Humour me. Do the thyroid test.

[Hoppi]

Because mine came up low. That fits with Brian Simonis' theory that much (at least young) male pattern baldness is caused by hypothyroidism. My axillary morning temperature came up between about 35.7 and 36.3, averaging at about 35.9, which is a sign of hypothyroidism, as I really should be more like... I believe it's 36.6-36.8 or something similar, certainly not 35.9!

So yeah, and that makes sense for me, because my skin suddenly changed at roughly about the same time as I may have started to lose hair (I can't fully remember but the 2 certainly weren't far off). It went all dry and pastey and thin, which is a sign of hypothyroidism I believe. So yeah, don't get me wrong all that jazz like insulin, SHBG, inflammation, bacteria, sebum, all these things matter (as well as of course the ever-popular DHT and 5ar), but... just saying that maaaayyyybe if you're young and even if you're not... you might want to do a quick check to see if hypothyroidism is a maybe for you too. Because it throws your hormones off. And can cause... hair loss.

Ok, so here it is:

http://www.drbobnd.com/low_thyroid.htm



Now I don't know what I fully think about this but just... humour me. Consider it. And imagine what this means if it's true


Hoppiiii!



oh, edit, apparently common thyroid checks (blood tests) don't always pick it up, as they can't measure how your body is REACTING to your thyroid's production of hormones. A low temperature I am guessing means it is not reacting as much as it should. Anyway, peace! ^_^

 

[n0142248]

This is pretty wierd actually i keep experiencing these pains in my wrists and i have done for the past year or so on and off not exceptional pain just more of bother then anything. Ive just got back to my laptop so i thought i might check it out something called carpel tunnel syndrome come up.. now this could be just from using my laptop but i would say im not a heavy user of my laptop use it proberly 2-3 times per week for a couple hours max and i used to work extreamly manual jobs involving alot of hard hand digging.

And then i read that one of the possible causes is an underactive thyroid? and then one of the symptons of an underactive thyroid is tiredness no matter how much i sleep (i usually cant operate on anything less then 10-12hrs), reduced mental sharpness and it just came across as this may be something which may actually be affecting me... didnt really ever think to go to a doctor about this proberly just think im a lazy student bum who spends to long playing computer games!!!

Im gonna pinch a thermometer tomorrow and test this who knows there could be something in it...

 

[n0142248]

So in other words hoppi i will humour you!!

maybe it might be an underlying cause for me! In which case i will be indebited to you.. well...

 

[king-]

i have a lot of those symptoms and did more then 12 blood tests withn the past year with diff doctors and my levels are always ok , but i keep convincing my self that my thyroid isnt ok

 

[Hoppi]

Normal blood tests aren't enough, not from what I can tell. You need to check your axillary temperature in the morning. If it's less than about 36.5 degrees, you probably have an underactive thyroid, as far as I can tell.

This is because you can have the most optimal levels of thyroid hormones, but it's all about how sensitive your body is to them. Just like insulin sensitivity, it's the same deal (except as far as I can tell your thyroid doesn't increase levels of it to compensate, like your liver does with insulin)

 

[Hoppi]

From Brian Simonis (I hope he doesn't mind me posting this, I'm sure it's cool ):

"For several years at one time or another I thought that it would make sense if the thyroid is significantly involved in most forms of hair loss. But if so, why wouldn't the medical establishment acknowledge it?

I believe the answer is that thyroid problems (under and over active) are overwhelmingly undiagnosed, despite frequent and routine testing saying otherwise. Myself and my family have never been diagnosed with thyroid problems, yet some of them have had some symptoms of thyroid problems.

Before providing some plausibility to this hypothesis, first let's take a look what thyroid dysfunction causes (relative to hair loss).

Under performing thyroid is strongly correlated with elevated Lp(a) which is not only linked with androgenetic alopecia, but seems quite probably tied in with DKK-1, a highly negative protein associated with DHT triggered hair loss.

Both insufficient and excess levels of thyroid hormones T3 and/or T4 can result in hair loss. For example, T4 prolongs the duration of the hair growth phase (anagen) possibly due to the down-regulation of TGF-beta2.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18728176

Over active thyroid creates an environment of high reactive oxygen species (free radicals).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19540741

Metabolic syndrome, which is a state of high free radicals and insulin resistance are highly correlated with hypothyroidism.

Low thyroid is strongly correlated with heart disease, so is hair loss.

Inflammation is widespread in thyroid diseases.

Low or over active thyroid can be influenced through iodine intake. There are a great many external influences that can negatively effect thyroid function. Some examples are fluoridation (By the way the EPA is finally considering a moratorium on municipal fluoridation nationwide), bromide (found in bread, soft drinks and some sports drinks), synthetic estrogens, heavy metal contamination, and anything hard on the liver is also thyroid suppressive.

Since it is estimated that as many as 70% of the world (perhaps more) has less than optimal levels of iodine it would not be a surprise considering the influences mentioned above. Iodine is required for proper conversion of T3 from T4.
Also many who are using synthetic T4 actually can acquire hair loss, mostly likely since synthetic T4 inhibits iodine.

I should mentioned that low iron (a problem generally rare in men, but not uncommon in women) can inhibit conversion T3 from T4 also.

Also note that thyroid disease can be caused from a deficiency of copper, which causes an excess storage of iron. A very high copper level can also cause thyroid problems and hair loss too.

This is far from a complete dissertation but am throwing it out there as I think it is odd that hair loss is just a "normal" process."

 

[Hoppi]

I dont think I've ever been so happy to have a condition in my life lol

My temp is still at 35.5 this morning (on average for the past few days or so its been about 36.0 degrees, maybe slightly lower, in the mornings). It's just really good because it makes so much sense - I probably threw it off with anxiety/stress. It explains my skin changing so suddenly (yes I have a reason! ^_^) and it almost definitely explains my hair too

Thank GOD Now all I need to do is take iodine to correct my thyroid, curcumin to optimize my insulin sensitivity and help lower systemic inflammation and hopefully balance sex hormones (the secondary stuff is v useful too though), and fingers crossed this whole problem should go away! Here's hopin', kid! ^_^

 

[heynow1234]

Im not saying this test isnt valid, but I think you may want to go to a real doctor before you start taking iodine pills

 

[Jacob]

And in fact many have just gobbled down the iodine pills(actually most take it as a liquid) and have been experiencing side effects.

But yes..thyroid "problems" can be the cause of hair loss. It's been discussed for years and years..long before BS started talking about it. :whistle:

 

[Hoppi]

Funny that, no one said a single word about it to me. I had to spend 2 months combing through the internet to learn this stuff. Then had to endure ridicule from an entire forum for even suggesting it.

So yes, clearly common knowledge.

 

[Jacob]

Funny...if you've been combing through the internet that long you'd know. But regardless..maybe that's where YOU found out about it..but my point is it's not new. Just like the metabolic syndrome/insulin connection has been discussed for years, thanks mostly to Dr. Mercola.

And again, the other poster is right..don't go overboard on iodine unless you've had tests done, etc.

 

[imlosinit]

Anyone noticed a difference on this stuff?

 

[Jacob]

There are 139 pages with "thyroid" in the posts..when you do a search here at HairLossTalk.com. That's just HERE.

imlosinit..over the years I've read of improvements here and there, especially those with actual thyroid problems..and especially women. This is another area where it makes sense to make sure everything is working right..but it alone isn't most likely going to solve your hair problem.

 

[Jacob]

http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/607

:shakehead:

 

[Hoppi]

I give up on you Jacob, I'm not going to read your posts anymore.

Perhaps when you learn to actually work with people instead of just childishly trying to outsmart everyone the whole time, I will have more time for your point of view.

 

[Jacob]

Nice try..Hoppi. I read the other threads/posts..others were saying exactly what you just did..about you. You are the one who thinks he knows everything(even if helped by BS), plus like they said..you've only been here for a limited time.

The fact that you now single me out to ignore..leads me back to that other thread. It's a big- see, I told you so..and I'm sure in the near future it'll be even bigger. You've never had time for my point of view from the beginning. I pointed out the "plain" lignans and thenHMR lignans...which you laughed at. It gets brought up by your expert, and what are you using now? :shakehead:

I'm going to post that link again..it's a very good read: http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/607
(I guess my point is..it's not just iodine that needs to be looked at. It's not always the problem)

 

[Hoppi]

Ugh. All you want to do is pretend you know best. How many times do I have to say i HAD lignans on there! I had them already, the only reason I got annoyed at you is because you were using the fact that I chose SDG instead of HMR as an excuse to be condescending towards me, so I got annoyed because it was a blatant straw man argument.

I don't know man I just find you very blunt and patronizing with your points and much more keen to simply excel yourself above others rather than actually contributing something constructive.

I don't like or want to fight with anyone, but I wish you wouldn't make your points in such a patronizing and destructive manner

(I guess my point is..it's not just iodine that needs to be looked at. It's not always the problem)

Ok well THAT'S ok why couldn't you have just said that in the first place? Why all the eyes up to heaven and criticism?

If I do have a problem with thyroid hormone resistance then whatever I do about my hair and whether I use iodine or not, it is best for my health to solve it. The constructive way to deal with this issue is to weigh up iodine vs other methods as potential ways of correcting people's thyroid hormone resistance/underactive thyroids, or establishing further ways to diagnose the indicated problem.

 

[Jacob]

When I said..."I guess my point is..."..that was referring to the link I provided. Not the rest of my comments which were, again, about this thyroid issue being out there for the longest time...etc etc.

Your complaints with me...you could easily use them against the others here who have also pointed out what I'm saying. They..you..me..BS...no one has all the answers. And no one should pretend to. And speaking of that..one of the worst articles I've read lately is the one on fiber not being important. It is not all just about relieving constipation. That is another recommendation I really hope people research..before following.

I guess I'm not the only one who feels that way: http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_onl...nid=F8306CA8B9420688D4C04D243772A81B-he.hydra

You're something else...I am not even shooting down your "views". I HAVE given "alternatives". You have to go crying about it somewhere else..and it isn't even true? :bravo:

 

[Hoppi]

Ok.

Anyway erm, how did people come up on the thyroid test?

I am going to do mine again tomorrow morning but I am very consistently coming up low - I couldn't believe how cold my body was when I woke up this morning!

If nothing else this almost certainly explains my skin change and sudden hair loss. I'm really looking forward to seeing how correcting my SHBG, inflammation, thyroid resistance and other outcomes of stress and previous bad diet impact my overall health and my hair

Let's see what the future brings!

 

[wesleyBelgium]

http://betterhealthchannel.com.au/bhcv2 ... ained?open

its says its also in kelp , good thing i take kelp tablets sinds its known to boost hairgrowth a little 2

does msm also improve this ? i orderd another box of 500mg