receding hairline
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even if it does, it will be temporary unless you use finasteride.
Your hair looks good. You are catching it extremely early. It is just barely thinning, and maybe is 1/16 or 1/8 inch receded. You can regrow that. Just use a combo. Even just get on finasteride and there is a good chance you will keep what you have. propecia is not as strong in the front as in the back, but if you don't have aggressive hairl loss it may be fine.
Your hair looks good. You are catching it extremely early. It is just barely thinning, and maybe is 1/16 or 1/8 inch receded. You can regrow that. Just use a combo. Even just get on finasteride and there is a good chance you will keep what you have. propecia is not as strong in the front as in the back, but if you don't have aggressive hairl loss it may be fine.
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jay2K6 said:
Ask your doctor this, not just people from this forum
That way, you'll not only be getting an expert opinion, but you're mind will be at rest.
However, if your doctor is a quack or a unempathetic fellow (the word dermatologist springs to mind...
) we can help you out. However, definately see a Doctor, and take the figures college comes up with with a large grain of salt.
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I had receding hairline like yours and started finasteride when i was 22. While i didn't really get regrowth, I managed to slow the recession enough that I pretty much maintained my hair for the next 6 years. No sides and pretty much easy routine, just one propecia per day that was it! Easy, safe and effective. Not the cheapest thing in the world but if you like you hair then believe me its sooooo worth it.
I started to decline a bit recently and have added minoxidil and spironolactone to my routine, but man 6 years is a long time, so just get on propecia now, 1 pill per day equals 1mg finasteride per day. Its your best bet and will buy you time and hopefully HM (or some other effective treatment) will be out and affordable by the time you reach my age (29).
I started to decline a bit recently and have added minoxidil and spironolactone to my routine, but man 6 years is a long time, so just get on propecia now, 1 pill per day equals 1mg finasteride per day. Its your best bet and will buy you time and hopefully HM (or some other effective treatment) will be out and affordable by the time you reach my age (29).
I agree. Take 1mg per day, at least until you thicken just a bit. You can take 0.5 if you want. It really won't make that much of a difference. Talk to your doctor like Felk said. Your doctor should tell you propecia is safe, and if not, then your Doctor is an a**. Only a small fraction of doctors are against Propecia. Ask for a prescription for generic proscar (5mg instead of 1mg of active ingredient, same manufacturer, different purpose), and tell your doctor you will cut it in fourths with a pill cutter ($5) and take 4 every 5 days or one every day. That is $6 per month for the same exact benifits and safety as propecia.
To get a prescription for 30 proscar every 4 or 5 months, copy and paste the following into Word, print, and give it to your doctor:
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When people take propecia, maximum blood concentration of the active ingredient finasteride is reached in 2 hours and then drops off quickly and is near zero in 2-3 days after a single dose. Since blood concentrations vary so much anyway, it does not matter if you cut the pill perfectly. And since DHT levels take several days to return to normal after a single dose because most of the 5-alpha-reductase is gone and takes time to rebuild, the day you miss is not an issue.
Also, you can take 1.25 mg/day if you want. Incidences of side effects will be almost no different. When Merk chose a dose for Propecia, they found that 0.2mg/day regrows 82% as much hair as 1mg/day, which regrows 83% as much hair as 5mg/day.
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Take what Felk says with a grain of salt. He's been afraid to start propecia or rogaine because he thinks his hair will get dependent on it. His hair has thinned a lot, and now he is more desperate to try stuff, but he still cautions people to hesitate about propecia. Don't let that happen to you. Many people on this sight wish they had started finasteride and minoxidil sooner.
$6 each.
To get a prescription for 30 proscar every 4 or 5 months, copy and paste the following into Word, print, and give it to your doctor:
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When people take propecia, maximum blood concentration of the active ingredient finasteride is reached in 2 hours and then drops off quickly and is near zero in 2-3 days after a single dose. Since blood concentrations vary so much anyway, it does not matter if you cut the pill perfectly. And since DHT levels take several days to return to normal after a single dose because most of the 5-alpha-reductase is gone and takes time to rebuild, the day you miss is not an issue.
Also, you can take 1.25 mg/day if you want. Incidences of side effects will be almost no different. When Merk chose a dose for Propecia, they found that 0.2mg/day regrows 82% as much hair as 1mg/day, which regrows 83% as much hair as 5mg/day.
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Take what Felk says with a grain of salt. He's been afraid to start propecia or rogaine because he thinks his hair will get dependent on it. His hair has thinned a lot, and now he is more desperate to try stuff, but he still cautions people to hesitate about propecia. Don't let that happen to you. Many people on this sight wish they had started finasteride and minoxidil sooner.
$6 each.
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collegechemistrystudent said:
Ok, you seriously need to slow down college. You work off assumptions, and jump to so many conclusions and then state them as fact.
For one thing, I have started propecia. I used it for a month, but had to stop due to a very painful side effect. As for rogaine, the main reason I am hesitant about starting it is that I want to stop my hair loss first, not mask it with a temporary offset of regrowth. however, due to my impatience, i will probably just start it and hope for the best that my other treatments cover DHT without finasteride.
Also, I do not tell people not to start propecia. I have a very positive attitude towards the drug. Check out the post where Aplunk, PowerSam, stax and I discussed finasteride and dutasteride's safety. We gave many sound medical reasons in our arguments as to why it was safe. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Also, I said take the figures you come up with with a grain of salt. If you look at my posts, I have often thanked you for all the research you have done. My problem is how you state it as fact, when it is not.
bryan said:
This is pretty much what I'm getting at here. I'm not trying to denegrate you or anything, I just don't want uneducated readers in these forums thinking they can take your advice as if it were a doctor's.
Also a specific thing I disagree with is how you recommend people to use both finasteride and dutasteride, which is definately not proven safe. Please stop recommending this.
Take care.
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i go to my derm again on thurs. i'm on propecia now and i'm going to try to get a prescription for avodart. If I get it, i'm going to take my propecia every day and take .5 mg dutasteride every day. If he gives me the prescrip, i'll keep you all updated about side effects, progress, and whatnot.
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...well college? Would you like to reply to my post, and either apologise for attacking the credibility of what I say, or at least tell me we're your coming from with all that stuff about not believing my advice?
I didn't question the general credibility of your advice, I simply said to take the figures you come up with with a grain of salt. This is obvious, as they are far from proven. This was no attack on your credibility.
Anyway i said this and more in the post on the previous page, so I won't go over it again.
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ps: please don't make up reasons for why I tell people to caution taking finasteride (which, for the record, I don't) or why I am afraid to start it (when I actually have started it) or bring in irrelavant personal details such as the bad state of my hair into the mix (which is actually still good)
I didn't question the general credibility of your advice, I simply said to take the figures you come up with with a grain of salt. This is obvious, as they are far from proven. This was no attack on your credibility.
Anyway i said this and more in the post on the previous page, so I won't go over it again.
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ps: please don't make up reasons for why I tell people to caution taking finasteride (which, for the record, I don't) or why I am afraid to start it (when I actually have started it) or bring in irrelavant personal details such as the bad state of my hair into the mix (which is actually still good)
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collegechemistrystudent said:
good post. college, when wud u suggest is the most likely time to witness finasteride side effects? almost straight away?
Felk. Sorry I said you recommended people not to take finasteride. I was mistaken on that part. If i remember the last page right you have been off finasteride for a month. I have been on this site for only a month, so I think that is why i thought you were affraid of the drug. i've read many posts where you said you did not want to get on it and were researching many topicals. i looked back at your post and you recommended he see a doctor to put his mind at ease. when i first read it i thought you were saying he should see a doctor because my facts can't be trusted. I was bothered by that because I know that a small percentage of doctors think finasteride is dangerous and won't prescribe it, and I did not want the newbie getting led a stray by that.
I still disagree that minoxidil does not repair hair as well as temporarily lengthen it. I agree that most of the hair regrowth from minoxidl is just a multiplier effect and goes away quickly upon sessation, but i also believe that minoxidil does repair or at least protect blood vessels from immune system attack. For that reason, I think you are making a mistake by not starting it sooner, since finasteride does not protect you completely from DHT.
As for my recommending BOTH finasteride and dutasteride, I was not recommending newbies to use a full dose of both. I was recommending them to use a much smaller but still effective dose of REAL, trusted finasteride from their doctor, as a back up while taking dutasteride bought overseas, in case the dutasteride is fake. The advice was for people considering dutasteride. I wanted to make sure they did not spend years on a fake, and they already said they can't afford name brand Avodart in their country. The two drugs do not have interactions, and I am recommending only 3x per week use of dutasteride, and I am using this myself and know it is safe.
I still disagree that minoxidil does not repair hair as well as temporarily lengthen it. I agree that most of the hair regrowth from minoxidl is just a multiplier effect and goes away quickly upon sessation, but i also believe that minoxidil does repair or at least protect blood vessels from immune system attack. For that reason, I think you are making a mistake by not starting it sooner, since finasteride does not protect you completely from DHT.
As for my recommending BOTH finasteride and dutasteride, I was not recommending newbies to use a full dose of both. I was recommending them to use a much smaller but still effective dose of REAL, trusted finasteride from their doctor, as a back up while taking dutasteride bought overseas, in case the dutasteride is fake. The advice was for people considering dutasteride. I wanted to make sure they did not spend years on a fake, and they already said they can't afford name brand Avodart in their country. The two drugs do not have interactions, and I am recommending only 3x per week use of dutasteride, and I am using this myself and know it is safe.
within 2 hours, though some people take up to 2 months. or perhaps some people's side effects go away if they continue two months. Don't stay on it longer than that if you are impotent or have nipple pain. I don't know if ignoring side effects can affect fertility. but if 2 months caused permanant damage, Merk would not say on TV that side effects go away in 2 months. most of the enzyme that makes DHT is shut down in 2 hours, and the liver metabolizes the rest of the DHT fast. appearantly androgens are recycled fast in the human body, so if you shut down their production, their numbers drop fast.
but gyno takes several months to develop. very rarely some people's liver can't handle the finasteride. a blood test can determine this in advance. I heard it is 1 in 1000,000, but that number is so common I wonder if it is the actual number. your odds of dying in a car crash are 100x greater than that, at least in the US.
but gyno takes several months to develop. very rarely some people's liver can't handle the finasteride. a blood test can determine this in advance. I heard it is 1 in 1000,000, but that number is so common I wonder if it is the actual number. your odds of dying in a car crash are 100x greater than that, at least in the US.
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collegechemistrystudent said:
Thanks for that college, good to have things cleared up. I didnt say to see a doctor because your facts specifically cant be trusted, but more because advice from a medical professional is better than off the internet. I mean, we're priveleged with a great site here... but what if someone stumbled across a scam site, and saw the top 3 treatments rated as "P-r-oc-erin, p-rov-illus, pro-cede" Thats why medical pros are necessary, even if some are quacks.
As for minoxidil's effects, im sure what you say about the immune system's attacks are true, but all the published medical studies show that upon cessation of minoxidil, all hairs regrown on minoxidil are lost. So in that way one does become "dependent" upon it, wouldn't you say?
I am going to start minoxidil. Very soon, im just making sure this pain im experiencing is definately from finasteride (which it is... i've restarted it 3 times...) However im still a little afraid of everything else i use topically not helping me to maintain.
Dr Proctor often warns patients that "minoxidil may stop working after 3-4 years" Bryan says that if you only use minoxidil your male pattern baldness will eventually overtake its effect, so he would agree with doctor p on that score. Im just hoping my other things are effective.