What kind of Copper Peptides are in Spectral DNC?

[Guest]

I don't even see anything resembling a CP listed on the ingredients list.

I'm wondering if this is a Copper Gluconate (AC Revitalize), Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide Copper HCl (Tricomin), or the Cupric Sulfate (Folligen).

Update 02/15/07: As posted in the 2nd to last post of page 2, DS Labs has responded to the question above with the following:

R&D has just sent me the following:

Copper peptides are listed in the ingredients on the Spectral DNC bottle as part of the "Vitamin and Mineral Complex". The actual type of peptide is Prezatide Copper Acetate. The percentage of copper peptides is 1.5%.

If you have any further inquiries, please let us know.

Regards,

Angie C.
DS Laboratories, Inc.
Customer Service
http://www.DSlaboratories.com
angie@divineskin.com

Read along to get Bryan's thoughts on this.

 

[beaner]

I don't think it would be either of these. Copper gluconate isn't a peptide, that patent on the Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide wasn't expired when Spectral was formulated and would have had to have been licensed from ProCyte, and I'm not sure that Pickart's peptides would be available either. I could be wrong though, this is a good question.

 

[Guest]

Hi beaner,

Well I emailed Spectral so I should get a response on this. Doesn't American Crew classify their gluconate as a CP in their new formulated Revitalize product?

Isn't the Cupric stuff just some form of Cu mixed with soy or something like that as well?

 

[beaner]

The American Crew website now refers to it as "our Copper Gluconate Compound. I'm not really sure what that is, although I think there's a thread on it somewhere. Here's the link to their website: http://www.americancrew.com/home.htm

Folligen's peptides are made up of hydrolyzed soy protein and copper chloride.

 

[Guest]

Well I'm not a physicist or a chemist, but copper gluconate is not considered a Cu Peptide? I read a older post from collegechemistrykid regarding Cu Peptides and how they range in wide variety and cannot be lumped all into the same boat for our purposes, but is the Cu Gluconate even considered a peptide?! Perhaps it has some beneficial effect on our follicles like the Tricomin formulation, but I guess we wouldn't know since it's never been tested?

At least it has green tea extract and Saw Palmetto though. I'm considering adding this into my shampoo rotation since Jason's also changed their Thin to Thick formula for the worse now.

 

[beaner]

You can still get the old version with the Alanine/Histidine/Lysine Polypeptide on e-bay.

 

[Guest]

How can you tell if its the older peptide complex vs. the newer stuff from the ebay descriptions? I've done some searches and I cannot tell the difference.

 

[beaner]

You'll have to email the seller. Actually, if you type American Crew Revitalize in the Ebay search engine, look for Lou's House of Beauty or something like that and he indicates the original formula on his page. I bought 2 bottles for 20 bucks a while back.

 

[Guest]

beaner,

I found Lou's store but didn't see any of his auctions indicated the original formula. Probably sold all those already . Is the new stuff still worth it even for the Saw Palmetto, Green Tea Extract, and maybe the Copper Gluconate?

I received a response from DS Labs. Basically indicating my question was deferred to their research team. I guess Angie didn't know. Here's the response:

Thank you for your email and your interest in DS Laboratories' products.

Please know I have forwarded your inquiry about Spectral DNC to our Research and Development Department in order to receive a clear and definitive reply.

Because we want to make doubly certain we are providing our customers with the highest quality products, Revita Shampoo underwent some final trials and the release date was pushed from December of 2006 to February of 2007. We are currently mass producing this product and it should be available for purchase from most of our dealers over the next 10 days. Aikenskincare and a couple other dealers will most likely have Revita in stock by the end of this week.

Please let us know if we may be of further assistance.

Have a great week!

Regards,

Angie C.
DS Laboratories, Inc.
Customer Service
http://www.DSlaboratories.com
angie@divineskin.com

 

[Bryan]

Well I'm not a physicist or a chemist, but copper gluconate is not considered a Cu Peptide? I read a older post from collegechemistrykid regarding Cu Peptides and how they range in wide variety and cannot be lumped all into the same boat for our purposes, but is the Cu Gluconate even considered a peptide?!

Like Beaner said, copper gluconate isn't a peptide, it's a copper salt. There is no peptide sequence in there at all!

Perhaps it has some beneficial effect on our follicles like the Tricomin formulation, but I guess we wouldn't know since it's never been tested?

Copper salts would be very irritating and toxic if applied to your skin/scalp. They're not beneficial at all. The reason they're listed on the labels of products like Folligen is that they're used to PRODUCE copper-peptides: when a copper salt is added to hydrolyzed soy protein, the copper ions link to the soy peptides to form random copper-peptides. That's where they come from.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the response Bryan.

Why the heck would they put in a Cu Salt than if it has absolutely no benefit to the skin/scalp but in fact the opposite effect?! I mean whynot just leave it out and feature the green tea and SP extract as the main ingredients?!

I guess I will scratch this stuff off of the list than. I'm planning on using Revita EOD when it finally comes out and want something better than Jason's Thin To Thick (who also changed the formula on that for the worse) on my Revita off days. Guess I'll have to pony up for the more expensive tricomin or folligen shampoo/conditioner.

 

[Follically Challenged]

fairtaxnow

you could always use NANO, but I called up Dr. Proctor and asked what copper peptides he used, and he said look at his patents. Great answer, eh?

 

[Bryan]

Why the heck would they put in a Cu Salt than if it has absolutely no benefit to the skin/scalp but in fact the opposite effect?!

Like I said, to produce copper-peptides. You mix a copper salt with hydrolyzed soy protein, and the copper ions from the salt link with peptides from the soy to produce beneficial copper-peptides.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

Hey Bryan, does washing your skin make it produce more sebum?

Also, do minoxidil and retin-a have to be used at the same time?

 

[jh]

Hey Bryan, does washing your skin make it produce more sebum?

Also, do minoxidil and retin-a have to be used at the same time?

I've kinda been wondering if finasteride was an accidental discovery.

 

[Guest]

Why the heck would they put in a Cu Salt than if it has absolutely no benefit to the skin/scalp but in fact the opposite effect?!

Like I said, to produce copper-peptides. You mix a copper salt with hydrolyzed soy protein, and the copper ions from the salt link with peptides from the soy to produce beneficial copper-peptides.

Bryan

There is no soy-protein, or anything that appears to be soy related from what I can tell, that's included in the new Revitalize (shampoo at least which I just checked the ingredients list of on their website). Therefore, again I ask, what would be the point of them simply putting in Copper Gluconate in its pure form?

Even if there was a soy protein listed as a seperate ingredient, that would seem to be a very crude way to attempt to produce a Cu Peptide rather than at least mixing the ingredients to form the peptide as it appears to be done in the Folligen. Alas, I guess that's why nobody is buying this new AC revitalize anymore.

 

[Bryan]

There is no soy-protein, or anything that appears to be soy related from what I can tell, that's included in the new Revitalize (shampoo at least which I just checked the ingredients list of on their website). Therefore, again I ask, what would be the point of them simply putting in Copper Gluconate in its pure form?

Sorry, I didn't understand the point you were making before. You're right, I don't know what it is they think they're accomplishing with the copper gluconate. You'll have to ask them directly. Please post their response here.

Bryan

 

[Guest]

ok, I will shoot them an email and see what they have to say about this. Thanks!

 

[Guest]

I got a response from Divine Skin about the Cu Peptides they use. Comments on this from the experts?

R&D has just sent me the following:

Copper peptides are listed in the ingredients on the Spectral DNC bottle as part of the "Vitamin and Mineral Complex". The actual type of peptide is Prezatide Copper Acetate. The percentage of copper peptides is 1.5%.

If you have any further inquiries, please let us know.

Regards,

Angie C.
DS Laboratories, Inc.
Customer Service
http://www.DSlaboratories.com
angie@divineskin.com

 

[Bryan]

WOW! COOL!! That's the same copper-peptide that's in Iamin!

This is also probably the first time in recorded history that a company has actually divulged the exact concentration level of copper-peptides in their hairloss product! int:

Bryan