ECI Scale-up and Manufacturing of Cell Therapies Conference
January 15-19, 2017
San Diego, CA
Dr. Gail Naughton to present "Challenges for Product Manufacture: From Discovery to Market"
Challenges for Product Manufacture: From Discovery to Market <<<< Lol, yes i can see that.
Are we sure they trial in Mexico has not started yet? I haven't been able to find any information neither denying nor confirming if they have started.who cares? Until they begin trials, they're not going to have anything new or worthwhile to share. We've been seeing the same slides and data for years now.
Are we sure they trial in Mexico has not started yet? I haven't been able to find any information neither denying nor confirming if they have started.
Hopefully the conference will help to clarify
I know a lot of people are down on Histogen. My question is if this skepticism is more rooted in their continuous delays and lack of transparency or if it's simply in the science?
I know a lot of people are down on Histogen. My question is if this skepticism is more rooted in their continuous delays and lack of transparency or if it's simply in the science?
Both. Have you seen the photos? The Ziering pic is their evidence of success, yet it's shady lighting and fraudulent photographer cast doubt on its legitimacy. We have yet to see any other great pictures that show its efficacy in men.
Yes, Gail has stated the next trials would be at 3x the dose, but until that happens I don't care. It could very well end up being a great treatment, but they haven't shown that yet. They need to just shut up until trials begin.
if you can't take a somewhat normal photo and show a decent change
They did. People still weren't satisfied. This is the shot:
^^I rest my case.
I agree, there is real growth in those pictures. My question is, why is only one case provided? If regrowth was that dramatic, why weren't more patient photos released?
Histogen has consistently over-promised and underproduced, and has yet to meet their own self-imposed deadlines. As I've said before, if they REALLY had the technology they claim to, they would have been bought by a major pharma a long, long time ago. Instead, they've been coasting along on fews, from one fundraising round after another, and now will (supposedly) be trialling in Mexico, which is suspicious to me. I'm not counting on Histogen for anything; Follica is our best near-term hope (unless Brotzu turns into a unicorn and actually works).
it's interesting how you still don't see the clear fraud in this before/after pics. it's an obvious combing+angle trick. i don't even care about the lighting. you used to debunk such frauds in the past.
i have great respect for you and all you did for the community so far... but you will be very dissapointed with histogen soon. this whole histogen fraud starting in mexico will be a huge fiasko. they will make millions though, before after some years people realize it's a scam... see dr. gho
but we couldn't care less really. tsuji is the real deal. and i'm personally also excited for follica and replicel
Come on, there's no amount of combing or angle trickery that could take that patient from left pic to right pic. Now did Histogen use dishonest photographic techniques to exemplify the effect? Yea most likely. But that's how I'd expect a company to do it - try to excite people to come out and have the procedure. It's still dishonest don't get me wrong, but calling it a "fraud" seems dramatic to me. Especially if they provide hair count figures that demonstrate a positive effect on male pattern baldness.
the more i look at the pic--the better it looks its simple light difference and not extreme..he clearly has more hair..just less light bouncing off it--cant create that hair though.
If they photoshopped it they would have done a better job with the lighting on the hair matching.
It's photoshopped! They combed the hair over! They lied about their data to the FDA!