Finasteride Plus Testosterone To Reduce Overall Sides

[Badbald]

Iv been thinking about this alot lately, i know a few people have mentioned it before but not much was discussed from what i can remember. The idea of this being to up your over all testosterone levels and then use Finasteride to specifically target DHT levels in order to reduce the side effects of the finasteride.

Alot of people are on here because of the sides that can happen with finasteride, so decide to stop taking it so im suprised that not more have done this or at least wrote about doing it. Im not suggesting anyone take steroids but rather the legal TRT that can be obtained. Yes I know its not as simple as turn down one hormone and up the other but i know lots of people that have been on testosterone and have all said about the crazy sex drive they got from it so one would think in theory it could certainly help and at the very least would be worth experimenting as a protocol.

I know people might say "oh your playing with your endocrine system" but your doing that by taking either of the two anyway so id like to see some solid research done saying it can mess you up worse by doing these combined before i believe it is any worse for you.

So really i guess my post is has anyone ever tired this before and what results did they get?

 

[g.i joey]

for what its worth i took 5mg cialis last weekend for my first time cause i was in Toronto and wanted to f*** after the club(ive always had whiskey dick, even before finasteride), my sex drive is literally back to pre finasteride a whole week later, ive been having boners the past week non-stop and it doesnt look like its stopping. My Doctor even told me it might have this effect... im starting to think it just cleared my anxiety of solid erections on finasteride because effects of cialis last 20 hours and here i am a week later..

Before you go f*** with your hormones some more id say give it a try.. BTW, WOW i was f*****g like a dog on that stuff, stayed rock hard for over an hour.

 

[Alk]

This is counter productive, wont help with sides and not a good idea.

Your free testosterone will already be elevated from being on finasteride.

 

[Badbald]

for what its worth i took 5mg cialis last weekend for my first time cause i was in Toronto and wanted to f*** after the club(ive always had whiskey dick, even before finasteride), my sex drive is literally back to pre finasteride a whole week later, ive been having boners the past week non-stop and it doesnt look like its stopping. My Doctor even told me it might have this effect... im starting to think it just cleared my anxiety of solid erections on finasteride because effects of cialis last 20 hours and here i am a week later..

Before you go f*** with your hormones some more id say give it a try.. BTW, WOW i was f*****g like a dog on that stuff, stayed rock hard for over an hour.

Thats good to hear man! nothing worse then having a really low libido, iv been there also without finasteride and its so so bad. i have heard that finasteride can do that for the first period you take it as your T levels are upped after the dht going down but hopefully it stays like that for you, keep me posted and let us know how it goes

 

[Badbald]

This is counter productive, wont help with sides and not a good idea.

Your free testosterone will already be elevated from being on finasteride.

I know what your saying about the elevated free T but dont you think it would be worth knowing through people trying to see if by ramping up T levels more while of course still blocking the dht could help the sides. the extra free T may be converted into other sex hormones as iv heard when you have elevated levels and your body has enough of the T thats what it does with the excess T there are much more hormones that go into sex drive then just DHT so in theory these other hormones could be increase from the excess and the DHT would remain blocked

 

[Massive]

for what its worth i took 5mg cialis last weekend for my first time cause i was in Toronto and wanted to f*** after the club(ive always had whiskey dick, even before finasteride), my sex drive is literally back to pre finasteride a whole week later, ive been having boners the past week non-stop and it doesnt look like its stopping. My Doctor even told me it might have this effect... im starting to think it just cleared my anxiety of solid erections on finasteride because effects of cialis last 20 hours and here i am a week later..

Before you go f*** with your hormones some more id say give it a try.. BTW, WOW i was f*****g like a dog on that stuff, stayed rock hard for over an hour.

I had some left over cialis 10mg pills from thailand which i never used cuz half a pill of v**** was doing its magic.

Anyway fast forword later i split that 10mg cialis into 3 and tried it. I had a pretty insane pump through out the day and i felt like i could get it up whenever i wanted. I like the feeling of cialis that i just took it regardless of sex, also had good gym workouts. After i ran out i never bought it again tho. Damn man i ought to buy some cialis again ...

 

[Massive]

Iv been thinking about this alot lately, i know a few people have mentioned it before but not much was discussed from what i can remember. The idea of this being to up your over all testosterone levels and then use Finasteride to specifically target DHT levels in order to reduce the side effects of the finasteride.

Alot of people are on here because of the sides that can happen with finasteride, so decide to stop taking it so im suprised that not more have done this or at least wrote about doing it. Im not suggesting anyone take steroids but rather the legal TRT that can be obtained. Yes I know its not as simple as turn down one hormone and up the other but i know lots of people that have been on testosterone and have all said about the crazy sex drive they got from it so one would think in theory it could certainly help and at the very least would be worth experimenting as a protocol.

I know people might say "oh your playing with your endocrine system" but your doing that by taking either of the two anyway so id like to see some solid research done saying it can mess you up worse by doing these combined before i believe it is any worse for you.

So really i guess my post is has anyone ever tired this before and what results did they get?

I'm not against trt at all, im just wondering, dont u become infertile after a while ? Im guessing i would have to pay fees to save my sperm till i dont want kids anymore. Plus it would be odd explaining it to ur future wife/gf once u wanna have kids ...
Other than that i would love to go on trt but i would probably lose all my hair on trt even if i was on a triple dutasteride dosage and what not ...

 

[g.i joey]

I had some left over cialis 10mg pills from thailand which i never used cuz half a pill of v**** was doing its magic.

Anyway fast forword later i split that 10mg cialis into 3 and tried it. I had a pretty insane pump through out the day and i felt like i could get it up whenever i wanted. I like the feeling of cialis that i just took it regardless of sex, also had good gym workouts. After i ran out i never bought it again tho. Damn man i ought to buy some cialis again ...

100% agree, its officially one week since I took my first and only dose of cialis 5mg and I'm still popping stiffys randomly and managed to talk a girl into meeting at her place tonight .. I know what you mean about general feeling of being on it. You feel a lot more vascular and gym pumps def go up! But wowww man f*****g on cialis is a whole other ball game, never have I ever been able to keep going after finishing the first time I always usually have a solid 20 min buffer period, but not on this stuff.

TBH I think knowing I have access to cialis when I need is enough for me to not use it and feel confident with having sex and not worrying about my performance... going to smash around midnight will keep y'all posted, I'm not taking any cialis tonight. Shits expensive too, I bought 2 generic pills costume 40 bucks!

 

[Zoro]

Iv been thinking about this alot lately, i know a few people have mentioned it before but not much was discussed from what i can remember. The idea of this being to up your over all testosterone levels and then use Finasteride to specifically target DHT levels in order to reduce the side effects of the finasteride.

Alot of people are on here because of the sides that can happen with finasteride, so decide to stop taking it so im suprised that not more have done this or at least wrote about doing it. Im not suggesting anyone take steroids but rather the legal TRT that can be obtained. Yes I know its not as simple as turn down one hormone and up the other but i know lots of people that have been on testosterone and have all said about the crazy sex drive they got from it so one would think in theory it could certainly help and at the very least would be worth experimenting as a protocol.

I know people might say "oh your playing with your endocrine system" but your doing that by taking either of the two anyway so id like to see some solid research done saying it can mess you up worse by doing these combined before i believe it is any worse for you.

So really i guess my post is has anyone ever tired this before and what results did they get?

There's no point to this if you're using legal TRT, TRT dose would leave your test levels similar to what they are now (possibly lower if your natty levels are high), except with a deflated ballsack

 

[Massive]

100% agree, its officially one week since I took my first and only dose of cialis 5mg and I'm still popping stiffys randomly and managed to talk a girl into meeting at her place tonight .. I know what you mean about general feeling of being on it. You feel a lot more vascular and gym pumps def go up! But wowww man f*****g on cialis is a whole other ball game, never have I ever been able to keep going after finishing the first time I always usually have a solid 20 min buffer period, but not on this stuff.

TBH I think knowing I have access to cialis when I need is enough for me to not use it and feel confident with having sex and not worrying about my performance... going to smash around midnight will keep y'all posted, I'm not taking any cialis tonight. Shits expensive too, I bought 2 generic pills costume 40 bucks!

You bring up a very good idea. I think that just knowing I have those pills in my drawer waiting for me would boost up my confidence. I'd say I'm 95% positive that finasteride has given reduced erection quality. Like I can't reach that rock hard and stay there like I used to.
Having cialis around would be a good insurance.
Regarding price , did u just say 2 pills for $40 ??
I got an ebay seller from India on whatsapp, u can ask him to buy u cialis and send it over. He's trust worthy. Send me a pm if ur interested.

 

[horunger]

Badbald, if youre talking legal trt like in Testosterone Decanoate then ok, but if its stuff bought from supplement stores then its of course no use. But your idea is interesting, im on duta and having symptomes of increased T levels, maybe this is why im having only good side effects from duta.

Im considering trying testosterone decanoate but its unrelated to hairloss or sideffects from hairloss meds. My Doctor will never approve since im not really deficient, but im lucky enough to be staying in a place its sold freely over the counter.

 

[horunger]

Note that testosterone treatment can increase gyno so you could make some fina side effects worse.

 

[horunger]

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I'm not against trt at all, im just wondering, dont u become infertile after a while ? Im guessing i would have to pay fees to save my sperm till i dont want kids anymore. Plus it would be odd explaining it to ur future wife/gf once u wanna have kids ...
Other than that i would love to go on trt but i would probably lose all my hair on trt even if i was on a triple dutasteride dosage and what not ...

Duta has been proven to keep the prostate growth in check even when using high dose testosterone steroids, a medium dose of lets say 1000mg injectable T Decanoate every 4-6 weeks shouls be easy to counter.

Your mix-up is that you think of T, but duta inhibits the enzymes, so unless you plan to inject yourself with 5ar instead of T its spockillogical.

 

[Badbald]

surely countering duta sides would be a different process all together in order to counter sides then finasteride though? and if injecting 5ar did work i guess thats also an option to experiment with for people that are suffering from sides and have no other choice. In regards to the cialis its great that it works but it should only really be giving you a hard one as opposed to actually increasing your libido to normal levels, theres a big difference between the two.

 

[horunger]

Same if its duta or fina if the sides arise from low DHT.

 

[Badbald]

in terms of the TRT increasing infertility i wouldnt want to say yes or no as i dont know enough about it, all i do know is from lots and lots of people aged betweeen late 20s to late 30s iv heard it can really increase your sex drive. I guess it causing your balls to shut down is something serious to consider but from what iv heard finasteride has done that to alot of people and given them the watery sperm, i dont care what people say about this, it cannot be good for your fertility and sounds to me as a definite sign your balls are shutting down from finasteride anyway. if youve tried coming off it and the effects are permanent then maybe your not making it much worse then what it already is by taking the T?

 

[horunger]

I had watery sperm on fina and made one girl preggy on the first date, fertility is not a problem. Testosterone Decanoate has been considered used as a male contraceptive, now that sounds severe... however its not permanent.

 

[Massive]

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Duta has been proven to keep the prostate growth in check even when using high dose testosterone steroids, a medium dose of lets say 1000mg injectable T Decanoate every 4-6 weeks shouls be easy to counter.

Your mix-up is that you think of T, but duta inhibits the enzymes, so unless you plan to inject yourself with 5ar instead of T its spockillogical.

I'm not sure I'm getting your point ?
I should have elaborated, in my mind I was thinking about 125mg weekly TRT injections. If I'm already losing my hair on finasteride, then I'm pretty sure that a TRT would only further accelerate the process. I was on dutasteride in the past for 4 months and I lost at even more accelerated pace, not to mention that physically and mentally i felt like utter sh*t and my junk was like a steam noodle, that I did not wanna stick it out.
My point is that I'm very certain that TRT or a mild steroid cycle would accelerate my hair loss, even if I took extreme measures, name whatever current drug there is on the market. Although the hair loss as a side effect was a minuscule point.
The main point is wouldn't I go infertile in the long run on TRT ? That means I'd have to save my sperm and once I decide to have kids it would be quite weird explaining it to the spouse.

 

[horunger]

I'm not sure I'm getting your point ?
I should have elaborated, in my mind I was thinking about 125mg weekly TRT injections. If I'm already losing my hair on finasteride, then I'm pretty sure that a TRT would only further accelerate the process. I was on dutasteride in the past for 4 months and I lost at even more accelerated pace, not to mention that physically and mentally i felt like utter sh*t and my junk was like a steam noodle, that I did not wanna stick it out.
My point is that I'm very certain that TRT or a mild steroid cycle would accelerate my hair loss, even if I took extreme measures, name whatever current drug there is on the market. Although the hair loss as a side effect was a minuscule point.
The main point is wouldn't I go infertile in the long run on TRT ? That means I'd have to save my sperm and once I decide to have kids it would be quite weird explaining it to the spouse.

I see, you have a deviating response to Duta. However you cannot know how you would react to T combined with duta or fina, it could get better for all you know. And, high T and hairloss has no evident connection, men with high T dont automatically lose hair. You say you are pretty sure but not without assuming a few things in the process.

I see your point about fertility, not questioning that but if its permanent is a different matter.

 

[Massive]

I see, you have a deviating response to Duta. However you cannot know how you would react to T combined with duta or fina, it could get better for all you know. And, high T and hairloss has no evident connection, men with high T dont automatically lose hair. You say you are pretty sure but not without assuming a few things in the process.

I see your point about fertility, not questioning that but if its permanent is a different matter.

Exactly man, along with a few guys here that are also suffering, I'm not the typical finasteride/dutasteride responder. I apologize if I sound a bit bitter and this is just a personal rant but it pisses me off that there are guys are worried to touch finasteride let alone dutasteride, yet I was ready jump in the deep water straight from the beginning and I can't manage to halt/stabilize my hair loss with the heavier guns. I remember popping my first week of popping dutasteride pills I was so excited, I felt like I was doing the right decision, quickly it all turned around. On the contrary, I'm a decent responder to minoxidil, which is bringing some of my hair to life, but I would gladly switch that around and be a finasteride/dutasteride responder and just take finasteride/dutasteride for many years coming.

I am very intrigued about first trying a mild cycle to test the waters, and who knows, perhaps I might end up on TRT eventually. I'm 6'2" / 225lbs now, would love to get to 240ish, although don't think I could make it there natty without sacrificing a lot of bodyfat. You did make me ponder hopefully that I might actually be fine regarding hair loss with higher test, I will definitely start looking into that. Perhaps @shookwun could chime in, I vaguely recall one of his posts saying while he was on finasteride, even on test + tren it didn't affect his hair. Although you can find men with high test and barely any hair loss, it seems like most men that are cycling test are accelerating their hair loss if their prone to male pattern baldness, which is why even tho I'm very tempted to try, cuz as you said you never know until you try, but it's a decision I would not take lightly unless I couldn't care about hair anymore.