The Cure?

[bubka]

if there is higher male pattern baldness in japan, i would related it to higher stress jobs, and 2 atomic bombs dropped on the country, both of which we know cause hairloss and people still have above avg. cancer from it today...

try again...

It is probably strongly correlated with a high fat - high sugar - high protein diet.

Of course correlation is not causation.

thanks FOR THE EVIDENCE of higher male pattern baldness post WW2, and EVIDENCE of DIET again :lol: keep pulling stuff out of your butt

 

[wookster]

if there is higher male pattern baldness in japan, i would related it to higher stress jobs, and 2 atomic bombs dropped on the country, both of which we know cause hairloss and people still have above avg. cancer from it today...

try again...

It is probably strongly correlated with a high fat - high sugar - high protein diet.

Of course correlation is not causation.

thanks FOR THE EVIDENCE of higher male pattern baldness post WW2, and EVIDENCE of DIET again :lol: keep pulling stuff out of your butt

:freaked: :freaked: :freaked:

http://www.keratin.com/ac/ac007.shtml

Is androgenetic alopecia becoming more common?

It is practically impossible to answer this question. Very few in depth statistical evaluations have been conducted in the past or present to determine the true frequency of androgenetic alopecia in the general population. We have no firm evidence that androgenetic alopecia globally is on the increase. There has been a suggestion from Japanese researchers that androgenetic alopecia has increased in prevalence in Japan since the Second World War. This has been attributed to a “westernizationâ€￾ of the Japanese diet and increased meat intake although there is no conclusive proof for this statement. However, we do know there is a strong biochemical link between cholesterol concentrations in our bodies and androgen production. It may be possible that increased meat (saturated fat) intake promotes increased cholesterol levels and this ultimately affects androgen production.

 

[bubka]

"suggestion"

nice citations to the "researchers" and nice citations to the increase in male pattern baldness post ww2... try again, use some more :freaked: :freaked: :freaked: :freaked: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2: next time, it really helps make your point

plus meat intake and cholesterol depends on so many other factors, 80% of cholesterol is made by the body, not food, so genetics, what other food you eat with it, i mean this is so rudimentary and basic its pathetic...

 

[Guest]

"oh for christ's sake"(borrowing a bubka expression)

there are plenty of homeless people out there who eat out of dumpsters and have full heads of matted, unkempt hair.

 

[wookster]

"suggestion"

nice citations to the "researchers" and nice citations to the increase in male pattern baldness post ww2... try again, use some more :freaked: :freaked: :freaked: :freaked: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2: next time, it really helps make your point

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/200 ... /bald.html

The largest study to date concludes that male pattern baldness is associated with an increased risk for heart disease.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_54306

Baldness may be more than just a cosmetic indignity: it could be a marker of heart disease risk, especially in men with other risk factors such as high blood pressure or high cholesterol.

We can suggest that the same dietary factors that increase heart disease risk also increase the onset of male pattern baldness.

:freaked: :hairy: :freaked:

 

[bubka]

i know, some of those guys have the best hair too

i was at the beach over the summer and went crabbing and met a guy living under a bay side underpass, beautiful hair

wookiewannabe: i don't know if you know scientific logic, but A + B does not equal C without a specific study...

you have two different studies that are totally unrelated and have similar key words and think that means something???

i mean, I could then say that cholesterol clogged up coronary arteries (immune related) and because men with high risk of heart attack statistically have higher male pattern baldness, then might have clocked capillary vesicles from plaque caused by cholesterol, which is also auto immune related

this sounds good, but means queen dick

again, still waiting for stats on japan male pattern baldness rates post ww2, and how diet cures male pattern baldness too

 

[wookster]

"oh for christ's sake"(borrowing a bubka expression)

there are plenty of homeless people out there who eat out of dumpsters and have full heads of matted, unkempt hair.

We can suggest that homeless alcoholics have full heads of hair due to their consumption of phytoestrogens in bourbon and other drinks...


http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstrac ... 3?prt=true

Separation and identification of phytoestrogenic compounds isolated from bourbon.
Alcohol Alcohol Suppl. 1987; 1:551-5 (ISSN: 1358-6173)Rosenblum ER ; Van Thiel DH ; Campbell IM ; Eagon PK ; Gavaler JS
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, PA.

There is considerable evidence that several plant metabolites have estrogenic properties. Given that many alcoholic beverages are made from plants which have been shown to possess estrogenic activity, we considered the possibility that alcoholic beverages may contain estrogenically active substances. To evaluate this hypothesis we first extracted and then used gas chromatography/mass spectrometry to identify two phytoestrogens, biochanin A and beta-sitosterol in the bourbon extracts. Based on these findings we suggest that the feminization observed in chronic male alcoholics with liver disease may reflect, at least in part, the presence of biologically active phytoestrogens in the alcoholic beverages they consume.

PreMedline Identifier: 3426733

 

[bubka]

ok... lets just hope you are joking now

 

[wookster]

again, still waiting for stats on japan male pattern baldness rates post ww2, and how diet cures male pattern baldness too

That would be nice.

 

[wookster]

ok... lets just hope you are joking now

I hope you are not illiterate. No joke :x

 

[bubka]

yeah wookie, way to raise the dialog, when you actually prove a point and can back it up with something of any real substance, then give us a call

oh wait, here is your HEALTHYGUY website...

live to be "5,000" years old

http://www.healthy1.org/healthyguy.htm

 

[wookster]

yeah wookie, way to raise the dialog, when you actually prove a point and can back it up with something of any real substance, then give us a call

oh wait, here is your HEALTHYGUY website...

live to be "5,000" years old

http://www.healthy1.org/healthyguy.htm

This healthyguy person is most likely a fraud and con artist. But the question still remains, is there a link between autoimmune response and male pattern baldness?

 

[bubka]

yes, thats what in part causes the miniaturization...

but you related this then baseless to food, diet, cholesterol, among others with random websites and other reviews...

 

[Guest]

5000 years old? That's like older than Old Baldy. Wow sign me up for that sh*t.

 

[wookster]

yes, thats what in part causes the miniaturization...

but you related this then baseless to food, diet, cholesterol, among others with random websites and other reviews...

I am glad you have it all figured out :wink:

Insulin resistance could be related to diet, and baldness...

Cholesterol could be related to diet, and baldness...

 

[CCS]

wow this thread grew fast. I just read the quote, and it sounds like every other sales person ad I've read. Total scam.

 

[wookster]

An article about salt written by healthyguy

http://www.healthy1.org/199908_salt.htm

Interesting... ensativo:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/gra ... ase/115556

Refined salt is a chemical composed of 99.9 percent sodium chloride, and 0.1 percent additives. In the last half century, potassium iodide has been regularly added to refined salt to help prevent iodine deficiency. Aluminum and sugar are also added to help stabilize the product's composition and prevent caking. The 80 minerals found in sea salt, with proven health benefits, aren't found in refined salt.

Iodine deficiency is rarely seen today. At one time, glacial runoff caused deficiencies of iodine in glacial areas such as the Alps. The use of sea salt is the best way to prevent iodine deficiencies. However, refined salt, a chemical as clean as heroin or white sugar, is inexpensive to manufacture yet profitable for those who produce it. Refined salt is used as a preservative for processed, pre-packaged foods, adding months to the products shelf life.

Early on, however, scientists recognized that this unnatural form of iodine present in refined salt had the potential to cause problems. The body cannot handle refined salt in the same manner it handles sea salt. The kidneys have trouble metabolizing it and blood pressure rises. The thyroid gland is confused by its appearance and consequently forms thyroid antibodies. On top of this, the amount of unnatural iodine consumed in the United States far exceeds the minimum daily requirement.

 

[docj077]

An article about salt written by healthyguy

http://www.healthy1.org/199908_salt.htm

Interesting... ensativo:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/gra ... ase/115556

Refined salt is a chemical composed of 99.9 percent sodium chloride, and 0.1 percent additives. In the last half century, potassium iodide has been regularly added to refined salt to help prevent iodine deficiency. Aluminum and sugar are also added to help stabilize the product's composition and prevent caking. The 80 minerals found in sea salt, with proven health benefits, aren't found in refined salt.

Iodine deficiency is rarely seen today. At one time, glacial runoff caused deficiencies of iodine in glacial areas such as the Alps. The use of sea salt is the best way to prevent iodine deficiencies. However, refined salt, a chemical as clean as heroin or white sugar, is inexpensive to manufacture yet profitable for those who produce it. Refined salt is used as a preservative for processed, pre-packaged foods, adding months to the products shelf life.

Early on, however, scientists recognized that this unnatural form of iodine present in refined salt had the potential to cause problems. The body cannot handle refined salt in the same manner it handles sea salt. The kidneys have trouble metabolizing it and blood pressure rises. The thyroid gland is confused by its appearance and consequently forms thyroid antibodies. On top of this, the amount of unnatural iodine consumed in the United States far exceeds the minimum daily requirement.

Not to give that professional a punch in the face or anything, but the kidneys don't metabolize salt. They filter it and absorb it, or release it, in the urine by aldosterone influencing the the channels that move sodium across the kidney tubules. The absorption of salt is also influenced by the NKCC2 transport also found in the kidney tubules. There is no metabolizing salt only filtration of it.

 

[wookster]

Not to give that professional a punch in the face or anything, but the kidneys don't metabolize salt.

:salut: :salut: :salut:


This is the person who wrote the article in the second link:

http://www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/daisyelaine

Elaine Moore - Profile
I'm a medical technologist and medical writer with more than 30 years experience working in hospital laboratories. Currently, I work as a hospital laboratory supervisor in Colorado. I have a B.S. in Medical Technology from the University of Toledo and I attended graduate school at the University of Colorado.

Dr. Koop says:

http://www.drkoop.com/ency/93/002259.html

Metabolize

Definition:



Metabolism is the process of changing energy sources into energy. For example, food proteins are metabolized into energy or heat to be used or absorbed by the body.

ensativo:

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/organ/metabolism.htm

Organ: Metabolism
Metabolism: The various body chemical and hormonal processes
Introduction: Metabolism is the general term for a variety of chemical and hormonal processes that run our bodies. Processes that break down substances are called catabolism (or catabolic); processes that create things are called anabolism (or anabolic).

 

[docj077]

Exactly Wookie,

The kidneys don't breakdown or create more salt. Sodium chloride is water soluble, so it does not exist as sodium chloride in the body. It exists as sodium ions and chloride ions. Each ion is filtered, absorbed, or secreted by the kidneys individually.