Half of these Products are Killing our Follicles!

[The Gardener]

Did you read any of the links I posted? I did back my claims with research.

My links showed that the FDA has ruled PPG as being safe for human consumption, as a food. In addition, PPG in Rogaine has undergone clinical trials which showed it to not only be safe enough for human use topically with a prescription, but safe enough of a substance to be sold "over the counter" without a prescription.

In addition, this article has a citation from the American Academy of Dermatology that you referred to:

"Minoxidil is an effective treatment for male and female Androgenetic Alopecia and is recommended as first-line treatment by the American Academy of Dermatology guidelines."

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030701/93.html

 

[Pondle]

I don't think we need to be too worried about SLS or PPG. Sure, SLS is a potential skin irritant, but I've read that the dire scare stories about it were created by a 'natural' cosmetics company, who had commercial interests of their own.

 

[Solo]

Stay away from that "water" $#iT! It's got hydrogen in it !!

 

[Jacobo]

Sodium Laurel Sulfate is a better point to make.

Gardener, can you elaborate on this? One of the ingredients of Nano Shampoo is Sodium Laureth Sulfate, I suppose that is the same thing you mention, I guess you misspelt laureth. Cheers

 

[The Gardener]

No, I don't personally think there is anything wrong with SLS, and I use shampoos with SLS everyday.

I was just trying to say to the OP that if you are going to pick on a chemical, I could understand picking on SLS a bit more, as there do seem to be some other people out in the web world who have raised similar concerns (justified or not) about SLS' safety.

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

Gardener,
Wiki is a great site but it can easily be edited by anyone and has virtually no approval process. That being said, I find it to be reliable and I think your posts on this particular issue are really helpful. Though there is still no scientific study looking at SLS or PPG effects solely on hairloss, to my knowledge.
We do have direct evidence that androgens (specifically DHT) have a direct correlation with male pattern baldness. IMO, genetics is far and away the deciding factor on hairloss. Attacking the issue internally remains our best approach. But I think one would be insane not to accept that outside factors (diet, environment, stress etc.) has some sort of an effect either on the general health of one's hair and/or the progression of their hairloss, though in my opinion these effects are minor. Unfortunately, there is so much contradictory information that my head just spins when I try to determine what is good or bad for my hair. I do find it highly unlikely that SLS or PPG is large contributing factor to hairloss. Men have been going bald long before the use of these chemicals. I suppose they could slightly increase hairloss in some men, but seriously people how can one make that claim based on internet reports. I can go to google and find 10 websites that claim to have "expert" knowledge that there was no such thing as dinosaurs.
This SLS issue (along with many others) is retread that comes up about once a month and I have yet to see anything definitively state that it is so awful for your hair.

 

[Jacobo]

Gardener, thanks. I spent a bucket of $$ on Proctor's stuff, you near kill me :lol:

 

[abcdefg]

Look the bottom line is these things are not in my mind proven either way to be bad or good. I dont use SLS everyday nor would I want to. I use it sometimes and it hasnt hurt my hair at all. Ive noticed nothing unusual and ive not seen a news program telling me people are dying with SLS so im not worried. Life is to short in my opinion to worry about these minor things. If you dont drink it I doubt it will kill you.

 

[Pondle]

How long has SLS been used in cosmetics.... 50 years? And how many genuine serious problems have been reported during that time?

 

[abcdefg]

SLS might be bad buts bad in a minor sort of way. If im losing hair depending on the seriousness of it im thinking major treatments to majorly alter its course. To stop using SLS is not going to stop male pattern baldness nor is drinking a glass of green tea or anything minor like that. Just my opinion and this forums full of em. If your looking to things to worry about in life you will find plenty of them. The fact is science cant do more then make a stupid guess. Only when there finally is enough evidence like smoking being bad for you can you really take it as a truth.

 

[JamesVegas]

Read this very carefully:

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... oiding.htm

Nizroal is in the top 10 MOST TOXIC consumer junk to put on your head.

So, please, get ketoconozole and have your pharmacy compound it with a natural shampoo.

 

[Balding_1]

Read this very carefully:

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... oiding.htm

Nizroal is in the top 10 MOST TOXIC consumer junk to put on your head.

So, please, get ketoconozole and have your pharmacy compound it with a natural shampoo.

Please spread your propaganda somewhere else.

 

[abcdefg]

If im not mistaken most personal cosmetic items do not require testing or FDA approval. So I guess you can be scared of all cosmetic items you need to use everyday or just live with it and take a chance. We all die someday no matter how careful you are about the shampoo you use. Some people need to go outside and look at nature. How many tigers are scared of eating contaminated meat? You live so long, you get older, and you die. Be lucky we even have shampoos at all your more then welcome to buy whatever all natural crap you want. When we are both 80 years old we wont care what shampoo we used.

 

[So]

Everytime I use something, someone tells me it's bad.

Green Tea is bad, Finasteride is bad and now Nizoral is bad? For f*** sake.

What else do you unclog your follicles with?

 

[Jojje]

dont eat food.. its all poisond.. just pills and powder.. and cook youre water 10 times before you drink it so you dont get any bacteria.
!!!

 

[The Gardener]

Nizroal is in the top 10 MOST TOXIC consumer junk to put on your head.

People living in a city probably inhale an exponentially larger factor of toxins associated with far more morbidity on a daily basis than one should worry about in a shampoo.

I haven't seen any evidence of morbidity or disease clusters associated with Nizoral?

Perhaps a cigarette might help calm your nerves?

 

[SkylineGTR]

they're killing my follicles sooo much that I'm regrowing hair...

DAMN THESE PRODUCTS!!!!

 

[Jacobo]

Read this very carefully:

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/0 ... oiding.htm

Nizroal is in the top 10 MOST TOXIC consumer junk to put on your head.

So, please, get ketoconozole and have your pharmacy compound it with a natural shampoo.

If you read carefully that article, it just says that certaint compounds could or may do that, not one single proof of anything at all. Even if that web probes anything (they don't) that will be pointless as well. Paracetamol is harmless in certain amounts, and lethal if you overdose it.

Internet is a blessing on overall, in spite of scaremongers like JamesVegas. Go out more, love

 

[The Gardener]

That's a good analysis, Jacobo.

 

[Jacobo]

Thanks, Gardener. I hate that sort of mumble jumble information. They play with our basic fears (cancer, genetic disorder) without proving anything. And we tend to believe published information as true by default, let's say NYT lying is a scandal. But any idiot have world access through internet, and then we have to raise up our level of credulity. I suppose that it has to be difficult to moderators of forums.