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michael barry said:
Okay I'm getting confused here...you're checking to see if Nizoral/Revivogen reduce body hair? I don't really understand anti-androgens I guess, and this seems to go against logic...
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Okay I'm getting confused here...you're checking to see if Nizoral/Revivogen reduce body hair? I don't really understand anti-androgens I guess, and this seems to go against logic...
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Snarfleflous said:
It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. DHT suppresses scalp hair growth and encourages the growth of body hair. So when you apply a topical that supposedly reduces DHT to your wrist, growth will be inhibited.
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Snarfleflous said:
The very first thing you should learn in Hairloss 101 is that sex hormones have OPPOSITE effects on body hair and scalp hair: they generally STIMULATE the growth of body hair (with a few exceptions), and SUPPRESS the growth of scalp hair.
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To any and all wondering what Im getting at by testing topical anti-androgens..........................
Ive been on finasteride for a decade. It didn't really decrease my body hair, but I stopped getting hairier. I was well on my way to being a quite hairy man.
WE have other testosteorone metabolites in the body................Testosterone itself, andro, DHEA, etc.
I was interested in testing Revivogen to see if the beta-sitosterol in it acted as an estrogen and competitively blocked androgen receptors on body hair and really shut it down. It did. Pine oil, which is 10-19% beta sis, also had a good anti-androgenic effect. Both of these things stink though, and make your hair look oily. We know spironolactone is used in hisutisim.
I know that women "have to shave their legs", so body hair might get growth instructions when other hormones (pehraps estriadol) are uptaken. However, I'd expect a good receptor blocker to thin out our body hair (especially the upper body hair above the waist) for the most part. Pubic hair is supposed to be very androgen sensitive for example.
Id like to see some entity (or one of us) try spironolactone on thier wrist or a patch of chest hair twice a day and see how much less growth there is. I'd like to see lavendar and tea tree oil tried based on the gyno boys who bathe with it in the tub have been getting (according to the MSNBC article), Im attempting to test hops and green tea on a finger right now, and am retesting revivogen on a forearm. Thyme would be another substance I'd like to see tested as well as some of the other plant sterols.
Its frustrating to sometimes post on these subjects and by the responses you get be able to tell people merely graze posts, and not actually READ them. If a bunch of us tested all the potential anti-androgen topicals (and I mean licorice, hops, cottonseed oils, etc.) we, as hairloss sufferers could either eliminate all of them from contention, or we might hit the jackpot and find one that is cheap and really is effective on human skin on human hair.
So, if anyone is pissed off about the relative lack of study data, pick out one and try it on your wrist hair for 4 good months.
Ive been on finasteride for a decade. It didn't really decrease my body hair, but I stopped getting hairier. I was well on my way to being a quite hairy man.
WE have other testosteorone metabolites in the body................Testosterone itself, andro, DHEA, etc.
I was interested in testing Revivogen to see if the beta-sitosterol in it acted as an estrogen and competitively blocked androgen receptors on body hair and really shut it down. It did. Pine oil, which is 10-19% beta sis, also had a good anti-androgenic effect. Both of these things stink though, and make your hair look oily. We know spironolactone is used in hisutisim.
I know that women "have to shave their legs", so body hair might get growth instructions when other hormones (pehraps estriadol) are uptaken. However, I'd expect a good receptor blocker to thin out our body hair (especially the upper body hair above the waist) for the most part. Pubic hair is supposed to be very androgen sensitive for example.
Id like to see some entity (or one of us) try spironolactone on thier wrist or a patch of chest hair twice a day and see how much less growth there is. I'd like to see lavendar and tea tree oil tried based on the gyno boys who bathe with it in the tub have been getting (according to the MSNBC article), Im attempting to test hops and green tea on a finger right now, and am retesting revivogen on a forearm. Thyme would be another substance I'd like to see tested as well as some of the other plant sterols.
Its frustrating to sometimes post on these subjects and by the responses you get be able to tell people merely graze posts, and not actually READ them. If a bunch of us tested all the potential anti-androgen topicals (and I mean licorice, hops, cottonseed oils, etc.) we, as hairloss sufferers could either eliminate all of them from contention, or we might hit the jackpot and find one that is cheap and really is effective on human skin on human hair.
So, if anyone is pissed off about the relative lack of study data, pick out one and try it on your wrist hair for 4 good months.
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Michael Barry, i volunteer to be a guinea pig. Pick 2 potential antiandrogens for me and let me know some details about where on my body should i use it ,how many times a day,concentrations ..etc.
I`m pissed about this waiting,year after year after year.....
I will try to do something about it,like you said we might hit the jackpot ,we might come up with nothing.At least we tryied....
I`m pissed about this waiting,year after year after year.....
I will try to do something about it,like you said we might hit the jackpot ,we might come up with nothing.At least we tryied....
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Cool.
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.
michael barry,
First off, that's good news about revivogen; is the only difference between revivogen and crinagen the fatty acids?
Anyhow, I think your idea is a fantastic one and I'm sure there are quite a few people who would be willing to test topicals on their body hair - I for one have quite a bit to spare. Maybe if you devoted a thread to the topic, and listed all the possible topicals, you could enlist some volunteers and they could even include some before/after pics to gauge effectiveness. Sort of an HLH clinical trial?
First off, that's good news about revivogen; is the only difference between revivogen and crinagen the fatty acids?
Anyhow, I think your idea is a fantastic one and I'm sure there are quite a few people who would be willing to test topicals on their body hair - I for one have quite a bit to spare. Maybe if you devoted a thread to the topic, and listed all the possible topicals, you could enlist some volunteers and they could even include some before/after pics to gauge effectiveness. Sort of an HLH clinical trial?
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Id like for someone to test topical sprionolactone once a day on one wrist and twice a day on the other. That would be fascinating to see just how much more reduction of body hair was achieved.
On Crinagen...........................I tried it with very little success. I dont think it has nearly as much GLA (or other fatty acids either) and less beta sitosterol. I think it relies more on zinc and azeliac acid. It contains no alchohol, thus it possibly didn't penetrate as well.
Revivogen definitely reduced wrist hair at three months. Im nervous (believe it or not) about the effect of beta sitosterol on TGF-beta 1 however, I looked at an article the other night claiming beta sis upped the expression of the inflammatory cytokine. That wouldn't be a good thing, but I guess if you blocked androgen receptors utterly, it wouldn't matter.
Pine oil, which is 10-19% beta sis reduced hair on the back of my hand (but not quite as impressively as revivogen did). It too, stinks........not something you'd want to have on all day.
I'd like to see lavendar and tea tree oil tested on body hair alone.
Im personally already giving green tea mixed with beer a try on a finger's hair, and redoing the revivogen on a forearm. I intend to take pics of any success this time, and will send em' into hairsite. But that will be about three more months at least from now. Im also testing 1% nizoral on a wrist right now. ...........so we will know by summer. I'll post of any successes.
There are a bunch of old remedies for baldness like thyme, chamomille, licorice, cottonseed oil, etc. that probably have some anti-androgenic activity. Finasteride was supposedly developed from a South American tuber (Wookie posted that). We know Curcumin inhibited hamster flank organ growth about as well as gamma linolenic acid (revivogen's best ingredient as far as a dht inhibtitor is concerned).
On Crinagen...........................I tried it with very little success. I dont think it has nearly as much GLA (or other fatty acids either) and less beta sitosterol. I think it relies more on zinc and azeliac acid. It contains no alchohol, thus it possibly didn't penetrate as well.
Revivogen definitely reduced wrist hair at three months. Im nervous (believe it or not) about the effect of beta sitosterol on TGF-beta 1 however, I looked at an article the other night claiming beta sis upped the expression of the inflammatory cytokine. That wouldn't be a good thing, but I guess if you blocked androgen receptors utterly, it wouldn't matter.
Pine oil, which is 10-19% beta sis reduced hair on the back of my hand (but not quite as impressively as revivogen did). It too, stinks........not something you'd want to have on all day.
I'd like to see lavendar and tea tree oil tested on body hair alone.
Im personally already giving green tea mixed with beer a try on a finger's hair, and redoing the revivogen on a forearm. I intend to take pics of any success this time, and will send em' into hairsite. But that will be about three more months at least from now. Im also testing 1% nizoral on a wrist right now. ...........so we will know by summer. I'll post of any successes.
There are a bunch of old remedies for baldness like thyme, chamomille, licorice, cottonseed oil, etc. that probably have some anti-androgenic activity. Finasteride was supposedly developed from a South American tuber (Wookie posted that). We know Curcumin inhibited hamster flank organ growth about as well as gamma linolenic acid (revivogen's best ingredient as far as a dht inhibtitor is concerned).
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So any new concensus on every other day with folligen instead of everyday?
