Saw Palmetto again...

[TVTB]

Hi guys, just some help needed. Gonna try this stuff, have heard good and bad about it but...

Can you please tell me what 'standardized' means with these capsules. Holland & Barrett here in the UK offer one standardized and one not. The standardized is 320mg and says 'maximum strength'. The other one is 450mg but does not say maximum strength, just 2 twice a day. Surely that is the stronger one?

Also, what should you take with these things for boost. I just got their standard hair vits tablets.

Thanks

 

[Goingat20]

Hi guys, just some help needed. Gonna try this stuff, have heard good and bad about it but...

Can you please tell me what 'standardized' means with these capsules. Holland & Barrett here in the UK offer one standardized and one not. The standardized is 320mg and says 'maximum strength'. The other one is 450mg but does not say maximum strength, just 2 twice a day. Surely that is the stronger one?

Also, what should you take with these things for boost. I just got their standard hair vits tablets.

Thanks

dont bother with saw palmetto wont do nothing for your hair loss. Read up on propecia and the proven products....

 

[TVTB]

Can anyone answer the question?

Thanks.

Certain people swear by SP. Its not a brand, so I'm guessing they don't work for any company cashing in. Unlike, the usual suspects.. Procerin etc.

 

[HairlossTalk]

If that's your biggest argument against Propecia .... Minoxidil .... etc ... that there is a conspiracy out there by paid individuals of those companies .... to promote the products .... then ... well .... thats the fantasy world you've chosen to live in I guess

All joking aside my friend, people advise you away from saw palmetto for a reason.

On one hand you have a product with nearly 20 years of clinical proof and well over 10 published studies including a testing group of nearly 2,000 people showing that something works. Propecia.

On the other hand you have a product without a single successful study showing it does a thing for hair loss... but over 100 studies showing it works great for Prostate inflammation. That eliminates the conspiracy theory. Works great for prostates! Tons of data to prove it. Hair loss?

Ok... so you say you've seen a few people on hair loss forums claiming it works. Where are these people? Ive been running this site for over 6 years and I've seen only one guy claim the stuff worked for him and he was on Minoxidil at the time.

Despite all of this, some will still insist on ignoring the reality of things and will do their own thing... to the peril of their hair.

So to answer your questions.

You want to know why one says "2 twice a day" and "extra strength". These terms make me chuckle. Hmmmm. How did they decide on 2, twice a day. 2 twice a day to treat what condition? Hair loss? Prostate inflammation? What condition are they saying this is for?

With Propecia you've got a prescription, and a 1mg daily dose based on 10 years and billions of dollars of studies. But who needs all of that crap! You've got serenoa repins berries!

Saw Palmetto is a supplement used for everything from erection problems to prostate inflammation. So 2 twice a day ... Does it say hair loss on the bottle? If not ... how do you know you're taking enough?

Maybe hair loss needs 4 twice a day. Maybe you need the 320mg version you saw. Maybe only one a day? How can you know? You cant! Why? Because ... you cant! Nobody has a damn clue what does what with Saw Palmetto in regards to hair loss. They only know that in studies done on it, it did nothing. Do you enjoy literally stumbling around in the dark like that? I would rather bang my head against a wall!

Standardized or not standardized. Does it matter? Which one works best for hair loss? Standardized? Who knows? Not me. Not you. Not anyone.

So to answer your questions: Take whatever you want. 1mg or 450mg. Standardized or not. 2 twice a day or 40 once a day. None of it matters at all because you are working with 0 data and you have 0 reason to believe either one is better than the other for the treatment of hair loss.

Heck... since data means nothing, studies mean nothing, and billions of dollars and 10 years of research means nothing ... make up your own dosing schedule and ask the magic 8 ball whether to take standardized or non standardized.

Good luck.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[TVTB]

Im actually allergic to finasteride, which is why I asked the question in the first place. Is it not true that Propecia contains Saw Palmetto in the ingredients?

 

[oni]

Hahahahahaha this guy is a star in the making "allergic to finasteride" how do you know have you taken it and what was the reaction "Is it not true that Propecia contains Saw Palmetto in the ingredients?" lol! piss my pants lol!

 

[TVTB]

Delighted to have amused you, but they do say 'the least little things' huh.

I was quoting something I saw on a website.

"One particular ingredient of Propecia is Saw Palmetto. This is a multi-site inhibitor of DHT, and manages to block up to 50% of the DHT binding processes. It is believed that this ingredient along with Vitamin B6 and element Zinc is effective in reducing DHT activity."

If its not true all you have to do is say so, without being a patronising twat. Simple huh? Go dry your pants, theres a good girl.

 

[hellohello]

Uggh.. I think the site was probably refferring to Procerin not propecia.

HairLossTalk.com makes a damn fine point though :roll:

 

[HairlossTalk]

TV ...

1) If you're allergic to finasteride (I have no idea how this was determined), then you should be avoiding saw palmetto like the plague.

2) No. Saw Palmetto is not an ingredient in Finasteride.

3) You probably did read this on a procerin web site. There are more than a few of them that have blatant misinformation on them regarding Propecia... and I think an ingredient in Procerin is saw palmetto.

4) There are a lot of potential treatments for you aside from Finasteride that actually have some good logical reasons why they could help hair loss. Please read about them on these two pages:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/me ... nt1men.htm
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/research/me ... nt2men.htm

In addition to this list is: Topical Spironolactone 5%.

Good Luck and please remember to research before you buy.

HairLossTalk.com

 

[TVTB]

I went for a bloodtest after seeing a Trichologist who said I couldn't take the Propecia, and someone there who did some allergy tests on me suggested I stay away from it.

Here is the page in question that obviously has their info totally wrong. You can see the paragraph that shows what i was referring to here.

http://www.always-health.com/useofpropecia.html

"One particular ingredient of Propecia is Saw Palmetto....." Interesting to know who they let loose on writing mis-information!

Thanks you for your help by the way.

 

[Administrator]

They are mistaken.

Admin

 

[TVTB]

Out of interest hair transplant why are you on the spironolactone as opposed to the Propecia, or have you been on it before. (Apologies if you have been over it before. I assume you have done propecia previously)

And lastly, why do most on here rave about Propecia if your reviews says Dutasteride is better. Wouldn't everyone take the dutasteride if its 50% better regrowth than Propecia. Just wondered...

 

[hair_tomorrow]

> , , , "One particular ingredient of Propecia is Saw Palmetto. This is a multi-site inhibitor of DHT, and manages to block up to 50% of the DHT binding processes. It is believed that this ingredient along with Vitamin B6 and element Zinc is effective in reducing DHT activity." , , ,

If you want to go that route in a topical format - try Super ZIX.

http://www.advinfoprod.com/hair_loss_treatment_2.htm


> . . . And lastly, why do most on here rave about Propecia if your reviews says Dutasteride is better. Wouldn't everyone take the dutasteride if its 50% better regrowth than Propecia. Just wondered...

The general consensus seems to be that because propecia will work wonders in many instances - it should be the first choice before dutasteride. Also, if propecia doesn't work for you - there's a good chance that dutasteride will. So dutasteride is a good fall back position. I'm also fairly certain that if you're prone to negative side effects on propecia - that you can also expect to get them on dutasteride - and they might even be worse than propecia. So, propecia first - dutasteride second.

 

[TVTB]

Thanks for that. What is your experience of ZIX?

 

[hair_tomorrow]

Thanks for that. What is your experience of ZIX?

2nd hand mostly. I always liked the way it sounded, the price, the fact that it has helped some people, and more and more often I'm reading that a zinc / b6 combo should hold great potential for your hair regrowth.

Last year, I opted for Revivogen instead - which you'd think would work better because it has more ingredients and is produced in a more controlled environment - but after 9 months of that I found it didn't help.

I don't why - possibly because there's more and more talk about the zinc / b6 combo, but 2 weeks ago I went to the vendors's sites listed in the zix site above, and purchased the b6 capsules, and the saw palmetto and polysoprbate 80 (hit a 3 for 1 sale on those items - I'm set for life).

I didn't use the zix or superzix recipe as presented - but I took 10 of the b6 tabs and mixed them into a bottle of head and shoulders which is zix based - voila, zix shampoo.

I poured 60 ml of the polysorbate 80 into an old 60 ml minoxidil bottle into which I added 5 tabs of saw palmetto.

I apply the polysorbate 80 (which already contained niacin and biotin) and now Saw Palmetto in the mornings for about 10 minutes prior to shampooing. And then every 3rd day I shampoo w/ my zix shampoo.

It's only been 2 weeks on this version of SuperZix - and all I can say now is that it hasn't hurt none.

 

[TVTB]

Wow, I admire that dedication to the cause! Oral SP doesn't do much it has to be said. But as for that and a B complex too, I've never not swallowed that stuff. as opposed to applying it. What role does the polysoprbate have? Would have been happy if the SP just stopped the fall, let alone regrow, but doesn't even do that.

The NOURKRIN has an interesting take, instead of the usual SP plus stinging nettles it looks pretty fish based. £50 UK, for just one 30 day supply. Don't know if anyones ever tried it though.

Do you rate the Tricomin spray?

If we are not lucky enough to get regrowth. (My hairdresser says once the follicle is dead that's yer lot!) Don't know how true that really is. Some must be lucky. But just to stop it.. whats best. I got something called Aminexil which they say stops fall out... Who knows, I've not used it yet. And it was really expensive. Know about that one?

 

[hair_tomorrow]

Wow, I admire that dedication to the cause! Oral SP doesn't do much it has to be said. But as for that and a B complex too, I've never not swallowed that stuff. as opposed to applying it. What role does the polysoprbate have? Would have been happy if the SP just stopped the fall, let alone regrow, but doesn't even do that.

The NOURKRIN has an interesting take, instead of the usual SP plus stinging nettles it looks pretty fish based. £50 UK, for just one 30 day supply. Don't know if anyones ever tried it though.

Do you rate the Tricomin spray?

If we are not lucky enough to get regrowth. (My hairdresser says once the follicle is dead that's yer lot!) Don't know how true that really is. Some must be lucky. But just to stop it.. whats best. I got something called Aminexil which they say stops fall out... Who knows, I've not used it yet. And it was really expensive. Know about that one?

The polysorbate80 (don't quote me) is supposedly a dht inhibitor, a scalp/sebum cleanser, and a vehicle which allows other topicals to better penetrate the follicle. Actually - i just needed a vehicle for the topical saw - and polysorbate seemed to fit the bill OK.

I give the Tricomin Therapy Spray a "10" for user friendliness. Can't say that's been a miracle after 2.5 months though. I'll keep w/ it.

I never used the topical aminexil ampules - But I have used a bottle here and there of Dercos shampoo which contained aminexil as an ingredient. No miracle there either.

Keep the faith.

 

[mvpsoft]

And lastly, why do most on here rave about Propecia if your reviews says Dutasteride is better. Wouldn't everyone take the dutasteride if its 50% better regrowth than Propecia. Just wondered...

dutasteride has a higher incidence of sexual side effects. Also, for some of us, it dried out our skin. In my case, I am sure of this, because I tried dutasteride twice, and both times my skin was abnormally dry after three weeks of taking dutasteride. Once I stopped, my skin returned to normal in about 10 days.

 

[TVTB]

My hairdresser sold me a 6 week supply of the L'Oreal Keristase L'Aminexil which comes in this long silver box and it was £100 GB. I wish I had done a search for it on here prior. The feedback is very negative. I am friends with 2 of the people who work there so it was nothing to them if i bought it, and they did know of several people that swear by it. You do have to ask yourself whether their hair loss would have stopped anyway though. They say prevention better than the cure huh, so Im guessing the satisfied Aminexil customers were very early stages. Thanks hair transplant, let me know what works the best for you and if Tricomin doesn't shed like the Aminexil supposedly does.

Mvpsoft, thanks for that info, I'd often wondered why it was favoured, now I know.

Just been reading on another forum that the only thing that guaranteed this guy's hair loss to stop was to cut out ever using shampoo!! Hes gone 2 years of not using shampoo!! :freaked2: You ever tried getting spray and product out of your hair without shampoo?? Hideous!

 

[DonaldAnderson]

thats quite a regimen there mvpsoft.