Dr Zarev Vacuum Assisted Tecnique For Graft Extraction

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Haha. Well, its the truth, and I've been enjoying my hair. No need to live on a forum, my hair loss has been cured, and I'm enjoying life.
I came here, because a friend of mine who also had surgery with Lorenzo, told me about Zarev. And someone mentioned Lorenzo in this thread.
I have thousands of pics, I'll post them soon. Maybe I'll even start a thread on my journey.
 

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Guys I think you all just got caught up in the hype. If you just take a step back for a moment and judge this situation from a prespective, you will realize it's just a gambling to have the procedure with him right now.
I dont care how good those results look, he is unknown, barely experienced doctor, with zero patient reviews, nobody knows who trained him, barely any information about his technique, which is currently not being used anywhere else in the industry, therefore no evidence or explanation about its pros and cons.
Dont get me wrong, I hope he is legit great doctor, and this method will lead some revolution in the hair transplant industry, so I will know that I can use it in the future if I need. But Im definitely not going to put my precious hair to that risk right now, pure gambling.
 

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For a video of his work, here is what was reported at the hairloss2020 blog site:

"At the upcoming GHLS 2020 virtual conference, I will show a detailed video of one of my two-day operations. The video shows all stages of a patient’s first operation, in which the surgical plan includes the transplantation of a total of 11,500 grafts. And I want to clarify that in my practice, nurses do not have direct contact with the patient during the operation. I always perform personally all manipulations on the scalp, both in the process of extraction and in the process of implantation.”"

Everyone would like some patient accounts...I hope myself and a few other posters here will provide them to the community ;).
 

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Guys I think you all just got caught up in the hype. If you just take a step back for a moment and judge this situation from a prespective, you will realize it's just a gambling to have the procedure with him right now.
I dont care how good those results look, he is unknown, barely experienced doctor, with zero patient reviews, nobody knows who trained him, barely any information about his technique, which is currently not being used anywhere else in the industry, therefore no evidence or explanation about its pros and cons.
Dont get me wrong, I hope he is legit great doctor, and this method will lead some revolution in the hair transplant industry, so I will know that I can use it in the future if I need. But Im definitely not going to put my precious hair to that risk right now, pure gambling.
Meh don’t think this kind of fear mongering belongs in this thread. You act like he’s this shady fraud, come on man. He’s an IAHRS member, praised by Dr. Cole and Dr. Rassman (father of FUE). No experience...? He has 9 years of experience according to IAHRS, graduated from medical school. He was probably trained by Dr. Mihail Skerlev, the one who founded the Galatea Clinic that Zarev works at. Since when do we care about “who trained the top doctors” - it’s pretty meaningless. Who trained Michael Jordan, does anyone really care? “Pure gambling” lol... a hair transplant with ANY doctor is a gamble and every doctor will have cases of shitty results. I’d much rather take my chances with Zarev now than most others.. The fact that Zarev is young and already has results far superior to the vast majority of other surgeons is incredible - photo and video evidence to prove it. You completely write off his results but results are EVERYTHING. Results don’t lie, and if you disagree then you insinuate that he’s manipulating the MANY detailed photos and videos he’s posted. If you want to wait until he becomes so popular that his wait list is 3 years long, by all means go ahead. But Jesus, stop talking out of your ***.

I myself have booked a flight for a consultation with him in March and a potential surgery next December depending on how the consult goes.
 

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^Yes. I don't doubt his legitimacy at all. He's obviously very credentialed and William Rassman, the creator of the FUE, knows him personally.

I'd say rather the way some of these results appear to be "unbelievable" stem from the fact that they're likely selected from a very small type of advantageous cases. Most people are not going to qualify for this many grafts and subsequently he is not going to perform them or show them.
 

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I'm on this hair forums since 5 years already, I have never seen transplants like this, on Nw5! They don't have huge donor too but is like he finds hair possible to cover all the scalp... It sounds all so strange to me, too f*****g strange
 

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Meh don’t think this kind of fear mongering belongs in this thread. You act like he’s this shady fraud, come on man. He’s an IAHRS member, praised by Dr. Cole and Dr. Rassman (father of FUE). No experience...? He has 9 years of experience according to IAHRS, graduated from medical school. He was probably trained by Dr. Mihail Skerlev, the one who founded the Galatea Clinic that Zarev works at. Since when do we care about “who trained the top doctors” - it’s pretty meaningless. Who trained Michael Jordan, does anyone really care? “Pure gambling” lol... a hair transplant with ANY doctor is a gamble and every doctor will have cases of shitty results. I’d much rather take my chances with Zarev now than most others.. The fact that Zarev is young and already has results far superior to the vast majority of other surgeons is incredible - photo and video evidence to prove it. You completely write off his results but results are EVERYTHING. Results don’t lie, and if you disagree then you insinuate that he’s manipulating the MANY detailed photos and videos he’s posted. If you want to wait until he becomes so popular that his wait list is 3 years long, by all means go ahead. But Jesus, stop talking out of your ***.

I myself have booked a flight for a consultation with him in March and a potential surgery next December depending on how the consult goes.
Lol, you say bunch of bullsh*t that half of it doesnt even respond to my claims and the other just isnt true. You obviously talk with your emotions because you got caught up on him, while I see the stuff objectively, as they are. You say I monger fear because you just cant accept facts.
So, let me start with the first most important thing you just couldnt understand - THERE ARE NO PATIENT TESTIMONIALS. without random, unbiased, objective patient testimonials you cant know SH*T.
* The fact he is a member of IAHRS doesnt say alot, I wouldnt give much credit to his organization, it's connected with spencer kobren and baldtruthtaIk which dont give a f*ck about anything accept making money. they shut down patients that report bad cases from those doctors. totally untrusted.
* Who cares about where the doctor was trained? lol the fact that you have limited knowledge about hair transplants doesnt mean it is meaningless. B*sanga tained by Cole, De Freitas and Ferraira trained by Lorenzo, Pekiner trained by Keser, Keser by HLC I think and I know of much more. Im not saying that is really crucial, but it is just another thing that I mentioned that's it. Now, I dont know who this Mihail is, but quick search shows me he is a plastic surgeon, lol, doesnt sound good at all if you know something about hair transplant industry.
* "hair transplant with any doctor is a gamble" - yes genius, in the pure sense, everything in life has some risk chances, the question is what are the chances for failure. With top well known doctors, the chances are low. With unknown doctor the chances are high. It's called statistics. You know it?
* You keep talking about results and how results is everything - Sure, but what results does he have??? This is the question genius, you dont know just by looking at pictures he publishes, there can be hundreds of ways to manipulate the results or exposing only 'half truth'. Let me tell you there are plenty of turkish hairmills who publish superb results in their instagram, and people just see this, get all excited, and go there just to get butchered. And it's not "only results", what about post-op follow up? what if someone needs a touch up? what if you get poor results? does he care for you or just dismiss you after you paid? Reputable doctors often offer free touch up. Moreover, even if all the results he shows are 100% legit, those are just 40-50? what about the other cases? what if large portion of his other cases are really poor results or even straight up butcher procedures? would you take a risk of 60% SUPER AMAZING results and 40% sh*tty results? those not the odds you should take for your hair.

Now, since Im sure you didnt really understand alot from what Im saying because you probably conclude stupid conclusions in your head, I will put it in simple words: Im not saying he is a fraud, I actually feel he is legit, yes, and his results look amazing. BUT, I cant be sure, and I have no way to research his work in a reliable way, which means - go through various forums, read opinions, review his patient cases, and do some statistics comparing his number of good/average/bad results and have an informed decision. I CANT DO IT. SO IT IS A RISK. A risk bigger than the one you get with the current top, reputable, well-known surgeons. If I had to put some money on his stock, sure I would do it, but not my damn hair.
As someone that going to get a transplant soon, I have more reliable options, I let you guys try him, and I hope you get superb results so I will know to schedule with him for my next one if I need.
 
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Lol, you say bunch of bullsh*t that half of it doesnt even respond to my claims and the other just isnt true. You obviously talk with your emotions because you got caught up on him, while I see the stuff objectively, as they are. You say I monger fear because you just cant accept facts.
So, let me start with the first most important thing you just couldnt understand - THERE ARE NO PATIENT TESTIMONIALS. without random, unbiased, objective patient testimonials you cant know SH*T.
* The fact he is a member of IAHRS doesnt say alot, I wouldnt give much credit to his organization, it's connected with spencer kobren and baldtruthtaIk which dont give a f*ck about anything accept making money. they shut down patients that report bad cases from those doctors. totally untrusted.
* Who cares about where the doctor was trained? lol the fact that you have limited knowledge about hair transplants doesnt mean it is meaningless. B*sanga tained by Cole, De Freitas and Ferraira trained by Lorenzo, Pekiner trained by Keser, Keser by HLC I think and I know of much more. Im not saying that is really crucial, but it is just another thing that I mentioned that's it. Now, I dont know who this Mihail is, but quick search shows me he is a plastic surgeon, lol, doesnt sound good at all if you know something about hair transplant industry.
* "hair transplant with any doctor is a gamble" - yes genius, in the pure sense, everything in life has some risk chances, the question is what are the chances for failure. With top well known doctors, the chances are low. With unknown doctor the chances are high. It's called statistics. You know it?
* You keep talking about results and how results is everything - Sure, but what results does he have??? This is the question genius, you dont know just by looking at pictures he publishes, there can be hundreds of ways to manipulate the results or exposing only 'half truth'. Let me tell you there are plenty of turkish hairmills who publish superb results in their instagram, and people just see this, get all excited, and go there just to get butchered. And it's not "only results", what about post-op follow up? what if someone needs a touch up? what if you get poor results? does he care for you or just dismiss you after you paid? Reputable doctors often offer free touch up. Moreover, even if all the results he shows are 100% legit, those are just 40-50? what about the other cases? what if large portion of his other cases are really poor results or even straight up butcher procedures? would you take a risk of 60% SUPER AMAZING results and 40% sh*tty results? those not the odds you should take for your hair.

Now, since Im sure you didnt really understand alot from what Im saying because you probably conclude stupid conclusions in your head, I will put it in simple words: Im not saying he is a fraud, I actually feel he is legit, yes, and his results look amazing, and there is actually nothing really shady about him, he sounds honest to me. BUT, I cant be sure, and I have no way to research his work in a reliable way, which means - go through various forums, read opinions, review his patient cases, and do some statistics comparing his number of good/average/bad results and have an informed decision. I CANT DO IT. SO IT IS A RISK. A risk bigger than the one you get with the current top, reputable, well-known surgeons. If I had to put some money on his stock, sure I would do it, but not my damn hair.
As someone that going to get a transplant soon, I have more reliable options, I let you guys try him, and I hope you get superb results so I will know to schedule with him for my next one if I need.
You consistently talk out of both sides of your mouth, finding every possible way to be skeptical of him and then being like "OH BUT I ACTUALLY FEEL HE IS LEGIT!" You act like you have some kind of intel thinking everyone else can't accept your "facts" and that YoU'rE sO wOkE aNd ThE rEsT oF uS aRe MeRe ShEePLe BeLiEvInG iN eVeRyThInG We'Re ToLd. You're right man.. in fact his business is probably just a front for QAnon and in his free time he worships Satan and runs the global child sex trafficking ring.
 

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Ok sorry, I dont know why I even took the time to respond, apparantly you just a retard.
Im sometimes surprised by how many autistic retards there are in this forum. The good thing is, they usually can be easily detected by this mixed upper-lower case autistic writing thing. Next time before I make an effort to make a detailed logical explanation, I will quickly pass over the user's profile to look for those.
Thanks moron.
 

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Ok sorry, I dont know why I even took the time to respond, apparantly you just a retard.
Im sometimes surprised by how many autistic retards there are in this forum. The good thing is, they usually can be easily detected by this mixed upper-lower case autistic writing thing. Next time before I make an effort to make a detailed logical explanation, I will quickly pass over the user's profile to look for those.
Thanks moron.
Anytime dipsh*t <3
 

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@karatekid I understand your points, but think about the number of transplants performed yearly, and the number of people who actually take the time to document their experience on forums.

That number is absolutely miniscule. Further, I can think of several elite surgeons that simply have very little presence via forums, and with a little bit of research you will likely arrive at the same names that I'm thinking of.

Everyone here would want more actual patient accounts, no one is disputing that.

Further, many doctors have their own tools and aren't keen to disclose the details about them. I just paid $200 for a consultation with a reputable doctor in the US, and I could not pry the details out of him about the tool he uses, except that it is some custom motorized 0.8mm punch.

The point the people in this thread are making is that, there is sufficient evidence via photos, the praise from other surgeons, upcoming videos, upcoming in-person consultations, where the absence of forum posts is simply not enough to sour everyone's expectations.

Anyone going for a consultation, can of course choose not to proceed with surgery, or maybe after the consultation you will even be turned down. Any possibility can happen.

I take forum posts with a grain of salt as well, many are not showing the full picture, meaning different lighting, hair styles, using concealers, etc.
 

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@karatekid I understand your points, but think about the number of transplants performed yearly, and the number of people who actually take the time to document their experience on forums.

That number is absolutely miniscule. Further, I can think of several elite surgeons that simply have very little presence via forums, and with a little bit of research you will likely arrive at the same names that I'm thinking of.

Everyone here would want more actual patient accounts, no one is disputing that.

Further, many doctors have their own tools and aren't keen to disclose the details about them. I just paid $200 for a consultation with a reputable doctor in the US, and I could not pry the details out of him about the tool he uses, except that it is some custom motorized 0.8mm punch.

The point the people in this thread are making is that, there is sufficient evidence via photos, the praise from other surgeons, upcoming videos, upcoming in-person consultations, where the absence of forum posts is simply not enough to sour everyone's expectations.

Anyone going for a consultation, can of course choose not to proceed with surgery, or maybe after the consultation you will even be turned down. Any possibility can happen.

I take forum posts with a grain of salt as well, many are not showing the full picture, meaning different lighting, hair styles, using concealers, etc.
Sure, that's fair.
It comes down to everyone's subjective judgement. Everybody takes the data and consider his own risk/reward. For me, putting aside all the details that we discussed, bottom line my basic sense says simple thing - This isnt a good idea to choose a doctor that just popped up from somewhere, is unknown in the hairloss online communities, and which I know very little of, while there is a dozen of top class, well known, reputable surgeons with proven resume, around the world, that I can choose from. That's it.
Everybody is welcome to have a different opinion. As long as you are reasonable and cautious to check it thoroughly, I think it's fine. If you go to consultation, maybe ask him if you can talk to one of his clients, and see the results even in a video call.

The reason I might sound a bit harsh in the previous comments, is because people got into the hype too much and call it 'a cure', like cmon, maybe lets stay with the feet on the ground? I saw it happen too many times in threads here in the research section - some new treatment appear from nowhere, with big promises and nice pictures of before and after, everybody gets excited and get their hopes up, and slowly as they dig into it they just get disappointed, and the thread slowly diminish and die.
 

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@karatekid I understand your points, but think about the number of transplants performed yearly, and the number of people who actually take the time to document their experience on forums.

That number is absolutely miniscule. Further, I can think of several elite surgeons that simply have very little presence via forums, and with a little bit of research you will likely arrive at the same names that I'm thinking of.

Everyone here would want more actual patient accounts, no one is disputing that.

Further, many doctors have their own tools and aren't keen to disclose the details about them. I just paid $200 for a consultation with a reputable doctor in the US, and I could not pry the details out of him about the tool he uses, except that it is some custom motorized 0.8mm punch.

The point the people in this thread are making is that, there is sufficient evidence via photos, the praise from other surgeons, upcoming videos, upcoming in-person consultations, where the absence of forum posts is simply not enough to sour everyone's expectations.

Anyone going for a consultation, can of course choose not to proceed with surgery, or maybe after the consultation you will even be turned down. Any possibility can happen.

I take forum posts with a grain of salt as well, many are not showing the full picture, meaning different lighting, hair styles, using concealers, etc.
^^this. All of this. Top surgeons not having many online reviews is not uncommon at all. Some people get so fixated on forum reviews (or lack thereof) that they miss the forest for the trees. I even asked Zarev point blank about his lack of online reviews in my initial emails with him:

“For this reason, during the conference in Manchester, I took one of my patients with me to verify the reliability of my results. There, each of the doctors had the opportunity to examine in detail and personally the result of my patient. I have been performing hair transplants for more than 11 years, and the so-called AVA FUE, allowing such volumes, for more than 7 years. More than 90% of my patients are Bulgarian citizens, as I have never advertised my practice, even in my country. The only way my patients understand about me is from patient to patient and from my results on my site. As you know, the cost of the operation is € 4 per graft. The average monthly salary in my country is € 1,000. This naturally selects my patients, most of whom are people with very high social status or local celebrities. Most of these people do not have the time and culture to be active and write about their experience on the Internet. For a long time I did not show my results in public. I started showing them after meeting Dr. Cole, as he introduced me to FUE last night and due to the interest I had to demonstrate my results. However, I will try to ask one of my patients to share his experience.”

Makes total sense. For those who haven’t seen, below is the video at the Manchester conference where Zarev presented multiple cases and brought one of his patients with him who then gave a LIVE review and had other doctors there examine his hair. I’ll take this over a forum review any day....

 

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Yeah once someone gets a transplant from him and posts a review that would be great. Not being able to find any patient reviews is definitely a red flag. That being said his credentials are top notch. Dr. Cole is vouching for him and he is an Iahrs member.
So someone from the HRN forum just found a review from 2014 of a Zarev patient:Link (it's down the page).

The result is not bad, but it's nothing like the ones we saw in his website :/
 
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So someone from the HRN forum just found a review from 2014 of a Zarev patient:Link (it's down the page).

The result is not bad, but it's nothing like the ones we saw in his website :/
That’s pretty interesting. Although the “result” you’re referring to is only at 4 months after surgery so it would be nice to actually see the final result. Also this was done back in 2014 and from the post “The doctor used a neograft/punchhairmatic machine without the graft suction feature, so the grafts are collected manually after the punch”. Doesn’t sound like the AVA method to me. It would be nice to get a more recent review with his new method.
 

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That’s pretty interesting. Although the “result” you’re referring to is only at 4 months after surgery so it would be nice to actually see the final result. Also this was done back in 2014 and from the post “The doctor used a neograft/punchhairmatic machine without the graft suction feature, so the grafts are collected manually after the punch”. Doesn’t sound like the AVA method to me. It would be nice to get a more recent review with his new method.
Good catch.
 

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Lorenzo is also a an incredible choice.

I had close to 9500 grafts performed by Lorenzo, and my hair looks amazing. Donor at guard 1.0 to 2 looks great, with some areas of less density (extraction areas), but undistinguishable to the normal person who has no idea about hair transplants. Sort of just looks like a slightly bad haircut. But I havent had anyone comment about it. I've even gone out with a minus 0 guard, but at that guard its very obvious and I did not like it (Heavy scarring in one area) . Minus because I used the trimmer, which is comparable to using a razor blade , and shaves lower than a 0 guard.

At guard 2.5 and above, its perfection.

And according to Lorenzo I still have 3000 grafts in the tank, and that is not including beard. So that would also put me in line with Zarevs clients (12k+ grafts).

However, this thread is very interesting and I will definitely be studying and reading about Zarev techniques and results.
Wow, 9.500K grafts. Please post the pics man and let us envy your results!
 

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Well he responded to me and I scheduled the consultation after all! These delays were frustrating but Dr.Fereirra for instance still hasn't responded and I emailed him over 2 weeks ago, so maybe these transplant doctors are just that busy after all. Covid permitting I'll be traveling to Bulgaria later next year.

Certainly I hope to get a few more opinions in the meantime but, if everything goes as planned, he still remains my first choice.
When is your appointment? Please let us now!
 

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€4 per graft? Eh it’s Bulgaria.. think I’d go with Pekinar or Keser if I was paying that.
 
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