This appears to be the only active ongoing thread. I think that shows the state of male pattern baldness treatments. I think young men are giving up and perhaps they should. This is a lifelong and often fruitless and frustrating battle and even if anything works, it takes so long to work that it's hard to know whether to continue with the treatment or not but basically except for the handful that do at least something, none of the others work and they are a pain in the *** where you have to spread stuff on your hair all of the time and leave it there and they never do anything anyway. Zix anyone?