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The science of intermittent fasting

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  1. rclark

    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    Do you think Indian food is healthy for people because it's hard to digest? It doesn't stay
    in the body for a long time.

    Would that make it like calorie restriction? Or is the damage done once we over eat for a long
    period of time?

    Part of me wants to fast, but I'm borderline diabetic.

    I'm really concerned that if I do it, I will lower my metabolism down. Or is there no truth in that?
     
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    i think its very unhealthy Indian food.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    Why? It might be. Why do you say that?
     
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    Afro_Vacancy Senior Member My Regimen

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    What I've seen of Indian restaurants is that they use a huge amount of heated vegetable oils and simple carbs. As such the food is inflammatory, raises insulin, and overall not ideal. I think that Indian restaurants are for the most part enablers of diabetes. If you love Indian food and you want to be healthy, your only options are to either eat it much less often, or cook it at home in a manner that adjusts the recipes. When you cook it at home, you can restrict the carbohydrates/sugars, use better fats, and use more vegetables.

    There are good aspects to Indian food. For example ghee (clarified butter) is wonderful for heated foods, but it's expensive so I doubt Indian restaurants use it. Cauliflower, keffir, yogurt, etc are all wonderful. Stay away from the breads.

    Now with respect with your metabolism, total fasting (as in no calories consumed, but please take water) increases metabolism by about 10% within a few days. However, if you're consuming a small amount of carbs and proteins, you never get the metabolic advantages of fasting, your insulin doesn't drop and your human growth hormone doesn't rise, and thus your body cannot convert adipose fat into energy and your metabolism just drops. There are lots of studies which show that low-calorie diets just reduce metabolism.

    If you're pre-diabetic, here are two choices for you:

    1) Reduce simple sugars, eat more healthy fats instead like avocado, oily fish, nuts, olives, coconut, eggs, meat, etc, and do some exercise especially high-intensity cardio and resistance training;
    2) Do some long fasts, I suspect that 36 hours is the minimum for therapeutic advantages, as in eat a dinner on Saturday night and then eat a breakfast on Monday morning. 60 hours is better than 36, and 84 hours is better than 60 hours.

    1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive, but one may be easier for you due to psychological issues.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    What I do know is that white rice does cause diabetes, which is in Indian food, and a lot of
    Asian restaurants do carry white rice.. But so do a lot of things, like
    diet soft drinks (Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi).

    It's funny, I have friends with type two diabetes, which is reversible. And I think that it's
    because they have stationary jobs, which they do forty hours a week.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    Thank you. That's very good advice. Definitely going to try the two options above.
     
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    Afro_Vacancy Senior Member My Regimen

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    The rice used in Indian restaurants is typically basmati rice, as far as white rice goes it's actually one of the better ones. Given your current health state, you should avoid it, but once your health improves it's good for you to know that basmati rice is actually one of the better ones.

    Diet soda should be avoided. I now drink it less than once a month.
     
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    Afro_Vacancy Senior Member My Regimen

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    @JeanLucBB this was arguably the most useful post in this thread.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    This just in, intermittent fasting (six hundred calories a day) actually reverses type two diabetes!

    Was talking to a friend of mine who has that. He was telling it was not reversible, and I was fucked (I'm on
    my way, not there yet).

    We will see about that. I plan on

    1. Running (jogging) a half mile every day!

    2. Always taking the steps at work (I'm running them, and I have twelve flights of stairts, ten
    steps each (not big ones, third floor/ 120 steps).

    3. Eat GLUTEN FREE. That's right, I'm having Cheerios and Skim Milk for breakfast
    everyday.

    And, the best thing is, people DON'T NEED BARIATRIC SURGERY (OR ANY SURGERY) TO DO THIS!

    It's here: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/4/1047
     
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    @rclark you could eat organic black rice and cook with coco oil (which stays quite stable while heated). Also don't drink soda nor industrial/bottle orange juice.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    You're SO RIGHT about that Pasbrillantebrunette. But I love diet soft drinks,
    which have proven to be JUST AS BAD, if not worse in some ways.

    Easier said than done, I suppose. I cut them out, but not all of them.
     
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    SteveTabernack Experienced Member My Regimen

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    Not true crazy man
     
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    Afro_Vacancy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Aspartame is bad.
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    What are you talking about?

    Diet soda is just as shitty for you.

    There's a thin line between crazy and genius, if you know what I mean (maybe you don't).
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    Studies say otherwise: https://www.bu.edu/research/articles/soda-bad-for-brain/

    There's a lot more. The study above says people who use diet soft soft drinks have three times
    the chance of developing dementia/Alzheimer's than those who don't.
     
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    Afro_Vacancy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Longer fasts are better. There's a threshold where fasting improves a lot after ~18 hours, that means that in a 36 hour fast you get 18 hours of greatness, whereas in a 60-hour fast you get 42 hours of greatness. There's another threshold after 3 days.

    Regardless, if you want a relative reduction of organ fat, the following strategies will be effective:
    - Fasting regularly of any length, though longer is better. 36 hour fasts once a week will yield dividends after a couple months.
    - This also includes breaks between meals rather than constant snacking.
    - Resistance training and high-intensity interval training.
    - A diet that involves more complex carbs, fats, fiber, and fewer simple carbs and in particular less fructose. It's possible that fructose is much less bed when consumed with fiber.
    - Bonus: Have a little bit of vinegar prior to meals involving carbohydrates. Multiple studies have shown that it blunts and slows the insulin and glucose response to carb-rich meals.

    I'm currently on the third day of a fast, I have not eaten since Sunday night other than sparkling water, coffee, tea, and a bit of cream and lime juice for flavouring, I hope to go on until Friday. I'm mostly doing it for compensation as I have non-stop travelling and social events from Thanksgiving (a month ago) through to mid-February.
     
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    How much weight do you lost so far?

    I assume if u fast 36 once per week the weightloss wont be that dramatic? (Im not intending to lose much weight, 1-2 kg fat would be nice tho)
     
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    Oh and when you fast only drinking water/tea during this time is the most efficient way right? Compared to juice diat for example
     
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    My peak weight was 240 lbs, I started fasting around 200 lbs, now I'm 175 lbs. My fasting schedule is irregular, and I often eat badly when not fasting which should be my priority at this point.

    Water/tea/coffee/salt is likely most efficient, many people say only filtered water and maybe salt but I'm not convinced. A juice diet has different advantages. It loads you up on micronutrients, and it might be good for the digestive system. But a lot of people don't lose weight on it, or if they do it doesn't stay off.

    Recommendation to you: just do one 36-hour fast to see how it goes.

    For dinner, have a non-sugary, non-starchy meal, for example steak and Brussel sprouts, or salmon and broccoli, or eggs and avocado, whatever. If you're a vegan have beans, tofu, and spinach, or something. Then the next day consume nothing but water, sparkling water, tea, coffee, and then write down your experiences the day after when you have a normal breakfast.

    The first fast won't transform you physically, but you'll see how it affects you physically. Note that it's common to get tired the first time, your body isn't used it. Since you're athletic it shouldn't be so bad for you.
     

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