Other options besides finasteride?

[Jacob]

I'd agree with you if tons of ppl were actually seeing good results with Dr. P's products. He's dedicated his whole life to it etc..and that's the best he can come up with? I say THAT with a playful tone Are you using them? :whistle:

On Lamas..he's basically using things others have researched that can benefit hair/hair regrowth(sound familiar? LOL!) He's also not making outrageous claims..and I guarantee you Bryan and others would be asking for proof if he did. That is one of Bryan's fav things to do after all...demand proof :woot:

 

[Bryan]

The way he phrased it in an old post back on alt.baldspot was even more emphatic and bold: he said that Proxiphen is "unquestionably" more effective than Propecia alone.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Most people don't use Proxiphen because they don't see why they should shell out 100 bucks a month on hair loss treatments. Some people don't use it long enough to see its effectiveness. I have been using Proxiphen for a few years now and Nano shampoo and my hair seems to stay about the same except the hairline area. However most treatments don't usually work well on the hairline anyway. I take Propecia too but according to the hairdx test I took, it said I most likely would be a low responder to Propecia. So maybe Proxiphen is more powerful in my case. That is why I stay on Proxiphen just in case Propecia is only benefiting me very minimally. I need all the arsenal I can use against hair loss.

 

[Bryan]

I did a quick search on deja.com to see if I could find Dr. Proctor's original post of what he said, but couldn't find it; however, here's a related post of his a couple of years later, replying to a question I had asked him about that same issue:

Peter H. Proctor
Dec 19 2003, 12:59 pm

Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
From: Peter H. Proctor <d...@drproctor.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:57:31 -0600
Local: Fri, Dec 19 2003 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Questions for Dr. Proctor!
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:16:24 GMT, xxxxxx (Bryan Shelton) wrote:

>Dr. P, I seem to remember back a couple of years or so ago that you
>made quite a strong statement about the performance of Proxiphen,
>compared to Propecia...I believe you said that Proxiphen was
>"unquestionably more effective" than Propecia all by itself. I'd be
>curious to know how you make determinations like that.

It has workd in persons previously unresponsive to Propecia... Also, Proxiphen works in many persons previously unresonsive to minoxiidil, which is arguably a little more effective than Propecia.

>Also, have you been able to observe the effects on any patients
>using Avodart (dutasteride)? How would you honestly rate the
>performance of Proxiphen, compared to dutasteride?

Can't say because I have not used Proxiphen in persons who have not responded to Dutasteride. At the moment, there do not appear to be many persons receiving this drug for hair loss, though this could change.

Peter H Proctor, PhD, MD
http://www.drproctor.com

 

[Jacob]

Doctor-House..there are quite a few expensive topicals out there these days. I do agree that many don't stick with things long enough(something I say repeatedly)..but these products have been out for soooo long. But again, it's the claims Dr. P makes.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Jacob, to be honest, most of the posts I have read seem rather positive about Prox-n and Nano shampoo. Most never admit they are stand alone treatments but they do feel it helped thicken some thin areas. As I said before, most people won't commit to using Dr P's products for over a year like I have. I think too many people are skeptical about his products because some people don't care for his website. What Dr P experiences in his private practice does not always correlate to what you read on forums. It would be nice to hear from his patients that visit him regularly in private practice. I think Bryan so far is the only one I can think of that went to him,or am I wrong about that? You know what I find real interesting, most of the men I have seen have never listed taking Propecia or using minoxidil. I guess the only men that use those two drugs can only be found on hair loss forums. I guess the general population does not care to save whatever hair they have if they are balding.

 

[Jacob]

Doctor..you just said all that. See my previous post. It's HIS CLAIMS. There's no reason for him to make such claims. Well..I know why he does it..but again, any other company would be laughed at just for saying things like that. I don't care how many patents or decades they've been in the business.

And it's not just his website that never gets updated :laugh:

 

[DoctorHouse]

Dr P is confident of his products so he is going to CLAIM that they work when other treatments fail. Actually, he has been honest in saying the only way you know how well his product will work is to try it. Doesn't he give you a money back guarantee on Prox-N? If I was try to sell a product, I would stand behind it 100 percent and preach that it works. Just try it.

 

[Bryan]

Doctor... See my previous post. It's HIS CLAIMS. There's no reason for him to make such claims.

Isn't it just ONE claim he makes that bothers you so much, the one where he says that Proxiphen is more effective than anything else?

As I've said in a previous post, the breadth of that claim makes even _me_ a bit dubious, but I'm not going to piss and moan about it continuously like you do. The level of technical innovation in his products moves them to the front line of things to try, for people who want more than just the usual Propecia and Rogaine.

 

[Bryan]

Jacob, to be honest, most of the posts I have read seem rather positive about Prox-n and Nano shampoo.

A while back I got sick and tired of seeing some people claim that they had never seen even ONE single person ever say that they had gotten any benefit from Dr. Proctor's products. I put the lie to that by going through some old alt.baldspot posts, and collecting several posts where guys gave rave reviews of Proxiphen. I still have that same list; maybe it's time to re-post it again?

It would be nice to hear from his patients that visit him regularly in private practice. I think Bryan so far is the only one I can think of that went to him,or am I wrong about that?

I don't know...AM I the only one you can think of?

But seriously, yes, I started going to him in 1995. I used to have some two-year before-and-after pics of my results using nothing but Prox-N and NANO Shampoo right here on HairLossTalk.com, but for some reason they're no longer here.

 

[Jacob]

Dr P is confident of his products so he is going to CLAIM that they work when other treatments fail. Actually, he has been honest in saying the only way you know how well his product will work is to try it. Doesn't he give you a money back guarantee on Prox-N? If I was try to sell a product, I would stand behind it 100 percent and preach that it works. Just try it.

So you're saying all those other (BS) companies make claims because they're so confident in their products..and that makes it ok? Many also give money back guarantees.

 

[Jacob]

Doctor... See my previous post. It's HIS CLAIMS. There's no reason for him to make such claims.

Isn't it just ONE claim he makes that bothers you so much, the one where he says that Proxiphen is more effective than anything else?

As I've said in a previous post, the breadth of that claim makes even _me_ a bit dubious, but I'm not going to piss and moan about it continuously like you do. The level of technical innovation in his products moves them to the front line of things to try, for people who want more than just the usual Propecia and Rogaine.

No..I said claimS. Not just on his website..but in his posts. I'm not piss'n and moan'n about it continuously- let's see how many posts I've responded to regarding Dr. P and his products and compare it to the # of times you jump in to Propecia him/it/them up- just like your "moves them to the front of things to try". "The level of technical innovation"? :laugh:

Re your other post...I've never said no one sees results with his stuff. Many do not though..again, it's the claims he makes. And yeah..where ARE all those who visit Dr. P in his private practice?

 

[Bryan]

No..I said claimS. Not just on his website..but in his posts.

Uh....yeah....is THAT all you're gonna say about it? Okay, I'll bite: so what ARE those other claims of his that you take such great issue with? I can't read your mind, Jacob. Speak up! Sound-off like you got a pair, soldier!

I'm not piss'n and moan'n about it continuously...

No, it's only like every time you mention Dr. Proctor, you start-up with more of your bitching about his "Proxiphen-is-the-most-effective-treatment" claim.

Re your other post...I've never said no one sees results with his stuff. Many do not though..again, it's the claims he makes.

Again, WHICH CLAIMS are you talking about?? FYI, Dr. Proctor has mentioned more than once that he just HATES it when people don't respond to his products. In fact, he specifically stated once on alt.baldspot that Proxiphen isn't THAT much better than a combination of Propecia and Rogaine.

And yeah..where ARE all those who visit Dr. P in his private practice?

I've been saving this just for you, Jacob: HUH?? What does THAT have to do with anything?

 

[Jacob]

Ever notice what else Bryan does besides demanding proof from everyone else? Ignores posts but then picks up later on when he thinks he's got something else to go after.

Uh....yeah....is THAT all you're gonna say about it? Okay, I'll bite: so what ARE those other claims of his that you take such great issue with? I can't read your mind, Jacob. Speak up! Sound-off like you got a pair, soldier!

To begin with..the ones you yourself brought up.

No, it's only like every time you mention Dr. Proctor, you start-up with more of your bitching about his "Proxiphen-is-the-most-effective-treatment" claim.

No, it's only like every time I happen upon a post that I've actually read and decide to call you on it or just have fun with it. It's FUN

Again, WHICH CLAIMS are you talking about?? FYI, Dr. Proctor has mentioned more than once that he just HATES it when people don't respond to his products. In fact, he specifically stated once on alt.baldspot that Proxiphen isn't THAT much better than a combination of Propecia and Rogaine.

Website. Bryan quotes. That's all that's needed.

I've been saving this just for you, Jacob: HUH?? What does THAT have to do with anything?

And the HUH?? fits you perfectly. Doctor-House: "It would be nice to hear from his patients that visit him regularly in private practice. I think Bryan so far is the only one I can think of that went to him,or am I wrong about that?"

You: " I don't know...AM I the only one you can think of?"

:shakehead:

 

[Hoppi]

Here's an option besides finasteride! http://www.imortalhair.org/mycurrentregimen.htm

 

[Jacob]

Keep spamming that site. I realize it's a joke..in more than one way..but :whistle:

 

[Hoppi]

Keep spamming that site. I realize it's a joke..in more than one way..but :whistle:

Ugh why do people always thing that when I sum my point up with a link that I'm spamming ._.

It's no different to saying "try Nizoral" ._.

And maybe if you opened your mind to it a little bit you could realize there is logic to the theory on Immortal Hair, hence why it is working for so many people!

 

[Jacob]

Because "try Nizoral" isn't another website related to hairloss.

It's working for so many..and you've only just discovered the place. Hmmmmmm.. But yeah, I realize there's a whole section devoted to it in every hairloss forum :shakehead: (don't get me wrong..some good things in the list. you'd be surprised where he got some of them from ;-) ..I think he even still takes Renewal Antioxidants- which should be in the top 6, it's so "powerful" )

 

[Hoppi]

Because "try Nizoral" isn't another website related to hairloss.

It's working for so many..and you've only just discovered the place. Hmmmmmm.. But yeah, I realize there's a whole section devoted to it in every hairloss forum :shakehead: (don't get me wrong..some good things in the list. you'd be surprised where he got some of them from ;-) ..I think he even still takes Renewal Antioxidants- which should be in the top 6, it's so "powerful" )

Jacob, I only noticed my early stage hair loss a month ago. It's a miracle I even found THIS place. lol

I think to be fair like, this is an ultimate case of "don't knock it till you've tried it"

(or at least thoroughly disproven the theories scientifically!)

 

[Jacob]

Hoppi..read between the ()'s. Again..you'd be surprised..