I Am Actually Regrowing My Hair + Hairline Without Min Or finasteride (mechanical Stimulation)

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Do you still keeping your hair?
and what about finasteride side effects?
Yeah hair appears healthy and fine, even got complimented on the quality of it by a girl the other day mentioning I must take good care of it. My hairline never fully recovered and my vertex is still thin relative to the rest of my hair but I can hide my hairline with how I style my hair. In terms of finasteride sides still none aside from me ejaculating less. I suppose I might post some update pictures sometime.

Since this thread is so long is your regimen basically *just* finasteride + nizoral + pyrithione zinc + microneedling + scalp massage? Am I missing anything?

Can you elaborate on your mechanical approach to microneedling. I know thats hard to type, but Im curious how come you got such tight stippling and mines just here and there.

Whats the point of 40% glycolic acid and salicylic acid?
Yes that's my regime, I also sometimes take fish oil and vitamin D which theoretically helps my hair in the case of a deficiency.

I just repeatedly microneedle with the derminator at 2.5mm across my scalp

The chemical peels were just an idea that work on a similar principle to microneedling, I'm already using microneedling and chemical peels on my face to repair acne scars so I figured it could be beneficial. The glycolic acid didn't work on my scalp since it doesn't dissolve the oils and my scalp is very oily but salicylic acid does which means it can get deeper into the pores and potentially have some benefit but the 30% salicylic acid I got is so expensive I am hesitant to try it on anything but my face.



I'm also pretty absent from this community these days now, I don't really care much about looking into and researching hairloss anymore. I have about 80 private messages from people on Reddit asking me questions relating to hairloss and I have no motivation or desire to really respond to any of them. Besides a lot of the questions have already been answered publicly. I'd still love to get some gains in regards to my hair but I don't care enough to spend time in a community based around it anymore.
 

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Also just a mini update on the fact I'm going to experiment with dutasteride once weekly in conjunction with finasteride now. I have a box of Avodart I purchased forever ago now and I'm curious more than anything plus it's better than wasting money and letting it go to waste. If I get any side effects I'll simply stop using it. It'd just be nice to use with the longer half life etc since I have been getting into a bad habit of forgetting and skipping finasteride doses a lot. Also I think in theory it could further reduce my pore size as finasteride reduced the oiliness of my skin so my pores were less clogged which meant less acne.

I'm sort of tired of the fear mongering around 5ARIs online and I'm doubtful I'd get any severe side effects. I've read countless studies that say it's safe and comparable to finasteride and then I've seen a couple that state in theory it could be harmful in regards to neurosteroids and allopregnanolone. In reality I think those sides are negligible and I'm at the point where I don't think I care anymore. I'm sort of done taking advice from obsessive strangers on the internet.

I've noticed it's not just finasteride/dutasteride that has all the fear mongering online, it's literally just about any medication you can take people obsess and rant over. I recently started taking Lamisil to treat a fungul infection that was long overdue by many years but I was always hesitant to start it since people online told me it's incredibly harmful and it destroyed their life: lethargy, loss of taste, headaches plus more. I think the scariest one was that people told me it's super toxic to my liver and if I take it I run the risk of my liver failing and me dying and that wasn't worth the risk of resolving a simple fungal infection. Well in reality I've been taking it for a few months now and I've had zero side effects and I'm perfectly fine.

I'll probably have people freak out over the thought of me experimenting with dutasteride since they did in the past when I considered trying it. But it's as simple as this, if I get side effects I stop using it. If it doesn't work I just go back to finasteride or I just switch to dutasteride only twice a week which will save cost and be much more convenient taking.
 

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Okay guys so I have finally gotten my DNA test results back and I've lined up my genes to this study I've done, this is all looking very promising and indicates a positive effect for stepping up to dutasteride. I'm planning to implement it once a week with finasteride at this point.
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Genes I have -
rs1128977 (Good Gene) rs1128977 on RXRG is associated with response to dutasteride.
rs3822430 (Good Gene) The product of SRD5A1 is type I 5AR, which is a target of dutasteride. (infers superior results on dutasteride over finasteride which is 5AR-II)
rs2241057 (Bad Gene) CYP26B1 is able to inactivate both all-trans-RA and 9-cis-RA (retinoic acid)

The negative gene I have isn't that overly impactful whereas the others I dont have act as backdoors which make dutasteride almost useless. Overall based on my genes this is all very promising for a good response to dutasteride.

A concerning factor is that I have a lot of genes that predispose me to both prostate and breast cancer so I'll have to be conscious of that to be safe.
 

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Forgot to mention my balding predisposition which is an incredibly 7x
For reference I started balding at 12, was a norwood 3 by 15-16 and a norword 4.5 by 20

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Not only is it a 7x risk I also have another 9 genes related to balding that increase my odds even further
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Forgot to mention my balding predisposition which is an incredibly 7x
For reference I started balding at 12, was a norwood 3 by 15-16 and a norword 4.5 by 20

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Not only is it a 7x risk I also have another 9 genes related to balding that increase my odds even further
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Lol that's meaningless. PPV 12% with a disease as prevelent as male pattern baldness is an atrocious test.

7x risk is likely misleading. Probably a retrospective odds ratio with the numbers of the comparison and control both being small. I couldnt say without looking at the actual data but I would not put much stock in this.
 

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Lol that's meaningless. PPV 12% with a disease as prevelent as male pattern baldness is an atrocious test.

7x risk is likely misleading. Probably a retrospective odds ratio with the numbers of the comparison and control both being small. I couldnt say without looking at the actual data but I would not put much stock in this.
In what way is it meaningless? It's literally a DNA test I took that showed me I have numerous genes that predispose me to baldness. Whilst not entirely accurate it does point to the fact I am strongly predisposed to balding which is shown by even looking at males in my immediate family and the fact I heavily balded at a young age. Even my brother has started the initial stages of balding at 13.

It's just additional information that supports the reality of my Androgenetic Alopecia.
 

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In what way is it meaningless? It's literally a DNA test I took that showed me I have numerous genes that predispose me to baldness. Whilst not entirely accurate it does point to the fact I am strongly predisposed to balding which is shown by even looking at males in my immediate family and the fact I heavily balded at a young age. Even my brother has started the initial stages of balding at 13.

It's just additional information that supports the reality of my Androgenetic Alopecia.

Except it doesn't mean that statistically. It could mean something if it was a negative test, but a positive test is all but meaningless (12% means you would get more predictive value out of flipping a coin). I would also want to see what they are using as a gold standard to even get these numbers.
 

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Except it doesn't mean that statistically. It could mean something if it was a negative test, but a positive test is all but meaningless (12% means you would get more predictive value out of flipping a coin). I would also want to see what they are using as a gold standard to even get these numbers.
You're failing to understand an extremely easy concept, this is my genetic disposition to balding, it doesn't mean I will bald but that I hold genes that predispose me to balding. I've already balded heavily, you don't need genes to tell you that. Given how much I balded at a young age you'd expect it to reflect in my genes within a DNA test, big surprise.. It did.

I just posted that as a little snippet of how my DNA relates to balding with the gs122 genoset which is a cluster of SNPs. So not only do I have just those genes that predispose me to baldness but I have numerous more. I simply posted it because I thought people would find it interesting but instead I'm met with negativity. I'm quite literally nearly done with posting updates on this website.

gs122 looks for increased risk of baldness based on

rs6625163(A;A) 1.2 (increased risk of baldness)
rs1160312(A;A) 2 (2.56x increased risk of Male Pattern Baldness.)
rs1160312(A;G) 2 (1.6x increased risk of Male Pattern Baldness.)
rs201571(T;T) 2 (more likely to go bald)
rs6036025(G;G) 1.2 (more likely to go bald)
 

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April 2020 vs Dec 17, look at that hairline progress. I'm genuinely really pleased as it's continuing to come along really nicely.
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I'm 2 weeks into experimenting with Dutasteride which is the equivalent of 2 pills. Very quickly and already I am noticing increased gains. My hair is perkier than ever, I'm not sure but I think it's growing in thicker follicle wise from the base because it is already having a noticeable difference so quickly. ALSO MY CROWN IS FINALLY FILLING IN, I had like a coin sized bald spot in my crown that thickened up but never fully and now on dutasteride it's finally filling in, like literally even with sunlight exposing my bare scalp skin with greasy hair it's getting difficult to notice. I'm starting to get really confident with my hair now.

I also attached a density shot of it too.
 

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You're failing to understand an extremely easy concept, this is my genetic disposition to balding, it doesn't mean I will bald but that I hold genes that predispose me to balding. I've already balded heavily, you don't need genes to tell you that. Given how much I balded at a young age you'd expect it to reflect in my genes within a DNA test, big surprise.. It did.

I just posted that as a little snippet of how my DNA relates to balding with the gs122 genoset which is a cluster of SNPs. So not only do I have just those genes that predispose me to baldness but I have numerous more. I simply posted it because I thought people would find it interesting but instead I'm met with negativity. I'm quite literally nearly done with posting updates on this website.

gs122 looks for increased risk of baldness based on

rs6625163(A;A) 1.2 (increased risk of baldness)
rs1160312(A;A) 2 (2.56x increased risk of Male Pattern Baldness.)
rs1160312(A;G) 2 (1.6x increased risk of Male Pattern Baldness.)
rs201571(T;T) 2 (more likely to go bald)
rs6036025(G;G) 1.2 (more likely to go bald)

Hey man just trying to share some stats knowledge. What ever floats your boat though
 

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Forgot to mention my balding predisposition which is an incredibly 7x
For reference I started balding at 12, was a norwood 3 by 15-16 and a norword 4.5 by 20

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Not only is it a 7x risk I also have another 9 genes related to balding that increase my odds even further
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April 2020 vs Dec 17, look at that hairline progress. I'm genuinely really pleased as it's continuing to come along really nicely.
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I'm 2 weeks into experimenting with Dutasteride which is the equivalent of 2 pills. Very quickly and already I am noticing increased gains. My hair is perkier than ever, I'm not sure but I think it's growing in thicker follicle wise from the base because it is already having a noticeable difference so quickly. ALSO MY CROWN IS FINALLY FILLING IN, I had like a coin sized bald spot in my crown that thickened up but never fully and now on dutasteride it's finally filling in, like literally even with sunlight exposing my bare scalp skin with greasy hair it's getting difficult to notice. I'm starting to get really confident with my hair now.

I also attached a density shot of it too.
Have you looked into Ru-58841? It will competitively bind with scalp testosterone & probably further increase your results. I have a peach fuzz outline of my juvenile hairline now from finasteride, minoxidil, ketoconazole, microneedling, RU. If you're really trying to max out your hair potential, a topical anti androgen is worth deploying imo
 

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Have you looked into Ru-58841? It will competitively bind with scalp testosterone & probably further increase your results. I have a peach fuzz outline of my juvenile hairline now from finasteride, minoxidil, ketoconazole, microneedling, RU. If you're really trying to max out your hair potential, a topical anti androgen is worth deploying imo
how many mg a day do you apply and from what source?
 

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how many mg a day do you apply and from what source?
I personally do 75mg. It's 50 mg/ml, and 1.5 ml covers the areas of concern for me. I get it from cheymo. Other popular sources are anagenic and thekaneshop. Keep in mind the stuff doesn't have safety data backing it up, so do your own research and weigh your risk vs reward.
 

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Thanks for the insight. Do you still microneedle or do you recommend just to take finasteride?
 

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“I am actually regrowing my hair + hairline without min or finasteride (mechanical stimulation)”

Uses finasteride and dutasteride.
Thread title is outdated and the site doesn't let you change the title, I split my pre-finasteride results into a different section if you want to see those results. My main goal was to regrow my hair with minimal maintenance, cost and side effects not to prove I can grow a full head of hair without medication (which is hard even with medication). I had some decent regrowth with just microneedling, scalp massages and zinc pyrithione which is great but I was a NW4.5 at 19 with pretty thin hair to top it off. with my level of hairloss I couldn't in my right mind not use dutasteride or at least finasteride. Honestly, my only regret was not using 5AR inhibitors earlier in life, I'm only 2 and a half months on dutasteride but I'm seeing a definite boost in growth after stagnating on finasteride for quite some time, lots of tiny hairs sprouting out deeper than ever before into the bald region of my receded temples, they look like little blackheads from a distance. It doesn't go as far out as I'd like but this will be a massive boost to the appearance of my hairline. They are still small so I might post some final pictures in a few months and then start to clean up everything here. Wanting to delete a lot of this for privacy reasons.
 

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Have you looked into Ru-58841? It will competitively bind with scalp testosterone & probably further increase your results. I have a peach fuzz outline of my juvenile hairline now from finasteride, minoxidil, ketoconazole, microneedling, RU. If you're really trying to max out your hair potential, a topical anti androgen is worth deploying imo
Too hard to get in my country and too expensive for it to be worthwhile importing, pretty happy with what I'm using currently.
 
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