Puretech Health - Half Year Report - 08/30/2017

[Kev123]

If Tsuji does come to fruitation in 2020 its too bad Follica wont be much competition. In theory it would be released at about the time Tsujis therapy is starting to spread.

Depends how accessible is tsuji's therapy to the normal guy. Follica, if it works and word spreads, could very well be more popular than tsuji until that therapy becomes more readily accessible to more people.

 

[That Guy]

Why would this not happen with Follica? I don't know about you but just to get a check up from a derm it take me like 3 months and they look at me 3 minutes tell me "ah what rotten luck" and kick me out

Follica is literally a doctor going over your scalp with a fancy pen full of needles; probably takes five minutes and then you're sent on your way with the at-home regimen and set up your account for delivery of more supplies.

They could treat dozens of people in a day and the company will make their money in the at-home part of the therapy. This is simple enough to become an everyday thing.

Tsuji, you'll have to book an appointment, wait until that appointment for your biopsy/punch, wait until both the cells from the biopsy are cultivated AND the surgeon has an available slot to spend the hours it will likely take (remember that the treatment will not be automated in the beginning) to implant the primordial follicles.

 

[Christian Miller]

Slight correction; Tsuji's team has their sights set on 2020, not 2018. Difference of 2 years, but still worth pointing out.

Another aspect that people forget is that, and this is the only "marketing noise" they've really made, is the announcement of their partnership with the electronics company, Kyocera.

"Tsuji" is a business deal between 3 companies, and the more companies in a business deal, the greater the potential for one not keeping up their end of the deal (Replicel & Shiseido) and dragging everything down for years.

There are a lot of "what ifs" at play. What if their cell culturing technique doesn't work for human cells? What if there is some other technological setback? What if one company pulls out of the deal? What if one lags behind? Etc.

and these kinds of problems happen literally every day and this deal is far from immune to it.

That is what I call a massive change of heart.
That IS a one-eighty degree change!!!

Weren't you the one who would attack viciously anybody who expressed any doubt about Tsuji's deed?
Weren't you the one who believed the treatment would be out in 2020, just because the collaboration team said so?
Weren't you the one who attacked anyone who said that, even if the technology works out, it won't be available en masse for a couple of years, at least?
Weren't you the one who dissed on Follica?

Still, the same f-ing dreadful attitude.
I'm pretty damn sure that, even if you had your hair back, no-one in real life would really like you.
I bet you have no friends.

Fix your attitude, dude.
Fix your f-ing attitude.

 

[rupture]

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this IS the hairloss industry

 

[That Guy]

Weren't you the one who would attack viciously anybody who expressed any doubt about Tsuji's deed?

I don't doubt Tsuji's "deed"

Weren't you the one who believed the treatment would be out in 2020, just because the collaboration team said so?

I do believe they will probably meet their 2020 goal

Weren't you the one who attacked anyone who said that, even if the technology works out, it won't be available en masse for a couple of years, at least?

Kind of. I wanted to wait until we had word from the team themselves.

You can pinpoint the exact shift in my opinion on this to last year when the interview happened.

Weren't you the one who dissed on Follica?

Maybe, I recall Swoop moreso being the one outright "dissing" Follica. I didn't know much about them, they seemed like an inactive company, etc.

I'm pretty damn sure that, even if you had your hair back, no-one in real life would really like you.

Still have almost all of my hair lol and the community seems to be in general agreement that you're an annoying douche.

I bet you have no friends.

I bet you've never seen a naked woman who wasn't either related to you or without a name ending in .jpg

Fix your attitude, dude.
Fix your f-ing attitude.

No.

 

[Christian Miller]

I don't doubt Tsuji's "deed"



I do believe they will probably meet their 2020 goal



Kind of. I wanted to wait until we had word from the team themselves.

You can pinpoint the exact shift in my opinion on this to last year when the interview happened.



Maybe, I recall Swoop moreso being the one outright "dissing" Follica. I didn't know much about them, they seemed like an inactive company, etc.



Still have almost all of my hair lol and the community seems to be in general agreement that you're an annoying douche.



I bet you've never seen a naked woman who wasn't either related to you or without a name ending in .jpg



No.

On ignore, henceforth.
Bye!!!

 

[hanginginthewire]

Comparing Follica to Tsuji is a mistake; one not only works but will be released, while the other is still in efficacy trials and there is nothing to suggest they are getting ready for market (if they really thought 2018 was realistic, we'd see them making the same marketing noises as Follica has).

Wait, sorry to be so dense but I'm confused as to which is which in what you are saying. Which is the one that "not only works, but will be released..." and how do you know that? Or why do you say it?

 

[nameless]

That is what I call a massive change of heart.
That IS a one-eighty degree change!!!

Weren't you the one who would attack viciously anybody who expressed any doubt about Tsuji's deed?
Weren't you the one who believed the treatment would be out in 2020, just because the collaboration team said so?
Weren't you the one who attacked anyone who said that, even if the technology works out, it won't be available en masse for a couple of years, at least?
Weren't you the one who dissed on Follica?

Still, the same f-ing dreadful attitude.
I'm pretty damn sure that, even if you had your hair back, no-one in real life would really like you.
I bet you have no friends.

Fix your attitude, dude.
Fix your f-ing attitude.

You're right about his attitude. His attitude is sh*t. He'll say any ole sh*t to make himself feel better.

He's got a bias. He knows he won't be able to afford Tsuji's treatment so he badmouths it. He knows Follica will be a lot cheaper. He figures he'll be able to afford Follica so he overstates how good Follica will be. It's like when we were all 16 years old the looker guys who got women easy would say nice things about women but the ugly guys who couldn't get women would badmouth women. That Guy can't afford the trip to Japan, the hotel, and the treatment for Tsuji, so he knows he can't afford to buy it, so he's devaluing it.

Check this out - Follica just told us that their treatment won't be coming to market as soon as everyone hoped and he says that's no big deal. We all thought Follica would come to market a year and a half or so before Tsuji but now it looks like Follica might come out less than a year before Tsuji, or even AFTER Tsuji. And in his view everything in Follicaland is still hunky dory.

And then there's the issue that Follica seems somewhat less certan now since they really have to go through two studies before marketing, which makes it seem like Follica still has a lot to prove. And this isn't worrisome to him. I've lost a lot of confidence in Follica. I'm no longer sure that Follica will beat Tsuji to market and I'm not sure anymore that Follica will be the breakthrough I previously thought it would be. Follica feels more iffy now.

 

[hanginginthewire]

I don't doubt Tsuji's "deed"



I do believe they will probably meet their 2020 goal


Kind of. I wanted to wait until we had word from the team themselves.

You can pinpoint the exact shift in my opinion on this to last year when the interview happened.



Maybe, I recall Swoop moreso being the one outright "dissing" Follica. I didn't know much about them, they seemed like an inactive company, etc.



Still have almost all of my hair lol and the community seems to be in general agreement that you're an annoying douche.



I bet you've never seen a naked woman who wasn't either related to you or without a name ending in .jpg



No.

But....do you doubt Tsuji's seed????

 

[nameless]

But....do you doubt Tsuji's seed????

He's just talking sh*t. He knows he won't be able to afford Tsuji so he's devaluing it. He knows he would be able to afford Follica so he's singing the praises of Follica. He's not talking from his head; he's talking from his wallet.

 

[H]

Follica is literally a doctor going over your scalp with a fancy pen full of needles

I don't see what the hype is all about then we can do this already people are doing this already Follica is just commercialization and putting a name on it to make money then. Your basically waiting for the aftercare product and unless these compound substances they are making are game changers minoxidil is already out.

probably takes five minutes and then you're sent on your way

I believe we had a discussion about this before only about Tsuji and you said why would they do more if they are already making lots of money 4 or 5 treatments a day can make more then enough. People don't want to work more then they have to. Do you remember that conversation? Dermatologists have more patients then this and if Follica comes out and is routine procedure the minority of clinics that offer this in the beginning are going to be quite full wouldn't you think? The same can be applied to both Follica and Tsuji. Multiple wounding session will be most likely mandatory for the best results and all of this is cosmetic and will most likely 've paid out of pocket just like Tsuji. So Follicas not really a knight in shining armor really were fucked either way I just find more comfort in a one time transplant done forever cure. To me you don't sound like your as progressed as I am just a little recession and Follica may be a game changer for you and that's really good. I believe though that you may have to still maintain these new hair follicles or those old ones and have a solid maintainance regime that takes care over many years otherwise you will still progress and thin all the same. If you are banking Shiseido providing this convenient no problems maintainance therapy that will cost more money is in Asia and provides another unpredictable variable into the equation.

 

[mdmnota]

There is still Replicel and Kerastem for the short term. One of them could hit the market in 2018.

I admit that I thought that Follica would be marketed in late 2018 and now I think it will be late 2019 at the earliest.

Follica doesn't exist. They are a joke just like Histogen.

 

[That Guy]

On ignore, henceforth.
Bye!!!

Thank god

You're right about his attitude. His attitude is sh*t. He'll say any ole sh*t to make himself feel better.

I feel pretty damn good, actually; a lot better than when I joined here. A few months over a year since starting the big 3, my hair has improved a lot and no side effects, making more money than I think I ever have been, etc.

You, on the other hand, still seem to be as miserable as ever; flip flopping constantly on whether or not you're going to be cured of both hairloss and old age and destroying 22-year-old vaginas at clubs in the next 3 years, or if it's all for not and you'll wind up dying alone.

He's got a bias. He knows he won't be able to afford Tsuji's treatment so he badmouths it.

Motherfucker, you have no room to criticize anyone on this topic lol.

A few months ago, you're were making threads and screaming at everyone about Tsuji and the "inductivity problem" for like a month straight. I said calm tf down and wait because they say their research has shown them a solution.

Now that Tsuji said in an email that said results are awaiting publication, you're all in again lol

TBH, if they do wind up charging per graft like a transplant, I probably could afford that.

But I'm not going to wait for it, cheaper options that would meet my needs would be available before then, highly likely to wind up on a waiting list, and that's all assuming it works and arrives on time.

Tell me, what are you going to do if it doesn't pan out? Or don't, I don't actually care what happens to you.

 

[That Guy]

I believe we had a discussion about this before only about Tsuji and you said why would they do more if they are already making lots of money 4 or 5 treatments a day can make more then enough. People don't want to work more then they have to. Do you remember that conversation? Dermatologists have more patients then this and if Follica comes out and is routine procedure the minority of clinics that offer this in the beginning are going to be quite full wouldn't you think?

Dermatologists (who don't double as transplant surgeons) treat multiple skin problems per patient regardless.

"Sir, I see that along with your blackheads I'm recommending this topical cream for, that your hairline is receding. Can I interest you in a solution for that? It will only take a couple minutes, I can send you on your way with the at-home kit and smartphone alarm app and your hair will be right as "RAIN" in six months time?"

Whereas hair transplantation is an expensive, labor-intensive process.

 

[MrV88]

While I do hope Follica turns out to be everything you want them to be, most of these are assumptions. Let's take a look.

Now I believe you say this because in-home would be less of a hassle then it being completely in-office totally understand. The thing I think about is that this is dermarolling and some type of min compound to our knowledge right now this is what its based on. We can maybe assume maybe that on average you will get roughly results like the dhurat study hopefully but there's no guarantees and we have dermarolling and minoxidil right now and this site is still active as ever. Alot of people may need more hair then this could provide and some people hate min for itchiness, irritation, or whatever their reasons they will tread lightly.

In my opinion for the treatment alone its going to be expensive but I don't think it's going to be outrageous. One may say "well they can charge whatever they want they're the only thing to come out in 30 years", "there will be multiple trips to the clinic", "they could only have a few customers a day and still make bank by charging alot", every single one of these applies to Follica also.

Why would this not happen with Follica? I don't know about you but just to get a check up from a derm it take me like 3 months and they look at me 3 minutes tell me "ah what rotten luck" and kick me out. Follica whatever it entails I am sure will take longer and IF it were to be spectacular regrowth which it could be (idk how they are optimizing it but all we have to fall back on relatively is dermarolling we've seen) and worth most baldness sufferers time and that includes all types and stages then we are going to see a waiting list all the same as Tsuji. Also just like Tsuji it will take time for it to spread across the country and have many trained dermatologists covering the therapy. If only 20 are certified think of the waiting list then. Some wont even be interested they have other focuses and that's if it doesn't just produce sparse diffuse hair and is significant. Hell if people can settle for a little hair here and there, if that's what happens, with that's scenarios waiting list we are still fucked.

We actually don't have any solid for sure guarantee Follica is going to happen either its a probability but not a guarantee. It really doesn't mean anything but Ive heard of Kyocera and Riken there work and products on the mainstream for years before this ailment even afflicted me. I found out about little Puretech by digging through here... I have a little more interest in Riken and Kyocera.
I hope it does work out for you man and many others but I just don't think it's going to turn the tides of hair loss at least not for me and others like me or close to my perspective.

Oh but I do agree the traveling to Japan for the entirety of the Tsuji treatment would be a b**ch that idk how people will swing that

İf you live in Europe it doesn't matter if you have to fly to Japan for Tsuji or to the US for Follica, either way you have to fly multiple times. Tsuji twice and Follica maybe every 1-2 years for another session. Both won't come to Europe immediately, so still fuckked up traveling costs.

 

[MomoGee]

This is like falling *** first on to a cactus. F***!!

Fidia will be the final spark I need. If the endless loop of delayed studies is announced with them too then it is time I pull up the Gillette blades.

 

[sunchyme1]

then it is time I pull up the Gillette blades.

for your head or your wrists?

 

[MomoGee]

for your head or your wrists?

Definitely head. I have less than 20 hairs per cm2 and my whole scalp is fucked at only 21 but I (hopefully) will never consider suicide.

Sure it helps with women now at the age of 21 when you are a horny AF. But I doubt women in their late 20s and early 30s give a sh*t. There's stuff like academic and financial success, body, and personality that I can work on for now.

 

[sunchyme1]

Definitely head. I have less than 20 hairs per cm2 and my whole scalp is fucked at only 21 but I (hopefully) will never consider suicide.

Sure it helps with women now at the age of 21 when you are a horny AF. But I doubt women in their late 20s and early 30s give a sh*t. There's stuff like academic and financial success, body, and personality that I can work on for now.

i was only joking man.

just some dark humor to start the day

nice attitude though. ill be buzzing soon myself

 

[Rolandconil]

This is like falling *** first on to a cactus. F***!!

Fidia will be the final spark I need. If the endless loop of delayed studies is announced with them too then it is time I pull up the Gillette blades.

my first hope was a follica, as well as known dermatologists work in this company. But the follica belongs to puretech. I understand that this company does not have a single released product - only research and reports, reports, reports ...... investors, money ...
follica has many patents, in these patents there is a lot of text. For these patents it was already possible to create a nuclear bomb.