they will likely never experiment on it, at least never publically, and try to replicate it within a patented formula at best.

Like Minoxidil - they say its the only "proven" formula - when the science behind what it does is clearly known, but kept secret - it enhances circulation to the scalp, thats all it does! but everyone spends thousands on that product. It was originally designed for heart patients who had clogged arteries, and to expand the arteries they used minoxidil, and it was a no brainer for them to add minoxidil as a topical formula to enhance hair growth - why do you think it only works when used for lifetime?

Its sad that people are so skeptical and close all doors of their mind to any other possibility.

 

[psyhotria]

The video is not selling anything - simply stating that its not as simple as DHT causing hair loss - yes it does cause it, but it first causes inflammation, which THEN causes the hair to thin, and also fall. I hope that makes sense. Because to me it makes sense and its weird that I never read it anywhere.

You never read it anywhere? Too bad because it is all the rage since about 1+ years now. It has been brought upon us by Dr Cotsarelis & team (University of Pennsylvania); starring prostagladin D2 (PGD2) and metabolites thereof.. Check http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120321143013.htm

 

[james555]

Yes I know its around - my point is, its not mainstream understanding of hair loss.

And health and well being cannot be limited inside pharmaceutical drugs which have a main intention to make money first, before solving a problem, hair loss or otherwise.

They never will research natural ingredients for the sake of human development, and spend millions in researching when they know they wont be able to patient the ingredients or methods. There is always a pharmaceutical (business) in mind when any research is carried out.

 

[Quantum Cat]

well I'm convinced.

Clearly this woman on youtube has found the cure that has eluded the world's top scientists and doctors.

Halleluljah!



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Proven treatments work at 20% (roughly) rate - just like natural treatments if carried out the same way - .

Finasteride has an 80-85% success rate at halting or slowing down male pattern baldness.

 

[abcdefg]

Yes I know its around - my point is, its not mainstream understanding of hair loss.

And health and well being cannot be limited inside pharmaceutical drugs which have a main intention to make money first, before solving a problem, hair loss or otherwise.

They never will research natural ingredients for the sake of human development, and spend millions in researching when they know they wont be able to patient the ingredients or methods. There is always a pharmaceutical (business) in mind when any research is carried out.

male pattern baldness is a problem no one has solved in the last 200 years or even really ever found any half way effective treatment that did anything until propecia was invented. Before propecia male pattern baldness was a completely untreatable condition and its just about that simple I cant see anyway to argue that even if the big pharma companies did find it with the intent of making money.
Treatments being trialed right now include CB 03 01 which is more powerful, and very safe becoming a naturally found type of steroid in blood stream so it seems like solving or effectively treating a problem to me. I havent seen anyone else do that yet with natural supplements or whatever else besides big pharma you would use. It takes big pharma money to do all this stuff a guy in his basement cant figure it all out
There is no conspiracy its just natural problems are that hard and tough to figure out a way just to treat them. Thats why male pattern baldness is not cured its just hard. We have so many limits placed on us by chemistry, physics, and there are not fast or easy ways to change of that

 

[james555]

have you ever met those top scientists? Do you know who pays them? because I have, and I know exactly how they function and work - but it doesnt take a geniune to work that out if you really intended to see the truth.

do you really think scientists are people just working to find cures without reason? Its companies that pay them - to create studies that make it SEEM like a certain thing is such a way.

If the objective is profit, then natural cures will always be covered - and that 80-85% success rate is the biggest amount of bull I have heard - you are so stuck in your limited worldview of medicine that you cannot even grasp the fact something outside of the little box can exist.

 

[abcdefg]

Alright you tell me then. How do those top scientists function and work in detail? Yes they get paid money. What natural cures are there that we should be trying? Who is researching or finding those natural cures because I have been ready and willing for the last 20 years to use those. Show me that out of the box solution please because if that solution works really well I will raise funds to get it through FDA and sell it in mass so I can retire. Tell me already

 

[Quantum Cat]

have you ever met those top scientists? Do you know who pays them? because I have, and I know exactly how they function and work - but it doesnt take a geniune to work that out if you really intended to see the truth.

do you really think scientists are people just working to find cures without reason? Its companies that pay them - to create studies that make it SEEM like a certain thing is such a way.

If the objective is profit, then natural cures will always be covered - and that 80-85% success rate is the biggest amount of bull I have heard - you are so stuck in your limited worldview of medicine that you cannot even grasp the fact something outside of the little box can exist.

yes all the experts and scientists all over the world who have worked on the problem of male pattern baldness for decades are ALL being bankrolled by the big pharma corps. Every scientist and doctor is corrupt and falsifying their research to show whatever the corps tell them so that they can sell their evil drugs. It's a global conspiracy! Just like they supress the cure for cancer and the oil companies suppress clean alternative energy sources.
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FYI Finasteride's effectiveness has been proven by trials - not only ones carried out by Merck (boo hiss!) but also independent impartial trials. If it's all 'bull' then why do millions of men take finasteride and report that that it's stopped their balding? Let me guess, they're all being paid off by the pharma corps too right?


It would be great if there was a natural treatment/cure that actually worked, but there isn't. Unless you can tell us what it is and provide hard proof that it works. And some girl on youtube imploring us to 'thumbs up' her video is not proof.

 

[TheHandsomeLurker]

As far as research goes, nothing "natural" has been verifiably demonstrated to do anything to treat male pattern baldness, and I suspect no "natural" substance will work. Balding is a natural process.


If there were natural cures, I'm sure a big drug company would've found one, patented it, and ran FDA trials on it to verify its validity and subsequently generate hundreds of millions of dollars in sales.

 

[kissmyscalp]

Do we know the real reason why the RU has been canceled?

It seems to be one of the biggest mystery of male pattern baldness research.

 

[james555]

its not a conspiracy - but it seems you have completely made your decision about it, so im not into ego bashing. I was thought someone more open minded might find it helpful.

I never said doctors are corrupt or anyone actually - Its just business, thats what I'm trying to say.

The reason there has never been any natural cure for ANYTHING is because nobody will invest money and time in it, and not get a return out - its nothing to do with corruption. It's called sensible thinking.

Those so called Independent trails are also, mostly funded by those same pharmaceuticals - not all, but most - why? Nobody is just going to waste their time and say, for the sake of curiosity, I shall use my well earned money, and just do an experiment - who does that in todays world? It's not corruption, its called common sense.

 

[anxious1]

no, its just easier for u to accept that rather than just admitting hairloss is extremely difficult to treat and that nothing really works well.

 

[aj218]

Well one reason why natural cures aren't researched is that is impossible to patent them. However, another reason is that if a natural cure does work it may use more than one chemical compound in a synergystic way where as traditional drugs use a single molecular compound.

Lasy year I had to do a presentation on herbal remedies for my pharmacology module and while researching it I just found conflicting evidence on gingko biloba and mind you these weren't trials carried out by drug companies but independent bodies. I know someone might say 'But what if those universities are funded by drug companies???'. Quite a few weren't, they got their funding from their respectable governments as they were quite often universities.

Anyway, doing this presentation made me realise if someone decided to just use natural cures they may never see the effects they so desired as if the natural cure can do it, it would be quite a weak effect. Side effects are quite common too although I don't get why people say 'but it's natural, there shouldn't be an bad side effects'.

Also, James, if inflammation is the sole cause of male pattern baldness why don't YOU do some sort of treatment for it and come back and show us how wrong we have been instead of just saying what you think. It's gonna be quite hard to convince us that hairloss treatments work only '20 %' of the time. One thing I'd like to add is that if you have based this number on the posts on this forum then you have just generalised. There are many people who they work for who jusy stop posting as they have no need to worry about there hairloss as they have been successful. A lot of the time the guys that keep posting, especially new guys, are people who have just started and think that it's not working. I had that mind frame just last month until I saw an explosion of vellus hairs on my temples.

 

[james555]

Because natural treatment is unique to each and every person due to each person's physiology is different - and its not as simple as finding a "cure" - this type of thinking is flawed by itself, because one size does not fit all, everybody is different in their eating behaviour, thinking behaviour and exercise patterns - this is where natural healing is misunderstood, because everyone expects a stupid pill or liquid to be a fix for the entire health condition!!!

I am just saying the hormonal imbalance among other things lead to the inflammation - so DHT is involved, but that is what starts the inflammation in the first place, which then causes the hair to affect it.

I'm not attacking the pills or saying pharmaceuticals are evil and corrupt - but one has to be sensible and understand that it is a business, not some angel trying with sole intention to help you heal.

Natural medicine has never taken onto mainstream because of the above commenters - they simply generalize on what I have said, made a mockery out of it until they are satisfied with themselves - but I was not here to make fun or downtalk anyone, im here to share this awesome thing I found.

The next step for each person suffering from hair loss is to see what causes inflammation? Because inflammation leads to many diseases and health problems.

It's more an individual thing - what are your specific patterns in food? do you eat a lot of sugar? then the insulin spikes alone could be a huge factor contributing to hair loss.

Things are not as simple as, oh DHT causes hair loss - its multiple factors in every person (excluding trauma victims and cancer patients obviously).

I rather that each person that read this thread, takes it in their own hands with an open mind, ego aside, look into the possibilities that have yet to be explored - just because it is not mainstream and you don't hear about it, does not mean it does not exist, or does not work - it just might work very different to what you expect, that is why you might think its a load of rubbish, but its simply a misunderstanding.

Real Natural Healing must come in multiple ways ie changing diet, lifestyle, stress levels - this has a major impact on hormones believe it or not - as I said, one size does not fit all, as we all seem to expect in western modern medicine by taking a pill to fix a problem, which is nonsensical if you think about it, how can years of damage to your own body by your own habits and behaviours be reversed by just one pill?

Any Scientist or Doctor that says that "its your genes, theres nothing you can do about it" is saying that because they really don't know any better - We have yet to discover the full extent of the DNA, and until we can trace DNA to draw the persons exact face, how can we say its limited by DNA? Plus, their is so much proof that DNA is constantly changing by our habits (eating, fitness and others).

I'm just here to say that their are other possibilities that companies will not explore for your personal healing - and if you are suffering from hair loss which is affecting your confidence or life in general, and really want to do something, then explore this area more - see if you are taking sugar (sugar feeds inflammation) and try to research what could be right for your own body - maybe you are not exercising enough at all - even general blood circulation will help greatly, and you will see the difference. - basically, become a mini-scientist!

I personally know when I go jogging for 5 miles, my hair loss completely stops, but when i stop, after 4-7 weeks it slowly starts again! - even when i try to take hair out of my head, it does not fall off! Imagine if we could figure a way for ourselves, which works for us as individuals. It is said that exercises reduces inflammation in the body as a whole - so those two seem to correlate, but I am saying to find your own truth, rather than stay stuck in a pill for life or liquid for life (take them too if they work for you, but do explore other realms, this world we live in is not that limited, and nor is our bodies ability to heal).

Anyway, hope this helps someone at least.

 

[aj218]

I'm not arguing that the environment does not play a role in hairloss, although this forum thinks otherwise quite often. I remember reading a paper about other mechanisms which could be in play during male pattern baldness. They talked about DHT but they also talked about growth factors and the role of wnt, IGF and DKK-1. I can't remember the title of the paper but I do remember that in the closing remarks they said that these pathways should be researched further as more treatments could be made available. One problem is that many of the other pathways were required for functions in other parts of the body. The great thing about inhibiting DHT is that most of it's functions are just sexual, so inhibiting it is not as dangerous as many other pathways which can explain why some drug companies may hesitate in messing with other pathways as it could lead to very dangerous side effects. At the end of the day these drugs just serve a cosmetic problem so it's hard to justify side effects.

It could be said that the initiation of male pattern baldness may be down to a person's sensitivity to DHT which can be down to genetics whilst the severity and aggressiveness of the hairloss could be pushed by environmental factors. I never exercise and have a strong sweet tooth, this never caused me any problems as I had a nutrition test done as part of my second year coursework. I'm 6'3 and I weigh 90kg which puts me at overweight on the BMI scale yet my muscle to fat ratio shows otherwise. I could start exercising and eating healthy to see if it effects my hairloss.