How Did You Deal With The Depression?

[blackg]

If a magic wand was waved and made me President tomorrow, I would either fold to pressure from other forces, or I'd be deposed/assassinated.

You still couldn't take office as you weren't born in the U.S.A.

 

[blackg]

Even if they don't succeed 100%, and I don't expect them, they will likely make significant progress in a small amount of time. This contrasts significantly to the USA, which is no longer capable of resolving its social problems.

Hahaha... Yeah, well we all suspect how the Chinese government "solves" it's social problems.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

What I see and what most people see is: they gave up and chose the easy way out because they wouldn't have the looks and/or the mental fortitude to deal with a white Western woman.

An incorrect cope as demonstrated by the OkCupid link and lots of other information available.

I guess it's the case that in your case you don't find East Asian women attractive, but in general they are highly coveted.

As I've said, that's a Marxist claim that the most powerful and influential race in this world is the one that will be perceived as the most attractive. And I think that's nonsense.

It has nothing to do with Marxism. It's merely something that is demonstrably true in history. You can look at art in different culture in history, see how preferences change.

Some things are universal: the desire for facial symmetry, youth, WTH ratio of ~0.70, etc. On the other hand other things change such as fashion or race preferences. The fact that they change proves that there's a cultural component to sexual preferences.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-Caucasian-men-prefer-Asian-women

The idea that white men go after Asian women because they're easier doesn't work because:

1) Asian women are not easier, it's demonstrated that the difference is small.
2) If that was how things worked, those same men would go after Black, overweight, Hispanic, or older women. They're not doing so.

Your theory demonstrably fails on two grounds. A reddit link doesn't refute empirical data, and a quora link is worth even less. In general, if a man cannot get with a white woman, he will not be able to pair with an Asian woman, as in an Asian woman who grew up in the west and is of similar social class. I guess that someone with no life experience might think "I can't get white girls, so I'll settle for Asian girls," and post about it on Quota -- good luck.

Here's a different study:
https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...ested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women

• Women get three times the interactions men do.
• All men seemed to be more interested in people outside their race.
• Black men and women get the lowest response rates to their messages.
• All women except black women are most drawn to white men, and men of all races (with one notable exception) prefer Asian women.

That's the data, again, from an independent sample and analysis.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I think you're leaving out one important variable in your analysis: religion. Or at least how open their culture is in general.

Hispanic women are harder to get because of that reason. Same for a lot of black women who are also very religious. Fat and/or old women are just way down to totem pole when it comes to raw sexual attractiveness, the fact that very few men pursue them is self-explanatory.

Asian women are often Buddhist or just not very religious. It's the main reason why white men don't go to Malaysia or Indonesia to find a mate or to get easy sex, yet those women are Asian too.

If you go on a forum for sex tourists like RooshV, they'll whine about the fact that women aren't so easy in Central or South America. So here's why those same men don't go for Hispanic women. It's because they're not as easy.

And I do find Asian women attractive by the way, but I certainly don't think white men rave about Asian women because they find them so hot, it's one component for sure as there is something strangely sexy about them.

But I think the main reasons are: relatively loose morals in the Asian countries in question combined with the fact that Asian women worship white men, and that goes for all Asian women, whether they're born in the West or in Asia.

It has very little do to with social class.

I brought up numbers, you bring up quotes from quora and now from the losers at Roosh V, the latter of whom might well be the greatest morons on the internet. There's even less value over there than there is on quora. Asian women worshipping white men is a moot point, as they don't do so more than other races of women. The quartz study showed that Asian women had the same attitude to white men as white women or Hispanic women.

At this point, you have brought up arguments from dubious sources (Quora, Roosh V), made claims that are not correct (Asian women worship white men more than other women, Asian women are easier), and not responded to the actual numbers and actual data.

The conclusion remains as you have not counter argued at all: Asian women (and I mean those of Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese descent, not Filipinos or Tamils) are almost as socially desired in the rich countries as white women.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I went further down my friends list to expand the sample size, I'm skipping over people who have good hair or who are too old to be relevant:

6th guy, NW3, married an attractive white woman, however he's relatively high-status
7th guy, NW3, long-term relationship with a white woman
8th guy, NW6, went bald young, probably a virgin, also overweight, short, ethnic, and has bad social skills.
9th guy, hairline receding but has an effective combover for now, in a relationship with an attractive white woman
10th guy, NW6, went bald young, plausibly an incel
11th guy, NW3, he's seeing someone now but I don't know a lot about her, he also tries extremely hard.
12th guy, receding and thinning NW2.5, long-term relationship with a white woman\
13th guy, receding and thinning NW2.5, long-term relationship with a white woman\
14th guy, NW5, recently married an attractive white woman
15th guy, NW5, married an attractive and brilliant white woman a few years ago, their second baby is recently born.

So overall it's a mixed record. I listed ten additional names here and I'm a bit too tired to go on. The most attractive woman on my list is also with a bald guy. The most recent engagement I read about on FB was of a bald guy that I knew from the mining industry.

There's certainly a correlation in the real world, but it's not as ironclad as people such as the OP think. However, I suspect that it's almost certainly the case that matters more in the age range 18-23.

For comparison, the first five guys with pristine or near-pristine hairlines

1) Married an attractive white woman of high social status a few years ago.
2) In a long-term relationship with a passable white woman of high social status for nearly fifteen years.
3) Single the last time I asked. He has other problems to deal with.
4) Married, divorced, now is with another good girl.
5) my brother in law, I'm biased, so pass.
6) Married a white woman several years ago.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I think the data you provided is weak, and I'd really like to be proven wrong on this, but what you present just isn't convincing enough.

I don't believe raw data and numbers are the highest form of truth.

I don't regard Quora as a dubious source, the most highly-rated posts are often very insightful and written by experts on the matter.

And the members on RooshV may be half-blinded game worshipers, at least they document their experiences quite thoroughly.

I know claiming your sources are valid and the ones of your opponent are dubious is one of your favorite strategies to try to win a debate but that certainly doesn't work with me. At least I'm glad you didn't call my sources "crackpot sources" .

"Asian women (and I mean those of Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese descent, not Filipinos or Tamils) are almost as socially desired in the rich countries as white women." is a bold claim, and to me, it directly contradicts common sense, all the testimonies I've read, everything I've observed around me, and my personal experiences.

I hope other members (if there are still any around with all those bans and departures) will chime in on this.

I had a low opinion of Quora prior to this conversation. A lot of people often post answers there without actually having a clue. Quora, and Yahoo answers, have in my experience been among the two worst sources of information.

 

[Charles Rane]

Nice to meet a new member. Are you American?

Nice to meet you man.... I'm in The Netherlands actually

Been lurking the forum since 2014, but only post every once in a while because i'm too socially anxious

I do like this forum tho and the people that frequent it. At least people here acknowledge how depressing hair loss is, cuz in real life everyone gives you the ''Just shave it bro'''

 

[Exodus2011]

Whites are the most desirable right now because of the global hierarchy. We know this from history Bear ... White women were actually unattractive to Asians prior to extensive contact with Europeans. The Japanese complained that their eyes were too big. This has little to do with Marxism, I'm discussing biology and history.

It's also off-topic, your original point was that Asian women are a compromise. You may believe that in your own life, with your own intuition, but more widely the claim doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The difference in white men's preference between Asian and White women is measured to be very small. You're the one who often brings up "science", so you can respect the numbers.

Personally, the two best-looking people that I met at uni were half-Asian, half-white. Both of an Asian mother and white father lol. I know of three couples in my generation of an Asian woman and a white man, and one of an Asian man and a white woman.

were they women?

and we gotta factor in your jewish liberal bias for mixed ethnicities, its the lib wet dream of the future. i actually agree hapa girls are very cute but mixed people in general are pretty ugly lol.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

were they women?

and we gotta factor in your jewish liberal bias for mixed ethnicities, its the lib wet dream of the future. i actually agree hapa girls are very cute but mixed people in general are pretty ugly lol.

There's no liberal Jewish bias, I was a conservative at the time. It's the case that mixed-race people are widely perceived as more attractive:
http://www.psypost.org/2018/01/stud...-race-male-faces-attractive-white-faces-50614
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20301855
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200601/mixed-race-pretty-face

Of the two people that I'm referring to, one is a man and one is a woman. The man had 8+/10 women throw themselves at him (would be attempted rape if the gender were reversed) and he'd sometimes turn them down, because he had a lot of options. The woman supplemented her income with modeling work.

 

[Exodus2011]

There's no liberal Jewish bias, I was a conservative at the time. It's the case that mixed-race people are widely perceived as more attractive:
http://www.psypost.org/2018/01/stud...-race-male-faces-attractive-white-faces-50614
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20301855
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200601/mixed-race-pretty-face

Of the two people that I'm referring to, one is a man and one is a woman. The man had 8+/10 women throw themselves at him (would be attempted rape if the gender were reversed) and he'd sometimes turn them down, because he had a lot of options. The woman supplemented her income with modeling work.

interesting. i wonder how hot hapa females and subhuman hapa men factored in. or if maybe theres liberal biased researchers trying to harp the mixed diversity agenda

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

interesting. i wonder how hot hapa females and subhuman hapa men factored in. or if maybe theres liberal biased researchers trying to harp the mixed diversity agenda

My speculation is that interracial children look better because there's a social stigma against interracial dating. For it to happen, the parents need to be *very* attracted to one another. It has to be a great pairing. This makes the prediction that the children of "wives from Thailand" would not have a beauty dividend.

 

[Exodus2011]

My speculation is that interracial children look better because there's a social stigma against interracial dating. For it to happen, the parents need to be *very* attracted to one another. It has to be a great pairing. This makes the prediction that the children of "wives from Thailand" would not have a beauty dividend.

yea but a lot of mixed kids are children of incels who got with a lower race, mainly the white men and asian woman pairing

the other side of the coin tho is lower races being alpha enough to get with higher races, like asian men and white woman (as in bruce lee being the most alpha asian ever and getting a blondie) or rich famous blacks getting white women

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

yea but a lot of mixed kids are children of incels who got with a lower race, mainly the white men and asian woman pairing

the other side of the coin tho is lower races being alpha enough to get with higher races, like asian men and white woman (as in bruce lee being the most alpha asian ever and getting a blondie) or rich famous blacks getting white women

Yes, that might be at play as well. That makes sense.

*******

I know of one couple, Asian man and white woman, it's an anomalous pairing. She's the better looking one, she's even taller, slimmer, and she makes most of the money, he was unemployed for a long time and is in poor shape. They were high school sweethearts. My hypothesis is that the relationship stopped being perfect a long time ago, but that she's such a perfectionist that she did not allow the relationship to fail. She always tried to find ways to fix it, to keep it going.

I don't know them well enough to say for sure.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Interesting theory, it definitely matches with my biologically deterministic view on human mating. I also have this theory that couples who are very attracted to each other and are strongly in love produce healthier and better-looking children.

I see the pattern in my own family, my parents were truly in love and attracted to each other (well let's forget about the hair loss please, my dad cheated his subhuman fate). Same for my maternal and paternal grandparents, so my mother, my father and his sisters also look quite good.

Now if I take my great-grandmother, her husband was killed during the war, so she married her husband's best friend (yeah I'm not kidding), she had never been attracted to him, she confessed so several times, and the result: my grandmother and her sister were riddled with weird genetic diseases, for example my grandmother quickly became morbidly obese during childhood and she never managed to get it under control.

Anyway, that's just me thinking oud loud. I think it's dangerous to try to cheat mother nature so to speak. Genuine attraction and love are important, and not only to produce healthy children, obviously. If you don't have those, you also increase the risk of creating a toxic environment around the children.

Yeah that seems plausible to me, I'd love to see it investigated.

 

[Exodus2011]

I once explained that theory on a date. When I was finished, the girl looked at me smiling:

"So I guess your parents didn't love each other?"

it enrages me that women can only see status and the social world a lot, anytime you say anything even remotely controversial they'll jump to calling you incel loser. its like the opposite of an aspie who can only see logical objective things.

 

[Exodus2011]

I know what you mean, but that wasn't her intention here, I thought the joke was very funny and well-timed.

Anyway, a few hours later, I was humping her like a rabbit.

As you can imagine, when a woman is attracted to you and you start talking about your weird theories, they usually go along with it with a big smile on their face, "oh that's interesting, I had never thought of it that way!" etc. But the moment you play that game with a woman who doesn't have the hots for you, it's as you said:

"No wonder you're single if you think that way! Good luck finding someone! etc."

Yeah I go that several times, even when I was quite experience and had sex with a lot of women. Then you get the variant:

"Well no wonder they all ran away from you!"

*sigh*

You see that in the comments under news articles on Facebook, any guy who even half suggests that sometimes, women do wrong too and can be evil will be met with a torrent of: "Well someone's frustrated! I'm sure you're very popular with the ladies! No wonder you're single! etc." It always looks like they're talking to an infant who did something wrong.

i think PSL is on the dot, women are even more obsessed with the heirarchy then we are

 

[doubleindemnity]

I went further down my friends list to expand the sample size, I'm skipping over people who have good hair or who are too old to be relevant:

6th guy, NW3, married an attractive white woman, however he's relatively high-status
7th guy, NW3, long-term relationship with a white woman
8th guy, NW6, went bald young, probably a virgin, also overweight, short, ethnic, and has bad social skills.
9th guy, hairline receding but has an effective combover for now, in a relationship with an attractive white woman
10th guy, NW6, went bald young, plausibly an incel
11th guy, NW3, he's seeing someone now but I don't know a lot about her, he also tries extremely hard.
12th guy, receding and thinning NW2.5, long-term relationship with a white woman\
13th guy, receding and thinning NW2.5, long-term relationship with a white woman\
14th guy, NW5, recently married an attractive white woman
15th guy, NW5, married an attractive and brilliant white woman a few years ago, their second baby is recently born.

So overall it's a mixed record. I listed ten additional names here and I'm a bit too tired to go on. The most attractive woman on my list is also with a bald guy. The most recent engagement I read about on FB was of a bald guy that I knew from the mining industry.

There's certainly a correlation in the real world, but it's not as ironclad as people such as the OP think. However, I suspect that it's almost certainly the case that matters more in the age range 18-23.

For comparison, the first five guys with pristine or near-pristine hairlines

1) Married an attractive white woman of high social status a few years ago.
2) In a long-term relationship with a passable white woman of high social status for nearly fifteen years.
3) Single the last time I asked. He has other problems to deal with.
4) Married, divorced, now is with another good girl.
5) my brother in law, I'm biased, so pass.
6) Married a white woman several years ago.

That's not very nice to read. A NW6 will get nowhere based on that data. Reading this thread, I think that there's simply no way out of the depression or the cycle of misery and disappointment.

How many of you have decided to just write a will and then end it all? It really seems like the best option at the moment.

Also...asian women hold white men in very high regard. We've all suffered due to the racism within dating and this is where asian men suffer. The fact that many men are competing for asian women is irrelevant. Women are always the choosers and will choose the best i.e. whitest men. If it's between a white NW6 fool vs an Asian NW1 chad with a good future you can bet the house she'd choose white every time. That's just the way it is. Fred is right all the way.

The worst thing is when I think of myself personally. I don't have any option to just settle like these examples. I've been rejected by fat, thin, rich, dysfunctional, sensible...alike. That's what happens to a NW6. He can plan great dates, make a woman laugh, flirt strongly, touch her in platonic ways, do confident things, form a good connection with her, and...he has no chance of a relationship if he's a NW6.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

That's not very nice to read. A NW6 will get nowhere based on that data. Reading this thread, I think that there's simply no way out of the depression or the cycle of misery and disappointment.

How many of you have decided to just write a will and then end it all? It really seems like the best option at the moment.

Also...asian women hold white men in very high regard. We've all suffered due to the racism within dating and this is where asian men suffer. The fact that many men are competing for asian women is irrelevant. Women are always the choosers and will choose the best i.e. whitest men. If it's between a white NW6 fool vs an Asian NW1 chad with a good future you can bet the house she'd choose white every time. That's just the way it is. Fred is right all the way.

The worst thing is when I think of myself personally. I don't have any option to just settle like these examples. I've been rejected by fat, thin, rich, dysfunctional, sensible...alike. That's what happens to a NW6. He can plan great dates, make a woman laugh, flirt strongly, touch her in platonic ways, do confident things, form a good connection with her, and...he has no chance of a relationship if he's a NW6.

If NW5 men can do well, then so can NW6 men.

 

[doubleindemnity]

If NW5 men can do well, then so can NW6 men.

But on your list, there are NW5 men who did well but all the NW6 men did badly. I personally think that the biggest turn off, after a lack of hairline, must be the horseshoe outline from behind. A NW6 has to live with that and there's the result.