Propecia twice a week?

[Petchsky]

Don't see why do u want to low the dose, because of the sides or economical reason. I've been using 0.25mg every day and i still get sides two weeks i'm off finasteride the testicular pain is gone.

Bryan what are your prediction about good dht blocker on the market much more safer than the ones that we have.

Everything that blocks DHT can you give side effects =/

Topical DHT blocker is the answer i guess, for example about RU i've never read bad stories about the sides from it. Also topical spironolactone can't give you sides like taking in oral. Not telling that they are more effective but i guess we need blocker that can do the same job as finasteride but without sides.

Hey Kento,

I'd consider taking proxiphen and alternating it with either revivogen or prox n, Dr Proctors other product, while also taking saw palmetto. I'm getting off finasteride soon and this is the regimen i'm going to follow, might be worthwhile considering. Proxiphen contains minoxidil, spironolactone, nano, SOD, Nitric oxide etc...

edit2add - i'm also going to continue using copper peptides, nizoral, nano shampoo, jason's thin to thick shampoo, ultra natural prostate formula -->http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplem...te-with-5-Loxin-and-Standardized-Lignans.html, still researching other things...

essential fatty acids Omega 3 9's epa etc, lignans

 

[kento]

Hey Kento,

I'd consider taking proxiphen and alternating it with either revivogen or prox n, Dr Proctors other product, while also taking saw palmetto. I'm getting off finasteride soon and this is the regimen i'm going to follow, might be worthwhile considering. Proxiphen contains minoxidil, spironolactone, nano, SOD, Nitric oxide etc...

The problem is that we don't have so much options, they are many things that showed on mice that can block/regrow but in real i haven't seen many people who said that they got benefit like propecia, The "Success Story" section is good prove for that so many stories that propecia works, and by far i haven't seen Revivogen story with good before/after photos. I want to add also the Proxiphen stuff in my regime for the hair line, yea some users report regrow but that maybe from the minoxidil in it. We will see, good luck Petchsky with your regime best wishes for good result

 

[CCS]

He said, the new androgen receptors would take a couple of days, at least, to be "grown" by our bodies. So, three times a week "should be very effective" according to that hair transplant doctor. (Makes sense to me from reading up on this stuff over the years.)

If he said androgen receptors, he did a typo, or he is off on his knowledge. Propecia binds to 5 alpha reductase, which takes a week to reach 100% again, but is very low for 2 days. 5 alpha reductase is what makes DHT.

I don't know the the difference would be between 1mg daily and 0.5mg of propecia twice daily. Obviously the second one would have a smoother DHT level, but I don't know which would be lower. I like to use just as little DHT reduction as is needed to save my hair, since DHT has other uses. I make up for deficiencies by using Nizoral and other topical stuff.

FWIW, if it was me, I'd do the finasteride. three times a week. (I take dutasteride twice a week. Not just for hair loss but to also guard against prostate cancer, which runs in my family. I figure with the half-life of dutasteride., at that dosage, it probably keeps an effective amount in my body? But doesn't "overdo" it?)

It depends if you took it daily for a at least 10 days to a month to let it build up in your system before switching to twice per week. The half life is much shorter at lower doses. They did studies with 0.1mg per day, but that is much different than a pill twice a week. However, dutasteride taken once may be as strong as procia taken once. Most likely your dosing is about the same as taking propecia twice a week. You should still get results. Not as powerful as if you had a build up first, but maybe less side effects this way.

 

[CCS]

Dr. Wong says EOD, and their is another respected hair transplant Doctor that says the same, I just forget the name. IHRS i think have tested the hypotheses and for what I remember they concluded that it was nearly as effective, at least in on the short term basis.

But I guess it comes down to how aggressive hairloss you have. 0.5mg ED haven't worked for me, and I maybe think it is because Im young and rapidly thinning.

Would be nice if mastermind Bryan commented.

Edit: The other docs name was Dr. Jerry Cooley. He says that he often tells patients to take it m/w/f.

I don't trust hair transplant docs. They might want more bald people to operate on. Though they also don't want bad long term results ruining business either I guess. Why don't these guys recommend Nizoral too if they care about your hair?

 

[CCS]

Graphs and more info on dosing:
viewtopic.php?p=470097#p470097

Beware: that graph shows daily measurements. Had they taken hourly measurements in the first day, you'd see it falls to 10% the normal DHT levels within 1-2 hours of taking the pill. So there is no flat area.

The did a study with 0.5mg per day, and at the one year point they could see it was only 80% as effective as 1mg per day. I am aware that my reduced dose is weaker than a full dose. But I think Nizoral and Piroctone olamine will pick up the difference.

I have not experienced side effects, but I wish I knew how DHT affects bone density and cartillage. I do know that reducing estrogen levels makes cartilage brittle. So maybe I should accept the lower DHT levels. But what if DHT is needed for bone density? If bone uses 5 alpha reductase type I, then I'm fine. If it uses type II, then I get trouble. I guess I should just go back to 1mg daily since it should help the cartilage at least.

 

[CCS]

My interpretation of that graph is that you need at least 0.5mg per day to have a moderage DHT reduction. Makes me want to go back to 1mg per day. I do know 0.5mg per day is 80% as effective as 1mg per day at the 1 year mark, but they are looking at regrowth, not maintainance. So compared to placebo they are much closer.

 

[Toyboy]

0.5mg twice a week will suffice.

 

[Toyboy]

He said, the new androgen receptors would take a couple of days, at least, to be "grown" by our bodies. So, three times a week "should be very effective" according to that hair transplant doctor. (Makes sense to me from reading up on this stuff over the years.)

If he said androgen receptors, he did a typo, or he is off on his knowledge. Propecia binds to 5 alpha reductase, which takes a week to reach 100% again, but is very low for 2 days. 5 alpha reductase is what makes DHT.

I don't know the the difference would be between 1mg daily and 0.5mg of propecia twice daily. Obviously the second one would have a smoother DHT level, but I don't know which would be lower. I like to use just as little DHT reduction as is needed to save my hair, since DHT has other uses. I make up for deficiencies by using Nizoral and other topical stuff.



[quote="Old Baldy":tn7hf4mf]
FWIW, if it was me, I'd do the finasteride. three times a week. (I take dutasteride twice a week. Not just for hair loss but to also guard against prostate cancer, which runs in my family. I figure with the half-life of dutasteride., at that dosage, it probably keeps an effective amount in my body? But doesn't "overdo" it?)

It depends if you took it daily for a at least 10 days to a month to let it build up in your system before switching to twice per week. The half life is much shorter at lower doses. They did studies with 0.1mg per day, but that is much different than a pill twice a week. However, dutasteride taken once may be as strong as procia taken once. Most likely your dosing is about the same as taking propecia twice a week. You should still get results. Not as powerful as if you had a build up first, but maybe less side effects this way.[/quote:tn7hf4mf]
I have heard the build up must be 6 months,and not 10 days as you say.I heard this from a hair specialist dr.

 

[Bryan]

I have heard the build up must be 6 months,and not 10 days as you say.I heard this from a hair specialist dr.

The DHT reduction is apparently already around Propecia levels, after only the second or third dose of Avodart. Your hair specialist doctor was probably referring to full "steady-state" levels of dutasteride, which is a separate issue.

 

[Toyboy]

My hair specialist was referring to Propecia not dutasteride.She told me that i only needed to be on Propecia for 6 months everyday,then i could cut down to one dose twice a week (she ment a 1mg dose) But seeing as 0.5mg is 80 % effective i think i may try that instead.

 

[Grantspots]

Merck also says only 2% of men experience side effects...

What is this incessant need for people here to change the dosing regimen?

Understand the logic:

They have motivation to lie about the percent of side effects.

Exactly what motivation would they have to tell people to use 1mg daily?

They could sell 0.5mg daily and make just as much money.

The daily dose has logic behind it. Consistent DHT inhibition. Consistency equals lack of pendulum effect. No highs and lows. Fluctuation is bad when it comes to hormones and in fact will quadruple your chance of side effects.

If anything you should be lowering your dose and keeping it consistent, based on the known half-life of Finasteride in your system. Skipping 3 days is going to make it even worse on you.

You're going to constantly have overproduction and inhibition of DHT.

Your body will never get a chance to balance out.

Daily dosing.

-G-

 

[Grantspots]

My hair specialist was referring to Propecia not dutasteride.She told me that i only needed to be on Propecia for 6 months everyday,then i could cut down to one dose twice a week (she ment a 1mg dose) But seeing as 0.5mg is 80 % effective i think i may try that instead.

I love when people pull things out of their :moon:

Did you bother to ask her for the data she is using to back up this logic?

I think people (including yourself, possibly) just have a need to change things up. Not happy with the tried and true method. Gotta be different. If you're going to do that, for gods sake, just take 1.25mg every 4th day and on wednesdays. Every other month switch it to tuesdays and have a glass of milk 30 minutes after dosing. Clearly this method works better than 1mg daily.

-G-

 

[Toyboy]

My hair specialist was referring to Propecia not dutasteride.She told me that i only needed to be on Propecia for 6 months everyday,then i could cut down to one dose twice a week (she ment a 1mg dose) But seeing as 0.5mg is 80 % effective i think i may try that instead.

I love when people pull things out of their :moon:

Did you bother to ask her for the data she is using to back up this logic?

I think people (including yourself, possibly) just have a need to change things up. Not happy with the tried and true method. Gotta be different. If you're going to do that, for gods sake, just take 1.25mg every 4th day and on wednesdays. Every other month switch it to tuesdays and have a glass of milk 30 minutes after dosing. Clearly this method works better than 1mg daily.

-G-

I'm pretty sure she would know more then some deadshit hair-loss forum moderator :mrgreen:.If you look at mews graph you complete moron,you will notice that one dose of finasteride keeps DHT low for 3 days.I hadn't read that until recently.The Dr told me about using finasteride twice a week about 3 years ago and i thought she was crazy,but it turns out she was right.

 

[amsch]

My hair specialist was referring to Propecia not dutasteride.She told me that i only needed to be on Propecia for 6 months everyday,then i could cut down to one dose twice a week (she ment a 1mg dose) But seeing as 0.5mg is 80 % effective i think i may try that instead.

I love when people pull things out of their :moon:

Did you bother to ask her for the data she is using to back up this logic?

I think people (including yourself, possibly) just have a need to change things up. Not happy with the tried and true method. Gotta be different. If you're going to do that, for gods sake, just take 1.25mg every 4th day and on wednesdays. Every other month switch it to tuesdays and have a glass of milk 30 minutes after dosing. Clearly this method works better than 1mg daily.

-G-

I'm pretty sure she would know more then some deadshit hair-loss forum moderator :mrgreen:.If you look at mews graph you complete moron,you will notice that one dose of finasteride keeps DHT low for 3 days.I hadn't read that until recently.The Dr told me about using finasteride twice a week about 3 years ago and i thought she was crazy,but it turns out she was right.

Lol, you just confirmed my suspicion. You're a pathetic little boy.

 

[Toyboy]

amsch I must have really hurt you for you to be following me everywhere and looking up my old posts.Oh well,i win.

 

[amsch]

amsch I must have really hurt you for you to be following me everywhere and looking up my old posts.Oh well,i win.

Old posts? This was like 2 hours ago, lol.
Yeah, you're a winner!

 

[Toyboy]

amsch I must have really hurt you for you to be following me everywhere and looking up my old posts.Oh well,i win.

Old posts? This was like 2 hours ago, lol.
Yeah, you're a winner!

Page two genius.Stop being so bitter because nothing works for you.

 

[amsch]

amsch I must have really hurt you for you to be following me everywhere and looking up my old posts.Oh well,i win.

Old posts? This was like 2 hours ago, lol.
Yeah, you're a winner!

Page two genius.Stop being so bitter because nothing works for you.

Toyboy, you're the one throwing some bad stuff at moderators. I'm asking myself who's the "bitter" one of us.

 

[Petchsky]

Toyboy, you're the one throwing some bad stuff at moderators.

And if he keeps it up he'll be banned

 

[Toyboy]

ohh nooooo!! Please don't ban me from this great forum full of great positive people.I need this forum so i can get places in life,Without it i will be nothing!!