Hedgehog,
Im glad that YOU in particular seen the results. I have actually seen BETTER pictures of more impressive results of hair growth on shaved mice at skinbio.com as a result of copper peptides. This is why I didn't go crazy over the pictures you posted on mice.
There is a picture of apple proanthocyandin success on a man. Here it is,
http://www.applepoly.com/procyanidin-b-2/enlarge_2.htm
That is pretty impressive. However, the reason one might get excited over the proanthocyandin results are two fold. One is the fact that we can probably extract these fairly easily at home (they were just culled from commercial grade apple juice, barley <ton of barley in beer>, and grape seed oil. But the second reason that its sort of exciting is that it represents a sub-dermal papilla way of counteracting hairloss, with no anti-androgenic methods used at all.
The dermal papilla released growth inhibitors are TGF-beta 1
TGF-beta 2, Protien Kinease C, IL-1, FGF-5, Dppk, Throbospondin. We think that we can suppress the first four of those with barley proanthocyandins, grape seed proanthocyandins, and silica. We dont know about the other three, and of course there are some dermal papilla growth inhibitors IN HUMAN BEINGS, (mice and humans dont have the exact same papilla inhibitors it seems) that have not been discovered yet.
This is why HUMAN testing is so damned much more important than testing on SHAVEN mice. Getting hair to grow quicker is something that MSM and abscorbyl palmitate will do. But it doesn't really counteract pattern baldness.
Im dissapointed that applepoly hasn't put up more pictures of results however. I dont know why these companies think one damned photo is going to convince everyone of the efficacy of their product. Ten good pictures would be much more like it, dated and time stamped would be better.
On why "hasnt anything happened" with the proanthocyandins.................things have happened. Apple poly sells them, they are in Revita shampoo, and Spectral DNC, they are in a Japanese shampoo for hairloss, apple fruit extract is in some L'Oreal Shampoos, etc.
SOD's put in Prox-N, according to Dr. Peter Proctor, are there to suppress TGF-beta, although he didn't say if one got 100% inhibition with it or not.
Hedgehog, I know you aren't excited about cloning, but I am. I truly think male pattern baldness is something men will have to fight inscessantly until we can find a way to just multiply the donor area and use that hair for a guy's head. Then, even relatively weak anti-androgens like usage of Nizoral should be able to keep hair on one's head. Other than some genetic therapy topically applied that literally changes genes in some newfangled way, I think treatments of any kind are simply keeping nature from taking its course up there. That being said, I have hair up there, and pretty good hair............because Ive used stuff over the years. It would hit the floor in a couple of winters if I stopped everything.
