hi all i want to say something about mature hairlines

[Guest]

hi
in 2007 i decided to go onto finasteride 1.25mg a day.alli have is a mature hairline about one inch either side gone and no other balding.i suppose a norwood 1 or 2.ive had this hairline since about age 32 im 36 now.over the past year ive seen my hair all over go very thin,i dont mean balding i mean fine hair,my hairline is worse than it was as well.ive just heard someone tell someone that testosterone kills your hairline,not dht.so guys answer me this,is it possible that you should not take finasteride for mature hairlines only?it seems it makes it worse.and only take finasteride if you balding properly?because apparently too much testosterone in the hairline(which finasteride makes more of)kills it.to add to this ive felt like sh*t on finasteride,im depressed and fatigued,ive recently 2 weeks ago cut down to .75mg every other day and im so different,my energy is back and i feel great.all i want to say is im not sure finasteride for a mature hairline(every man gets it at some stage)works,if anything it seems to make it worse,is this why merk and co never said to take it for hairline?makes you think.dht affects the crown and midle vertex,testos affects the front.anyway i feel like a man again,and of course i have no hairloss on the smaller dose becuase nothing was being lost anyway.i like everyone unfortunately panics wen there hairline goes,yet it seems you cant stop a mature hairline,and if you dopnt want ti to get worse just leave it,and dont medicate.only take finasteride if your balding.i have a head full of hair and i made the mistake of thinking it was male pattern baldness,but it wasnt,anyone got any comments on this theory?

 

[chancer]

youve been told some false information there...

DHT is a by product of your testostorone, we all produce it, in men with male pattern baldness the DHT effects the follicels abilitly to produce hair... thus thining till it eventually stops producing hair at all....



so taking finasteride will only reduce the DHT and will help your hair in that erea.... but there are many areas of male pattern baldness you need to cover... you may not be getting enough vitamins and minerals in your diet and this can have a bad effect of your hair...

maybe you should try MSM, Zinc, Silica, Omega 3 and Vit C suppliments everyday.... these all promote good hairgrowth and copled with finasteride could help...

Also, your scalp may not be in the best condition, imagine growing grass with bad top soil in a garden? wouidnt grow as well would it... use nizoral shampoo 3 times per week it will sort any scalp issues out...

and you may want to try minoxidil too ....

all these things combined will give you the best fighting chance to promote hair growth...

 

[Guest]

ok well whats this then?
metalheaddude
Post subject: Re: Propecia Destroys Hairlines?? Wtf
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Most people think only DHT destroys hair but the follicles are sensetive to testosterone as well (see Michael Barry's posts).
Its interesting to note the first thing that goes on most guys is the hairline mostly the juvenille hairline which is often made up of small vellus like hairs. This is because they are sensetive to testosterone more so than DHT.

And we all know finasteride lowers DHT and raises testosterone. So there could be a validity in the OP's concerns.

However my own opinion is that it will rarely regrow the hairline (at least not from a NW2 state) but it can certainly help maintain.

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[chancer]

Well, if Michael Barry has written that then im sure there is some repute there from some scientific theory....

But theories and facts are two different things. We know DHT is responsible and we know there is many other elements aside from DHT that contribute to male pattern baldness.

Its a very, very good assumption to say that DHT is the main factor in 90% of men’s male pattern baldness, so it would be very rational to start treating that area of male pattern baldness first. and like i said there are other areas that need to be tackled all at the same time to give you your optimum chance and i believe "First" regimen is probably the most all-round to tackle this.

Going back to DHT & finasteride. I have never ever read that finasteride increases testosterone. if it was so from a common sense perspective it would run against the side effect problems some people notice of lack of sex drive, less stiff erections etc...

if it increase testosterone then surely it would increase sexual desire, not do the opposite. so i am very sceptical there. if anything it would be more likely increase oestrogen then testosterone would it not?

 

[Guest]

that is something i agree with you about.i got bad effects on 1.25mg daily.and no way did it ever increase testos,no way.i felt like sh*t man,weak,couldnt work out properly,no sex drive.im now on 0.75 eod and its miles better.my strengh is back.i think what hes saying is dht is only testos anyway,just more potent.im sceptical that with finasteride it dosent ruin your hairline.mine was miles better than this without it.now im too scared to stop it and see if it regrows without finasteride.your in a catch 22 man.as i say i dont have any hairloss apart from 1 inch v hairline ressesion.so maybe i shouldve just left it in the first place.my father had the same hair as me with no baldness at all just temple ressesion.i think if you have a mature hairline then leave the drugs well alone because it makes it worse,but if u have male pattern baldness then go ahead.just an opinion.

 

[Thickandthin]

I don't think finasteride is going to make you lose hair in the hairline.

Look at the success stories forum. Just about everybody who posts one and is on finasteride has thickened up all over, including the hair line.

I've yet to see a success story where someone regrows their crown/vertex/midscalp but completely loses the hairline.

 

[DoctorHouse]

I agree with blackrain. finasteride causes some hormonal change in some people that leads to an increase in thinning hair especially at the the hairline. It happened to me. My hair was doing just fine with minoxidil and the lasercomb and thanks to these forums I started with Propecia and my hair went downhill around 8 to 10 months on Propecia. It bounced slight back but never back to before using Propecia. Too many people complain about this way too much. I think it might cause a massive shed and some people never recovery fully back to the baseline. Mostly all recover but most never get better than baseline. I would have been happy to get back to my baseline at least. I think unless your a NW2, stay away from Propecia. I cut my dose and I would like to go off it but I think now its too risky.

 

[Guest]

hmm interesting.you know what i want to see.can someone whos been taking finasteride for hairloss and claims to have more hair post your pictures here.i want to see evidence finasteride works.not from documents but from real pictures can someone do this please.show me your before finasteride and after cause im really not sure about this drug.just where is the proof from pictures this works?it just dosent make sense.wheres the thickening?show us all what finasteride has done to thicken hair.i reckon if you take 100 men,50 with male pattern baldness,25 with mature hairline and 25 with no hairloss the mature hairline will be worse,the male pattern baldness will stay the same and no hairloss, will be worse.there just dosent seem to be any one on here with a mature hairline that has taken finasteride and its worked,if there is show us all please.

 

[uncomfortable man]

You're 36 with an nw1/2. I am 33 going on nw6 so trust me when I say you are safe. People aren't tapping their friends on the shoulder when they see you out in public and say, "Hey, check that guy out, ha ha ha." like they do with me whenever I go out without my hat on. People won't sit in the empty seat next to me on a full bus, they would rather stand. I have endured so many humiliating moments because of this difference of mine. You've got your hair, so just relax and be glad you're not me.

 

[Thickandthin]

hmm interesting.you know what i want to see.can someone whos been taking finasteride for hairloss and claims to have more hair post your pictures here.i want to see evidence finasteride works.not from documents but from real pictures can someone do this please.show me your before finasteride and after cause im really not sure about this drug.just where is the proof from pictures this works?it just dosent make sense.wheres the thickening?show us all what finasteride has done to thicken hair.i reckon if you take 100 men,50 with male pattern baldness,25 with mature hairline and 25 with no hairloss the mature hairline will be worse,the male pattern baldness will stay the same and no hairloss, will be worse.there just dosent seem to be any one on here with a mature hairline that has taken finasteride and its worked,if there is show us all please.

Are you serious?

Look in the Success Stories forum. There are loads of threads where people have regrew and thickened up all over from finasteride.

 

[Guest]

im sorry uncomfortable man you are sh*t on by some senseless bastards i really am.did anything work for you man?whats your story?dont let the idiots get you down ok.talk to me man

 

[uncomfortable man]

It just sucks to know for a fact that if I had a full head of hair that people would treat me differently, with more respect (or at least not outwardly disrespecting me). I would be considered normal, but because of this one little feature people feel justified in treating me like a subhuman. It just goes to show how superficial people really are. I have been looking into hair transplants but there are just so many drawbacks, I don't think it is feasible. Maybe I should think about getting a really good hair system (wig) that is undetectable. I just want to feel like part of the human race again.

 

[Guest]

im amazed really that idiots even stoop that low.no ones perfect,if it isnt hair its weight if it isnt weight its looks and scars and so on.pepople with hair might have ugly friggin faces.but i do see your point.look i just cant really see a way out of this with hairloss.you obviously cant grow your hair if your bald,and even people with some hair there like norwood 4 or watever will struggle to get anything bak let alone keeping it for much longer.it seems that the only way to beat hairloss is have the geneticcs in the first place to not lose it.every man gets a mature hairline,but yours sounds far gone mate.i also think some people on here hype it all up too much,oh you can get your hair back and these drugs are wonderful,they dont really no wat there talking about man.finasteride dosent work for 80 poercent of men thats bs.youl be luky if its 30 percent.its all done to mArket the drugs and sell more.the trouble is some people on here are learning the hard way.ive met n o one on here or any other forum that looks like theve grown hair.they are deluding themselves.it looks worse or no diferent to the pics they show before.man i suggest you accept it.because there is no wonder drug.its a con.when did you start balding and wat does your hair look like now?

 

[uncomfortable man]

That is why I have never taken any of these drugs, none what so ever. Maybe I should have back when I was 22, but they can't help me now- nothing can. I know this. Like I said before, I am an NW6 (almost as bald as it gets), so when you ask me what my hair looks like now, I can only reply with "What hair?". If you want to see a picture, check out my thread entitled "Beyond hope for hair transplant?" in the transplant section, as I'm sure it will make you feel a whole lot better about your situation. As far as the assholes of the world go, most people with a full head of hair aren't attuned to this kind of behavior (unless they are participating in it) because it is not directed at them. But trust me once you go bald, a darker, less forgiving side of humanity emerges. People say I'm bitter and their right, I am. I am a tightly wound ball of highly corrosive toxic venom but I did not get this way by myself.

 

[Guest]

please please can someone whos taken finasteride,minoxidil and nizoral post me there pictures of before and after please so i can see the results of the grown hair.i want to see what the big 3 does for hairloss because i dont beleive it does anything at all.so prove me wrong.theres a guy here(uncomfortable man)who sounds like hes gona jump off a cliff soon through hairloss.now do they work or not?if so give me the proof.

 

[abcdefg]

First what this chance guy says:
Going back to DHT & finasteride. I have never ever read that finasteride increases testosterone. if it was so from a common sense perspective it would run against the side effect problems some people notice of lack of sex drive, less stiff erections etc...

Is completely wrong. Finasteride raises testosterone theres no arguing that one. The studies prove that which obviously he did not read. DHT is the result of testosterone conversion which again this person does not know even this basic fact.

Secondly the guy that made this thread can not spell and really has no idea what hes talking about. A meaningless rant in a hairloss forum? never seen that before. Where is the timeline with pictures in the same lighting to prove something? What were your blood tests before you started finasteride? Maybe tomorrow some of us can wake up a little smarter then today.

 

[bubka]

ok well whats this then?
metalheaddude
Post subject: Re: Propecia Destroys Hairlines?? Wtf
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:36 pm
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Most people think only DHT destroys hair but the follicles are sensetive to testosterone as well (see Michael Barry's posts).
Its interesting to note the first thing that goes on most guys is the hairline mostly the juvenille hairline which is often made up of small vellus like hairs. This is because they are sensetive to testosterone more so than DHT.

And we all know finasteride lowers DHT and raises testosterone. So there could be a validity in the OP's concerns.

However my own opinion is that it will rarely regrow the hairline (at least not from a NW2 state) but it can certainly help maintain.

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You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads! Now evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that cannot be done. Ah, would you remind me what I pay you people for, honestly? Throw me a bone here! What do we have?
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=46370

He is the biggest idiot on the forum, he tells people he went to Harvard (not kidding)

 

[chancer]

First what this chance guy says:
Going back to DHT & finasteride. I have never ever read that finasteride increases testosterone. if it was so from a common sense perspective it would run against the side effect problems some people notice of lack of sex drive, less stiff erections etc...

Is completely wrong. Finasteride raises testosterone theres no arguing that one. The studies prove that which obviously he did not read. DHT is the result of testosterone conversion which again this person does not know even this basic fact.

Secondly the guy that made this thread can not spell and really has no idea what hes talking about. A meaningless rant in a hairloss forum? never seen that before. Where is the timeline with pictures in the same lighting to prove something? What were your blood tests before you started finasteride? Maybe tomorrow some of us can wake up a little smarter then today.

I don’t ever mind being corrected if shown from a scientific and broken down perspective, and if you can enlighten us on that that it would be appreciated.

From a common sense perspective we know for a fact that our sexdrive to maintained by the produce of our testosterone (not DHT) so wouldn’t it be unbelievably odd for finasteride users to suffer with lack of libido whilst taking it if it actually raises testosterone? if you raise testosterone you raise your sexdrive. Where are all the users suffering from an over-sexdrive?

Though i dont rule out that testosterone may have an effect on hair as well as DHT. that sounds very plausible to me.