The science of intermittent fasting

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I have no idea if fasting has any effect on hair. There are no reliable reports. My guess would be that decreased calorie intake would decrease hair loss.

As for 500 calories being fasting ... Well, people call it fasting lol. That's the 5+2 diet gimmick.
 

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i thought fasting meant no food lol...as soon as you eat you are activating digestive system so the fast ends...so its not fast imo and i cant see it having same benefit unless the 500 calories are from healthy food likes furit and veg...in that case it can help the cleanse...but if someone eats 500 cals junk or cooked food imo the fast is over and starts again
 

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i thought fasting meant no food lol...as soon as you eat you are activating digestive system so the fast ends...so its not fast imo and i cant see it having same benefit unless the 500 calories are from healthy food likes furit and veg...in that case it can help the cleanse...but if someone eats 500 cals junk or cooked food imo the fast is over and starts again
I agree, hence the "lol" in the post above yours, and the reference to a "gimmick".
 

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yeh who knows,,,,well ill do water fast 36 hours then maybe 5-7 days fruit/vege low calorie diet

these things both gotta be healthy.

I plan to fast 24-36hrs once every week and fast from say 10pm-2pm every day....so 16hr fast every day.

once per month or 2 months ill do some 5-7 day thing with water/fruit kinda fasting.

Fasting gives body time to heal and repair and is natural, back in day caveman go without food for long time....

I feared losing weight fasting but not case, fat ye but not muscle, when fasting body improve digestion and hormones so when you do eat the food is used better so maybe 2000-2500 calories when fasted is ustilised better than gorging on 3000-3500 caloried daily.
 

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For the first 3 of 4 days this week I didn't eat until 1200pm, on the other day I had a morning workout so I ate breakfast after the workout.

Tomorrow I'm doing a 36 hour fast, no food between Thursday dinner and Saturday breakfast. Saturday breakfast I'm meeting people, I got dates on Saturday night and Sunday morning. Sunday night there's a group dinner.

I'm now down below 90 Kg in the morning for the second night, there's a ~1 Kg fluctuation between different days which is obviously just water.

I believe in intermittent fasting and hope to get to 80 Kg.
 

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i started fasting at 8pm on Wednesday and i will start eating with fruit Friday afternoon.

Dunno why i do this, im so hungry right now...but i look so good after my fast, haha...hoping it helps my hair but my skin looks good and clears my acne which i dont get much anyway these days.
 

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Yes a lot of people make anecdotal claims that fasting helps with acne, hairloss, and vision. I wish these could be verified scientifically.

I find that my hunger peaks around the first lunch time.

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I'm at 88.3 kg at the close of a 36 hour fast, and was at 90.6 kg at the close of another one five weeks ago. So i've been losing about one pound per week in a period that included a lot of travelling.
 

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I've been reading up on the writings of Dr. Jason Fung recently. Dr. Jason Fung is a nephrologist (Kidney specialist) educated at the University of Toronto. I've been watching his lecture series on obesity, insulin, diabetes, et cetera, as well as reading parts of his blog. He's clarified two questions I've wondered for a long time.


1) When you cut calories, your body can either respond by mining fat stores (desired outcome), arbitrarily increasing hunger (common outcome) or decreasing metabolism (dangerous outcome). He explains what sets apart outcome #1 from the latter 2: insulin. If insulin levels are high, the body cannot efficiently mine its fat stores. You'll either crave food, or your metabolism will crash. This is backed by studies. I link to part 1 of his lecture series below. He talks about fasting in the second half of part 4. I recommend watching the full series, he does an incredible job of going over the literature.


2) There's an interesting paper which may have found the precise link between diabetes and obesity, and their fundings are backed by MRIs and case studies of obese patients who got bariatric surgery. It's known that obesity and diabetes are correlated, but the precise mechanism is not well-defined.


What they find is quite simple, it depends on how your body fat is distributed. We all distribute fat differently. Once your body fat starts congesting your pancreas, you have diabetes. That's a pretty impressive, fundamental discovery of physiology if it holds up I think.


It also would explain a miracle of medicine -- the fact I'm not type-II diabetic. I certainly "deserve" to be given the way I ate in the period 2004-2014 or so. I guess my body fat is just distributed differently. But even though I apparently didn't have a liver congested with fat ... perhaps my other organs were congested and I had problems I didn't even realize.


[video=youtube;YpllomiDMX0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0[/video]

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fatty-pancreas-t2d-9/


http://care.diabetesjournals.org/co...entinform-links=yes&legid=diacare;dc15-0750v1
 

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The problem is the resveratrol content in red wine is far too low to make an impact. And red wine does not necessarily contain resveratrol. So the health benefits of drinking red wine are extremely overrated IMO. You are better off with a quality resveratrol supplement.

I follow a gluten free diet and my only source of carbs is rice; it has helped me stay fit.

Saying any macro-nutrient is bad is overly simplifying it. Vegetables are primarily carbohydrate, but nobody would say they spur obesity. What seems to be the case is that overly processed foods are the culprit. Potatoes are great for you, but french fries are awful.
 

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I did my seventh 36-hour fast this Friday, as in no calories between Thursday dinner and Saturday breakfast, though with plenty of water, tea, and coffee. I did so including ~80 minutes of strenuous mountain walking on Friday afternoon and another 50 minute walk in the cold on Friday night.


In summary, the health benefits of fasting are decreased insulin levels, decreased insulin resistance, increased autophagy (the decay of lower-quality cells), increased brain-derived neurotophic factor, increased human growth hormone, and increased rest metabolism. Long-term fasts (7+ days) have been noted to heal diverse conditions ranging from poor vision to congested heart disease to various cancers to arthritis to depression, but it's unclear if the curative effects can be obtained from a series of short-term fasts.


I will post a summary of my physiological changes in early August, I think ~10 weeks should be enough time to note significant changes reliably. Note that aside from ~36-hour fasts, I'm also following on most days the 8-hour eating window popularized by the legendary Martin Berkhan, as in my first meal doesn't come until 1200pm or even 230pm some days. That was hard at first but became easy within a couple days; but not on mornings where I break a fast or workout.
For now I'll say a few things:

- I think my stomach has shrunk, as in general I'm less hungry. I leave the office when I'm done, not wen I'm starving, which is a change from where I was a year ago, I just don't feel extreme hunger anymore. That is a hormonal change, not a psychological change (e.g. "willpower"), so it's more fundamental;
- My weight, and my waist size, are both dropping;
- I no longer feel hungry during the fast, and this marks two weeks in a row where I don't feel massive headaches during fast day. When I wake up on Saturday morning, I'm not hungry;
- It's nice to be able to enjoy massive feasts. Intermittent fasting is the only credible diet plan that allows for feasts. If you're eating fewer meals, then a ~1,500-2,000 calorie meal is permissible and even encouraged. This morning for breakfast I had half a cantaloupe, two slices of toast with butter, two eggs, piece of avocado, grilled tomato, grilled haloumi, baked beans, a flat white, and a small amaretti (~1,300 calories). You can *never* be satisfied and eat like that if you're following the now quaint advice to eat six small meals a day with lots of snacks.


The most significant difficulty is that it can be hard to schedule. I only do so on days where there is both no gym training and no social activity, since both of these imply food. This coming week, for example, there is no room for a 36-hour fast, so I'm considering two meals today, one meal tomorrow (sunday), two meals monday, and 1 or 2 meals on Friday. I might do a ~60-hour fast on June 24th + June 25th.
 

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https://news.usc.edu/82959/diet-that-mimics-fasting-appears-to-slow-aging/

Bimonthly cycles that lasted four days of an FMD which started at middle age extended life span, reduced the incidence of cancer, boosted the immune system, reduced inflammatory diseases, slowed bone mineral density loss and improved the cognitive abilities of older mice tracked in the study. The total monthly calorie intake was the same for the FMD and control diet groups, indicating that the effects were not the result of an overall dietary restriction.
The reasons this is informative are that:
1) They started the fasting in middle age, which better mimics humans since most humans who take up fasting will be starting in adulthood as well;
2) They have parallel human trials:
3) They're probing an intermediate regime, of very low calorie eating for several days at a time. It's not clear if 16-hour fasts, 36-hour fasts, 4-day fasts, 3-week fasts, etc all yield the same benefits or if they're completely different regimes.
 

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I've seen many methods of intermittent fasting online and I actually don't get why some people try them. Fasting is not suited for everyone and can harm you especially if you have a medical condition. Also, this can also make you sick because you will be lacking some nutrients that your body needs.
 

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I've seen many methods of intermittent fasting online and I actually don't get why some people try them. Fasting is not suited for everyone and can harm you especially if you have a medical condition. Also, this can also make you sick because you will be lacking some nutrients that your body needs.

You clearly have not read or thought about any of the posts.
 

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I did my 8th 36-hour fast yesterday (Sunday), no food between Saturday dinner and monday breakfast around 1030am. Between Friday night and Saturday dinner I ate a ton of food, dinner at a thai restaurant, then group breakfast, then post-workout meal + fruits to help with digestion, then a dinner party with a lot of food and dessert. I made sur to drink a ton of tea and coffee during my fast to help the digestive system and to clear out bloating.

Broke the fast this morning after a mantoux test. Went out for breakfast, had two eggs on toast with butter, sauteed spinach, sauteed mushrooms, and smoked salmon with coffee and a small dessert. Maybe around ~1,000 calories, it was f*****g great.

My weight loss seems to have plateaued but it's an illusion, as I'm doing more load at the gym and my arms are bigger.

I did this fast on Sunday because I was busy this past week. My next fast will be this Friday.
 

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I'm doing another 36-hour fast today. Maybe I'll stretch it until 1130am on Saturday morning which would bring it up to ~38 hours.

I've noticed one thing that helps is to have a lot of fruits and vegetables in the day or the two days before the fast. That helps clear out the digestive system likely due to the extra dietary fibre, and the massive drinking of tea and coffee during the fast.

Had a morning workout with my trainer yesterday involving heavy weights, and some boxing routines with HIIT on the exercise bike at the end. Had pilates from 500pm to 600pm as well, so nearly 2 hours of exercise as well, as well as over 1 hour of walking.This morning I got a massage, I might do 90 minutes of walking today.

Pre-fast breakfast yesterday:
Potato-beef-stew with side of asian noddles and vegetables
flat white (coffee, similar to a latte)
small cherry chocolate slice

Pre-fast lunch yesterday:
High-fat yogurt with nutmeg, honey, linseed, and almond flakes
2 peaches
can of tuna
Glass of high-quality soy milk

Pre-fast dinner
300 grams of baked salmon with the skin, with coriander, garlic, olive oil, lemon wedges, lime juice, a cherry tomato, salt, pepper
Some brussel sprouts with pine nuts, rosemary, olive oil, salt, pepper, parmesan
Asparagus
Bottle of kombucha tea
A small piece of japanese dessert, threw out the rest, it sucked.

No snacks, between 2500 and 3000 calories total. Notice that there were very few carbs at dinner.

Brussel sprouts go well with salmon because they both take 35-40 minutes in the oven at the same temperature: 200 celsius / 400 fahrenheit
 
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I think fasting done moderately and properly (i.e. still ensuring adequate calories) can potentially be beneficial but otherwise
leads to some very bad and most likely permanent changes which I personally, sadly, have experience with.

But, alas, I am too tired to write about that now. Maybe tommorow. Off to bed now. It's been a long day.
 

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I'm doing another 36-hour fast tomorrow. This is what I ate today,

1000am, late breakfast
Two eggs poached on toast with butter
Smoked salmon
baked beans
Haloumi
Flat white
amaretti

700pm, dinner
two eggs scrambled, 1 piece of toast
1 medium avocado
2 pears
1 bunch of asparagus
tuna/mayonnaise/capsicum/penne salad
A little white chocolate

Total calories:
1100 + 900 + penne/tuna salad ~ 2,700 calories, including a lot of fibre and well over 100 grams of protein. I did a 45 minute intense workout this morning, and went to pilates in the afternoon. Might go for an extended walk (30+ minutes) in a bit.

This will be my 10th fast I think.
 

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I guess you could say i semi/quasi fast. What I do is I only eat 1 real meal a day, dinner.

Throughout the day I still try to make sure I'm getting about 20-30 grams of protein every 2.5-4 hours, and I'll eat some light fruits or vegetables here and there, but apart from that I restrict carb intake to dinner time.

For dinner, I allow myself to eat pretty much whatever I want, within reason. I'll usually have desert as well. I like to make dinner my "1 meal" because that way I have a meal to look forward to throughout the day.

I stick to this diet about 5 days a week.

This method works well for me. Keeps my body fat low and my stomach pretty shredded. Again, it's not technically fasting, as I'm still consuming protein throughout the day, but I think it's important to keep that constant flow of protein to ensure optimal muscle repair for people who do strength/resistance training.
 

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I guess you could say i semi/quasi fast. What I do is I only eat 1 real meal a day, dinner.

Throughout the day I still try to make sure I'm getting about 20-30 grams of protein every 2.5-4 hours, and I'll eat some light fruits or vegetables here and there, but apart from that I restrict carb intake to dinner time.

For dinner, I allow myself to eat pretty much whatever I want, within reason. I'll usually have desert as well. I like to make dinner my "1 meal" because that way I have a meal to look forward to throughout the day.

I stick to this diet about 5 days a week.

This method works well for me. Keeps my body fat low and my stomach pretty shredded. Again, it's not technically fasting, as I'm still consuming protein throughout the day, but I think it's important to keep that constant flow of protein to ensure optimal muscle repair for people who do strength/resistance training.

Reminds me of what I posted on FB a while back ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475137

If you eat your carbs at night, for fixed total carbs and calories, you lose more total weight, you lose more fat weight, you lose more waist circumference, you'll be less hungry, have better fasting glucose, better insulin levels, better levels of LDL and HDL cholesterol, C-reactive protein (CRP), tumor necrosis factor-α (TNF-α), and interleukin-6 (IL-6) levels.

Moral: Avoid carbohydrates for breakfast and possibly lunch whenever possible, which is goes against north american and australian dietary tradition.
 

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I think the reason so many people fail with traditional diets, i.e. trying to eat a bunch of small, healthy meals, is because they essentially are trying to give up one of life's great pleasures, a good meal.

They might have their cheat day once a week or whatever, but is that really going to be enough to tide them over? Like, "well, I'm not going to eat that, but at least 5 days from now I can enjoy eating what I want." That's a difficult thing to stick to. With the one meal a day thing I do, it's much easier for me to resist cravings throughout the day, as I know I will enjoy the satisfaction of a good meal that very night.

I get to stay lean without giving up one of the things that makes daily life bearable.
 
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