im a creepo now, so ****ing depressing

[bald29]

F*** that, make money and fast cash, and you get all the women you want. F' those college goons, they are only getting by their parents' money. Hair loss ain't nothing. We all trying to combat it. But it ain't nothing to get depressed over with. Fred is right, but you also have to use your noggin. Plus like anything it is a number game with women, too. You gotta play the numbers. I bet you if you say, "hi, how you are doing?" to at least 100 women - there's gonna be 2 that would clean your knob for you.

yeah, the 2 ugliest ones

With money, you can get all the women you want, as long as you agree to pay them by the hour. Probably not what we all aim for though.

 

[2bald2young]

I'll give you one reason: proximity. Women will have sex with any man she encounters as long as he's perceived high value and in her immediate vicinity.

That's the reason hot celebrities have sex with their ugly bodyguards. You don't have to really be of high value, just appear to be.

Hustingbaldly is right, playing the numbers' game can get you results. But you must have a strong mental to keep trying.

I don't play the numbers' game for example. I rarely get rejected, because I tend to choose my targets wisely.

But the quality of my girlfriends isn't that great. Sometimes I tell myself I should just play the numbers.

Well I understand what you mean, but keep in mind that being bald at a young age is a major disadvantage when trying to receive social status.

 

[uncomfortable man]

F*** that, make money and fast cash, and you get all the women you want. F' those college goons, they are only getting by their parents' money. Hair loss ain't nothing. We all trying to combat it. But it ain't nothing to get depressed over with. Fred is right, but you also have to use your noggin. Plus like anything it is a number game with women, too. You gotta play the numbers. I bet you if you say, "hi, how you are doing?" to at least 100 women - there's gonna be 2 that would clean your knob for you.

Spoken like a true nw3. Yeah, because it's so easy to make "fast cash" and become rich right? Let's be realistic for a change... let's say you work your tail off in college/graduate school in say finance (profitable field). Let's say you make great grades but during your time in college you advance to an nw5 @ 26. Graduate and hit the job market only to face the reality that most of your potential employers are looking for "young fresh faces" and although your marks are awesome, every time they decide to go with someone younger looking with less experience. Great, so unless you plan on getting rich quick by cooking/selling meth or robbing a bank your just like the rest of us fukced and struggling to stay afloat.

Unless your a glutten for punishment, then constantly hitting on women as an nw5 will if anything make you realize just how much women find bald men unattractive. Prepare to be invisible. Prepare to have women offended that you would even go out of your way to talk to them... even reaching into their purse for gazer/pepper spray. Maybe then you will realize that being bald young IS SOMETHING TO BE DEPRESSED ABOUT!!

 

[benjt]

Uncomfortable man, you must be the whiniest little crybaby on this whole planet. In all honesty, I think that your attitude has a) a major influence on your dating life (both because of the vibes youre giving off and because of how it influences your own thinking) and b) serves you as a nice little excuse you can blame all your dating failure and probably passivity on ("I wouldnt get anyone anyway, so why even try?").

If I were a girl, I would much rather date a bald guy with a healthy attitude than a full head of hair crybaby with your attitude, all other things between the bald and the NW1 being equal. "Mimimi, I cant get what I want and I wont do anything to improve my situation because ITS JUST SO UNFAIR!!!111". Life owes you nothing. You can deal with it or you can give up. Or you can give up and spend all your time whining on a forum, which you chose to.

And becoming very rich is actually easy. If you're sufficiently qualified an employer will hire you no matter how bald you are. While it has been proven that looking young and dynamic gives you an advantage in competitive hiring situations, that doesnt matter once youre skilled and specialized enough, because there's less applicants than vacancies. And even in competitive hiring situations, with any qualification or experience that puts you ahead of better/younger looking competitors, you will still be the one to be hired. In general, while the looks can be influencing, they are much less so than your qualification, skills, and experience.
I'll be switiching to a new position next year, which probably qualifies as "decent dough". I didn't have to do any meth cooking. Just a nice master's degree with proper specialization and some good experience.
Getting rich is much, much easier than getting your hair back, which, as of now, is simply not possible. And getting rich itself is actually not that hard, it only requires willpower and discipline.

So yeah, continue pitying yourself, don't change anything about your situation, and keep spending all your time posting whiny posts on forums. Your situation is totally going to improve. And ladies sure love whiny guys. Life owes you nothing, you gotta make the best out of what you have.

@HustlingBaldly:
The question is whether you get the girls you want with your money. Yeah, it helps you getting laid, but the girls that date you for your money are not the ones I want any relationship with.

 

[benjt]

"I should not have read anything that challenges my opinion, because everyone with a different opinion is obviously wrong". Classical Fred.

 

[isishearmyplea]

Getting rich is much, much easier than getting your hair back, which, as of now, is simply not possible. And getting rich itself is actually not that hard, it only requires willpower and discipline.

its true, easier said than done though but yeah i i dont see being bald being detrimental to financial success, not in my country at least.

 

[2bald2young]

"I should not have read anything that challenges my opinion, because everyone with a different opinion is obviously wrong". Classical Fred.

I don't really get it. I don't mean to be offensive but with the impression I get from you, my question is what are you doing on this forum?

You can't just judge someone to be a crybaby while you don't know how his life is.

 

[JZA70]

What f*cking difference does it make if you're rich or not ? Are these dollar bills going to give me my identity back ? Can I put all this cash on the top of my head and style it with gel ?

 

[isishearmyplea]

i think its better to be bald and rich than bald and poor or not so rich

 

[2bald2young]

i think its better to be bald and rich than bald and poor or not so rich

I agree.

 

[ChrisW1980uk]

Can we leave off the personal insults please guys? Doesn't achieve anything.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Yes for all of us ill adjusted balding fellows (me too), our personalities are convincingly challenged by a myriad of disadvantages. We want our hair back because it is our original perception of who we are , on more than a visceral level. It is the gold ribbon around the "complete package" of our identity. Yes it's "just hair", but even still our hair or our preoccupation with our hair has in many cases has gotten the best of our overall sense of well being. We may all have our unique/mutual explanations to the question; "Why is this so?" and to date, I continually wrestle with this one. Maybe reacting a little like an unfairly punished child, I have blamed society ( often understandably so) and I have blamed my family(genetics), and for the most part I have blamed myself inherently for permitting a practically useless human characteristic trait to negatively pervade virtually every aspect of my life. No question about it hair loss is unappealing and I don't believe any pill is going to necessarily change my opinion about it. Sadly like too many fellow sufferers, I've been on the same losing end of this waiting game for long enough now to accept that my mode of mentally playing it simply isn't working. Now I am faced with 2 options,(a) I can either strive to change my way of thinking or (b) I can surrender to self pity. Well aware the latter directive is mostly every madman's last place of refuge. In the end it's only up to me to decide. I'm aging faster, my hair is worsening and I've had enough with hanging my heart and head on a hope I may never see realized in my passing youth. It's time for me to retreat from this barren quagmire finally once and for all, bury my losses and rebuild me a stronger fortress on higher ground.

 

[Exodus2011]

Yes for all of us ill adjusted balding fellows (me too), our personalities are convincingly challenged by a myriad of disadvantages. We want our hair back because it is our original perception of who we are , on more than a visceral level. It is the gold ribbon around the "complete package" of our identity. Yes it's "just hair", but even still our hair or our preoccupation with our hair has in many cases has gotten the best of our overall sense of well being. We may all have our unique/mutual explanations to the question; "Why is this so?" and to date, I continually wrestle with this one. Maybe reacting a little like an unfairly punished child, I have blamed society ( often understandably so) and I have blamed my family(genetics), and for the most part I have blamed myself inherently for permitting a practically useless human characteristic trait to negatively pervade virtually every aspect of my life. No question about it hair loss is unappealing and I don't believe any pill is going to necessarily change my opinion about it. Sadly like too many fellow sufferers, I've been on the same losing end of this waiting game for long enough now to accept that my mode of mentally playing it simply isn't working. Now I am faced with 2 options,(a) I can either strive to change my way of thinking or (b) I can surrender to self pity. Well aware the latter directive is mostly every madman's last place of refuge. In the end it's only up to me to decide. I'm aging faster, my hair is worsening and I've had enough with hanging my heart and head on a hope I may never see realized in my passing youth. It's time for me to retreat from this barren quagmire finally once and for all, bury my losses and rebuild me a stronger fortress on higher ground.

so true man.

the loss of identity, youth and ability to express yourself are REALLY probably the worst aspects of baldness. the loss of identity especially is a little mentioned but HORRIBLE and SOUL KILLING characteristic of balding

seeing all your friends getting new haircuts and clothes that express who they are, while you are just seen as an old nerdy dad. you cant get any haircut and if you try to dress in band shirts or whatever to express yourself you will just be seen as a weird pedophile . . . . .

its ****ing weird thinking of a bald guy wearing a band shirt lmao (except for certain bands with baldies id say haha).

there was another poster on here saying that one of the things he wud do if he got his hair back wud be to be himself again. he said he felt like a "shell of his old self" . . . . . so much truth to his statement i think.

i feel NOTHING like my old self or true self. I almost feel "dead inside" or like i have no soul.

sometimes when i get to my deepest darkest depths of despair, i think that if christianity is true, then bald men are soulless demons lol. you can see it in their eyes. (altho on the supernatural scale of things bald men often just look like aliens! xD :alien::alien::alien

 

[uncomfortable man]

"I should not have read anything that challenges my opinion, because everyone with a different opinion is obviously wrong". Classical Fred.

Oh hey, that sounds like your response to my post. Hmm, differing opinions can be a b**ch huh?

 

[swingline747]

And becoming very rich is actually easy. If you're sufficiently qualified an employer will hire you no matter how bald you are. While it has been proven that looking young and dynamic gives you an advantage in competitive hiring situations, that doesnt matter once youre skilled and specialized enough, because there's less applicants than vacancies. And even in competitive hiring situations, with any qualification or experience that puts you ahead of better/younger looking competitors, you will still be the one to be hired. In general, while the looks can be influencing, they are much less so than your qualification, skills, and experience.
I'll be switiching to a new position next year, which probably qualifies as "decent dough". I didn't have to do any meth cooking. Just a nice master's degree with proper specialization and some good experience.
Getting rich is much, much easier than getting your hair back, which, as of now, is simply not possible. And getting rich itself is actually not that hard, it only requires willpower and discipline.

So yeah, continue pitying yourself, don't change anything about your situation, and keep spending all your time posting whiny posts on forums. Your situation is totally going to improve. And ladies sure love whiny guys. Life owes you nothing, you gotta make the best out of what you have.

@HustlingBaldly:
The question is whether you get the girls you want with your money. Yeah, it helps you getting laid, but the girls that date you for your money are not the ones I want any relationship with.

Contradictory here
In one note you say looks def give you an advantage in hiring
Then say once you get enough experience it doesn't matter
How do you get experienced with such a hindrance on being hired in the beginning?

My girl does HR AND said they will hire a cute guy over an ugly one because he can just be trained.
It's why I was hired at my job. I was still good looking. Not so much now.
Getting rich in America is not easy if you don't come from money.
I have more will and determination than about 90% of the people on this country. Put myself through school, raised myself for the most part.
Bought my rental property with my own money and will. I came from dirty and am lucky to be middle class and I have no kids to support. The rich keep people like me from entering their class, so no it is not easy. At least not in CT

 

[benjt]

Contradictory here
In one note you say looks def give you an advantage in hiring
Then say once you get enough experience it doesn't matter
How do you get experienced with such a hindrance on being hired in the beginning?

The looks matter for a competetive hiring situation, where there is two or more candidates with approximately the same education, skills, and experience. So yeah, for your first job after graduation, I can imagine it will be a disadvantage. Then again it also depends on your field: If you graduate with a major in a field with candidate shortage, you will be hired anyway. Simple maths: If there are more vanacies than suitable candidates, all candidates will be hired. So your field will obviously have some impact here. If you go for a typical business/economics degree, you will have much more competition and more candidates than vacancies and I can imagine it puts you at a disadvantage there. If you go for physics, engineering, or biotech, you will be hired anyway.
However, later in life, when you have experience in exactly your field and you're a specialist, the hiring situation is not really competitive anymore. Looks don't matter anymore.
Remember that approx. 50% of all men have visible signs of baldness by 40. How do all those get hired if the other 50% have an advantage in looks? Skill and experience, obviously. If the hypothesis that you cannot get hired if you're bald was true, well, this would a) be measurable, b) would've already been confirmed, and c) result in very funny effects, i.e. significantly more baldies among the young unemployed.

My girl does HR AND said they will hire a cute guy over an ugly one because he can just be trained.
It's why I was hired at my job. I was still good looking. Not so much now.

I also went from NW1 to NW3 in 5 years. Still have to deal with that, and that's what life is about. But my Norwood state has in no way affected my hiring situation, but my major is in a field with skill shortage. If you want to get rich, make a degree that is in high demand and short supply, but that isn't exactly news. Then your looks wont matter at all and you will make decent money.

Getting rich in America is not easy if you don't come from money.
I have more will and determination than about 90% of the people on this country. Put myself through school, raised myself for the most part.
Bought my rental property with my own money and will. I came from dirty and am lucky to be middle class and I have no kids to support. The rich keep people like me from entering their class, so no it is not easy. At least not in CT

I guess social inequality and equal chances independent of your parents' wealth are really an issue in the US; in most European countries, you get university education until the end of your master's for free (and in many of them the state gives you financial aid while you study). But maybe my definition of rich (a nice 6-figure salary) is also not what the definition of everybody else's "rich" is. With a degree in some STEM field it's not very hard to get a 6-fig salary in your mid-twenties, and at least in my book that qualifies as rich.

@uncomfortable man: The difference is that I put forward arguments. Fred, like he usually does, just said "not my opinion, hence wrong and not worth reading". If he gave arguments it would be different, but I guess he simply isn't capable of doing that for a lack of them.

 

[swingline747]

The looks matter for a competetive hiring situation, where there is two or more candidates with approximately the same education, skills, and experience. So yeah, for your first job after graduation, I can imagine it will be a disadvantage. Then again it also depends on your field: If you graduate with a major in a field with candidate shortage, you will be hired anyway. Simple maths: If there are more vanacies than suitable candidates, all candidates will be hired. So your field will obviously have some impact here. If you go for a typical business/economics degree, you will have much more competition and more candidates than vacancies and I can imagine it puts you at a disadvantage there. If you go for physics, engineering, or biotech, you will be hired anyway.
However, later in life, when you have experience in exactly your field and you're a specialist, the hiring situation is not really competitive anymore. Looks don't matter anymore.
Remember that approx. 50% of all men have visible signs of baldness by 40. How do all those get hired if the other 50% have an advantage in looks? Skill and experience, obviously. If the hypothesis that you cannot get hired if you're bald was true, well, this would a) be measurable, b) would've already been confirmed, and c) result in very funny effects, i.e. significantly more baldies among the young unemployed.


I also went from NW1 to NW3 in 5 years. Still have to deal with that, and that's what life is about. But my Norwood state has in no way affected my hiring situation, but my major is in a field with skill shortage. If you want to get rich, make a degree that is in high demand and short supply, but that isn't exactly news. Then your looks wont matter at all and you will make decent money.


I guess social inequality and equal chances independent of your parents' wealth are really an issue in the US; in most European countries, you get university education until the end of your master's for free (and in many of them the state gives you financial aid while you study). But maybe my definition of rich (a nice 6-figure salary) is also not what the definition of everybody else's "rich" is. With a degree in some STEM field it's not very hard to get a 6-fig salary in your mid-twenties, and at least in my book that qualifies as rich.

@uncomfortable man: The difference is that I put forward arguments. Fred, like he usually does, just said "not my opinion, hence wrong and not worth reading". If he gave arguments it would be different, but I guess he simply isn't capable of doing that for a lack of them.

Yes we live in very different worlds. The us is very class oriented despite what they present to the public and getting worse every decade but really the public had themselves to blame being so addicted to bull **** pop culture.
Here school is very expensive and getting worse.
College is one of my biggest regrets. I should have stayed in trades.
Anyway though you present the option to get into a field in high demand such as physics and engineering but not everyone is good at that. I personally hate physics. I went for computer science because in affordable community college its computers or business and I wasn't doing business.
I would have loved to get into the medical feild but there was no way I could afford the school and I wasn't taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans.
Not everyone is capable of engineering so no it's not easy to get rich or else everyone would do it and those jobs wouldnt be in such high demand nor high paying.

also the entire majority of men that will show balding by some age is a very fudged number where I beleive NW2 are lumped right in with NW7.
I was at a run saturday and me and my buddy (who has perfect hair) were looking for noticeably BALD men and again they are the minority.
Yes most mens hairlines may mature but as for noticeably balding... minority.

 

[benjt]

Not everyone is capable of engineering so no it's not easy to get rich or else everyone would do it and those jobs wouldnt be in such high demand nor high paying.

I truly believe that everyone with sufficient willpower is capable of that. In my first year during undergrad studies I was among the bottom 20% grade-wise which translates to more failed than passed exams. By the end of my Bachelor's, I was among the top 40% and at the end of my master's I was in top 20%. The story here is not "look I'm awesome", but that I was extremely bad, in fact among the lowest achievers (most of which dropped out) of my year, and still made it. It's mostly a matter of willpower; if you want to go through with it, you can, even if you will permanently feel like quitting for the first two years. It's still doable with effort and if you're willing to miss out on 100% of your free time for two to three years, i.e. no partying, no holidays, no gaming, no hobbies - if you can live without those, you will definitely make it. So getting rich, as in nice 6 fig salary in your mid-twenties, is possible with effort and willpower.

also the entire majority of men that will show balding by some age is a very fudged number where I beleive NW2 are lumped right in with NW7.
I was at a run saturday and me and my buddy (who has perfect hair) were looking for noticeably BALD men and again they are the minority.
Yes most mens hairlines may mature but as for noticeably balding... minority.

The study was in fact measuring the percentage of men that are at least NW3/3A at age 35. The study found that approx. 40% of men are at least NW3/NW3A at that age. The problem is that 91% of men (Wikipedia number) start balding at 30 or later, meaning that only 9% of men start balding earlier than 30. I was one of the unlucky ones to have it starting at 17. So the huge difference is in the age group 18 - 30; after that, things level out.

 

[swingline747]

I'm going by what I see and I'm 35. The numbers are either worldwide or fudged. I def see less balding men than with hair, here in the states at least.
And no some people can't do those jobs. Plus what if you don't like it. Then you're just doing something you hate.
Also I work with engineering in my company and they are far from six figures
You can't just be rich
You also state in your country your university is paid for. Thats great but there are many here who can NOT afford a good school.
There are many here who are not eligible for student loans or assistance. How can they achieve an engineering degree.
I got perfect grades all through school, was not eligible for any assistance or grants.
I had to take loans for COMMUNITY COLLEGE working full time to support myself. Because I worked full time I could not get financial aid. I had to finally lie to get ANY help. It took me near 5 years to get a TWO year degree.
Then for my bachelors I had to wait about 2 to 3 years before I could finally finish that and it had to be at night doing accelerated courses.
Dont say everyone can do it because they cant. I couldnt. Every day Im still trying to figure out how I can get out of IT and do something I enjoy. I only like this job gives me the ability to spend a lot of time typing on forums and working on side projects.

 

[bald29]

I truly believe that everyone with sufficient willpower is capable of that. In my first year during undergrad studies I was among the bottom 20% grade-wise which translates to more failed than passed exams. By the end of my Bachelor's, I was among the top 40% and at the end of my master's I was in top 20%. The story here is not "look I'm awesome", but that I was extremely bad, in fact among the lowest achievers (most of which dropped out) of my year, and still made it. It's mostly a matter of willpower; if you want to go through with it, you can, even if you will permanently feel like quitting for the first two years. It's still doable with effort and if you're willing to miss out on 100% of your free time for two to three years, i.e. no partying, no holidays, no gaming, no hobbies - if you can live without those, you will definitely make it. So getting rich, as in nice 6 fig salary in your mid-twenties, is possible with effort and willpower.

Well... You obviously don't talk from experience. I make very solid money, close to 6 figures in my 20s, and I can tell you that it doesn't really help when you are bald. I did extremely good with girls a few years ago when I was sharing a house with 6 other people and making less than $25K a year. I was also shy, and kind of stupid, but had tons of attractive girls to choose from. Today, I think that in the last 2 years only 2 or 3 girls have visited my luxury apartment, which by the way is located in the best neighborhood of my city (a capital).
That's because girls in my age range are filtering me out as soon as they see me, and they couldn't care less about how much money I make, or whether I'm funny, smart, confident or whatever. So unless you just want to call an escort or go to the strip club every other day, money only makes a difference when you are also attractive for your age.

The study was in fact measuring the percentage of men that are at least NW3/3A at age 35. The study found that approx. 40% of men are at least NW3/NW3A at that age. The problem is that 91% of men (Wikipedia number) start balding at 30 or later, meaning that only 9% of men start balding earlier than 30. I was one of the unlucky ones to have it starting at 17. So the huge difference is in the age group 18 - 30; after that, things level out.

I don't know about that 40%, but it's still a minority. It still leaves you at the bottom of the dating market, and notice that the study starts from NW3. Imagine what that means for the NW5 -- or even more, the NW5 who are younger than 30--. I will just leave the adjectives to your imagination.