Kill almost every side effect of dutasteride/finasteride

[Harie]

Since I see so many questions about how to rid yourself of sides from dutasteride/finasteride, I figured I'd post up some info.

Loss of sex drive: This is the main one I see and it's very easy to combat. I'll start with the simplest and progress to the most hardcore.

1. Horny Goat Weed: Just as the name implies, gets you in the mood. In studies on mice, it increases testosterone. It also inhibits acetylcholinesterase (AChE) enzymes which inactivates cholinergic neurotransmitters. By inhibiting ACHE, subjects are able to maintain a heightened state of sexual arousal.

2. Yohimbe: Increases blood flow to the extremities and appendages. It's nick name is herbal v****. Yohimbe also is also used to aid in losing weight.

3. Maca Root: A natural hormone balancer, it enhances libido, energy, stamina and much more.

4. Arginine: Arginine is a precursor to nitric oxide release (which is what makes you able to get hard). The more nitric oxide you have in your system, the easier it is to "get it up".

5. Mucuna Pruriens: Lowers prolactin levels (supposedly lowers it the most out of any natural substance), which elevates sex drive.

6. Chasteberry: Also possibly lowers prolactin levels if taken at dosages above 800mg/day. Research is semi-unclear on this supplement. It seems that at dosages under 800mg/day it raises prolactin levels, while over 800mg/day lowers prolactin levels.

7. Zinc - When males are deficient in Zinc, their testosterone production suffers. By supplementing with Zinc, testosterone levels are returned to normal, thus libido should return as well.

8. Cabaser/Cabergoline: The end-all/be-all of prolactin lowering substances. In testimonials, users experienced extreme libido, and some male users even reported the ability to have multiple orgasms and keep on going.

9. v****/cialis etc: Everyone knows what these do. If you can't get it up, here's your final answer.

If it were me, I'd definitely start on the low end of the scale first. I have found that combining items proves to be the best course of action. A great combo would be Maca Root & Yohimbe; or Maca Root & Arginine about an hour before intercourse.

 

[Harie]

On to Gyno & other dutasteride/finasteride problems.

Gyno: The best course of action for correcting gyno is to catch it early and try like hell to stop it. Your best bet to combat gyno, if caught early on, is either Nolvadex, Clomid, Letrozole, Clomiphene, Tamoxifen, Raloxifene and/or Rebound Reloaded.

" A restrospective review of patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who received either raloxifene (n = 10) or tamoxifen (n = 15) reported a decrease in gynecomastia in 12 of 14 breasts (86 percent) and 20 of 22 (91 percent) breasts in the raloxifene and tamoxifen groups, respectively. More patients in the raloxifene group experienced a 50 percent reduction in the breast glandular tissue (86 versus 41 percent in the raloxifene and tamoxifen groups, respectively). However, only 3 of the 10 patients in the raloxifene group and one of the 15 patients in the tamoxifen group had complete resolution of the gynecomastia in both breasts."
The above taken from http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyn ... 1;start=15

If Nolvadex and/or Clomid does not get rid of your gyno, the next step is to try Rebound XT or Rebound Reloaded. Both versions of Rebound drastically reduce estrogen levels while increasing testosterone levels. Users of Rebound have reported marked decreases in size of gyno or complete elimination of all gyno in a very short amount of time.

When using Rebound Reloaded or Rebound XT, you should take steps to have a 5ar blocker such as finasteride or dutasteride (but you're taking that already if you're reading this).

If it were me, I would try using Rebound Reloaded followed by a month or two of Raloxifene. All the aforementioned products can be obtained without a script if you know where to look.

The last problem that one may possibly get while on finasteride/dutasteride is testicle shrinkage. It is very easy to correct this if it happens. Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin is commonly used to correct testicle shrinkage in steroid users. To properly use HGC, one should do the following.

250 - 500iu/day for 1 week.

In retrospect, I'd go see a doctor if you have testicle shrinkage unless you know how to shoot up yourself and do it safely.

 

[regrowing_hair]

Thanks for the post....like u said for low libido low end natural things wud be good idea to start with. Is ur list low to high? I am not on dutasteride or propecia but I still suffer low libido form SP or minoxidil ..I am not sure something is wrong..I am not as horny has before..but coming back can I take zinc/ goat weed ? Do I have to take it forever to keep up the errections..

 

[Harie]

Thanks for the post....like u said for low libido low end natural things wud be good idea to start with. Is ur list low to high? I am not on dutasteride or propecia but I still suffer low libido form SP or minoxidil ..I am not sure something is wrong..I am not as horny has before..but coming back can I take zinc/ goat weed ? Do I have to take it forever to keep up the errections..

It's probably from the Saw Palmetto. Saw P doesn't really do anything for hair loss. It may inhibit some DHT, but not much.

Anyway, the only way to know if you're deficient in Zinc is to get tested. Other than that, it's just a guess. Though, the typical American diet leaves people low in Zinc, so supplementing Zinc can't hurt at all for almost everyone.

For zinc, I'd recommend ZMA, it's cheap, gives you a good amt of Zinc/day, helps you absorb the zinc and makes you sleep like a freaking rock. Some people report having crazy dreams on ZMA, but I have never experienced that.

Other than Zinc, what to take depends on what your problem is.

If you are horney, but just can't get it up, try Arginine, Yohimbe or v****

If you have no sex drive at all, try Mucuna Pruriens, Horny Goat Weed, Maca Root or Cabaser/Cabergoline/Dostinex.

I'm leery to recommend anyone try Chasteberry. There still isn't enough research for it's use in lowering prolactin levels...And worst case, you'll raise prolactin levels, resulting in even less sex drive and even worse, high enough prolactin levels can give you gyno. I still listed it because 1 research project showed that 800mg/day lowered prolactin levels...And many people on regrowth.com use it with good results. Use at your own risk.

As for, "Do I have to take the supps forever", the answer is, I don't know. It depends on your body. Most peoples bodies adjust to Saw P, finasteride/dutasteride etc and eventually everything goes back to normal. Some people's bodies never adjust...Even if your body never adjusts, there are tons of things to keep your sex drive alive, so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[regrowing_hair]

Thanks a lot Harie...
heres a lil back ground..
I started on hair genesis last year (Aug'05)...SP supplements and topical and
switched to shenmin topical and supplements..in Sep'05. replaced shenmin supples with nuhair and was on SP shampoos Nov'05. After 4 month or 5 th month mark of using SP, I noticed kinda upset in stomach and slightly low libido etc..and I read it somewhere SP mite have Sides when taken orally..so Last feb I quit topical and oral SP and just continued with Revivogen shampoos and started on Dr Lees minoxidil 5% and Xandrox 15% since last feb. But since Juune..july.. I've noticed decrease in libido and my errections are not harder anymore and I can get up and jerk off but my orgasm is not that satifying.. I donno why all this happening 6 months after quitiing SP. Or is it SP shampoo...or Xandrox or Revivogen Shampoo..I saw a GP he said I dont have prob with blood flow and I tested my blood for Testostrone levels ( I dont have the result yet..I rem him saying that he'll call if he finds any prob) and gave me a v**** sample..I am not sexually active now so never tried it. Also in June.. I added Jason thin to thick shampoos too and NanoThick. I donno wass goin most of the time I dont have feeling of movement in my dick. Any help appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Harie]

Interesting...I know that I've read about people having sides from Saw Palmetto, but I can't recall if I ever read about people having lasting sides from it. Either way, if you quit in Feb, I wouldn't imagine it was related to that. Unless it really screwed up your hormones. But a delayed result; probably not.

From Feb - June/July were you ok in the libido dept?

If that's what you ment in your post, did anything in your life change in June/July? Did you start eating poorly, gain a lot of weight, trouble sleeping, lots of stress?

Your testosterone level results will definitely give you a better indicator of what could be causing it. If it's low test levels, (and you want to increase them) there are supps that can do that too.

Totally unrelated, but you mentioned lackluster orgasms...if you want a crazy orgasm, try a supplement called ejaculoid. It is supposed to increase semen volume...though, without a sexual partner, you'd be jerking it 24/7 on that stuff.

Now for the bad part - any supp that increases testosterone could also lead to more conversion into DHT...Which could accelerate your male pattern baldness.

 

[regrowing_hair]

Changes from July
I switched from xandrox 15% to 5%...added jason thin to thick and nanothick shampoos.
I played a lot with latex toys..do u if the sensation of skin is effected by latex? Do you know of any creme/gel to increase/restore sensitiveness?
I guess I went thru a stress state..Thing is I used to jerk it everyday..I believe since july I dont feel like doing it anymore ...It doesnt pleasure me anymore...

 

[regrowing_hair]

Yes from Feb to July I was doing well with libido...

 

[Harie]

Sensitivness restoring...I know there are people that put their penis in, it may have been vasoline or something like that, for a long time. I don't recall what they did exactly, but it was something like putting some kind of lubrication in a condom etc and keeping it around the head of your penis pretty much 24/7.

It was supposed to make your head very sensitive, because it was so lubed up. Sort of like people that are uncircumsized in that their head is always covered up and moist.

Basically, find some way to keep the head of your penis constantly lubricated and it will become very sensitive.

Holy Sh!t what fuxxored up things I know. :lol:

By the way, I'm sure most men would kill for unsensitiveness down there. Most of the questions I read/hear from guys is, how do I get less sensitive so I can go longer.

 

[Aker]

Harie, is Rebound Reloaded a legal product? Safe? I've also heard having too little estrogen can hurt you. Is this an OTC product, prescription, or otherwise hard to get?

This information is great, by the way. Thank you for it!

 

[Harie]

Harie, is Rebound Reloaded a legal product? Safe?

Yes, Rebound Reloaded is a perfectly legal product. Yes, it's safe (you won't die) and as long as you run it correctly, you will be perfectly fine.

I've also heard having too little estrogen can hurt you. Is this an OTC product, prescription, or otherwise hard to get?

Yes, it is OTC - though if you wanted to get it locally, you'd have to check places like GNC etc. I don't know if GNC sells anything besides their own stuff though. As for hard to get, it's only a mouse click away.

Please read the other thread where I posted about Raloxifen too. That is a bit trickier to get. Definitely not OTC...But you can google it and have it shipped to your door with no prescription.

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

i dont think any of them would work to fight propecia sexual problems its like trying to put a bush fire out with a water pistol herbal bullcrap has no chance of fighting prescription medicine side effects

 

[jharsh80]

If it were me, I'd definitely start on the low end of the scale first. I have found that combining items proves to be the best course of action. A great combo would be Maca Root & Yohimbe; or Maca Root & Arginine about an hour before intercourse.

If your problem is that you have no libido/desire to have sex, than this seems pointless to me, unless you are schedualing your sex and it's not brought on by desire. What if you want to be horny all the time like a normal male?

 

[Harie]

If your problem is that you have no libido/desire to have sex, than this seems pointless to me, unless you are schedualing your sex and it's not brought on by desire. What if you want to be horny all the time like a normal male?

Usually the main reason that males are not horny all of the time is because of high prolactin levels and/or low testosterone levels. To know the true reason, you'd need to have your doctor test your test/prolactin levels.

If you want to be horny 24/7 take Cabaser. Or, if you have low test levels, take a test booster.

 

[Harie]

i dont think any of them would work to fight propecia sexual problems its like trying to put a bush fire out with a water pistol herbal bullcrap has no chance of fighting prescription medicine side effects

Have you tried any of the supplements I listed? That seems a pretty ignorant statement when I can show hundreds of posts where people have had success with some of the things I mentioned.

Plus, I listed things that aren't herbal either. Yeah, v****, that's herbal...

I don't see anyone else posting ways to try and get rid of gyno besides surgery or quitting finasteride/dutasteride and hoping for the best. At least I have posed other options that seem to have a decent success rate besides a $3,000 surgery.

Let me put it another way. I know for sure that the supps I listed work, because they worked on me. I lost all sex drive and ability to maintain an erection when I stated finasteride, then again, I started taking 5mg/day. Did I come come here and post that finasteride was sh*t? No, I knew what to do. I bought Maca Root & Arginine and what do you know, problem solved. Of course, the problem was also solved when I dropped to taking 1.25mg/day too.

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

yeah v**** would be the only one that would work

 

[KiLLuMiNaTi]

horny goat weed works only if you use it once in a while if you use it everyday your body will get used to it and it wont work anymore youll get tolerence

 

[Fat-Elvis]

horny goat weed works only if you use it once in a while if you use it everyday your body will get used to it and it wont work anymore youll get tolerence

Where'd you hear this?

FYI, I've read several articles on horny goat weed and I've seen nothing about taking it occasionally being more effective; I've only seen it recommended taken daily.

 

[Harie]

yeah v**** would be the only one that would work

Wrong. Unless you've tried everything I listed and none worked, why not stay out of this thread?

I on the other hand have tried about 1/2 of what I listed above and have had plenty of success with them. My favorite combo is Yohimbe, Horny Goat Weed & Arginine (It was all in 1 pill) with a beer or 2. I actually found that combo made it pretty hard to orgasm. Every once in a while, the gf loved it; but on a daily basis, being marathon man got old.

Of all that I've listed, I've tried the following combos.

1. Yohimbe, Horny Goat Weed, Arginine
2. Maca Root, Arginine, Chasteberry, Mucuna Pruriens
3. Tribulus (I didn't list this because I don't know if it actually works). Some studies show increased test levels, others show nothing. IMO unless you have low test levels, it's probably the placebo effect. It did work for me though, probably because I've always had low test levels anyway.

I'm going to ditch the Chasteberry & Mucuna Pruriens because they didn't give me the effects I was looking for. Next thing to purchase is Cabaser...But that will have to wait till Jan or Feb 2007.

 

[Fat-Elvis]

You've had success with yohimbe?

I read an article about yohimbe that basically said any yohimbe you buy in some store is going to actually have such a finite amount of the active ingredient that it won't really work, and that you have to import real yohimbe from india or whatever country it's grown in.

ahh, got it......yohimbe.org.

Also, I've read that taking yohimbe can have a really adverse affect on your sleeping patterns.

thoughts?


Another thing, because I'm too lazy to look for it....I recently read an article about some wonder-drug being tested that supposedly gives men increased libido and multiple orgasm abilities. anyone know what I'm talking about? Can you buy it?