Does DHT really "CAUSE" male pattern baldness

[freakout]

... Unfortunately, for unknown reasons, Roussel had not pursued marketing and approval for RU58841. ... nevertheless its primary pharmacological target needs to be further investigated. ...

Did you know that the double blind study to test finasteride had a 60% positive effect on in placebo control group in the first two years?

If that's the case I'd take placebos anytime. haha.

I'll bet my balls, whoever is making RU58841 now is riding on its popularity rather than efficacy. Be careful my friend.

 

[freakout]

It simply means that one of hormones' primary function is at the physiological level...
... Biochemically analysing the condition will produce paradoxes unless the it is viewed from a physiological level.

I "guessed" at caffeine being a factor in your regimen

Coffee drinkers who consume 4 to 6 cups a day are less likely to bald.

The paradox is, in vitro experiments failed to show significant positive effects of caffeine on hair follicles because it would have required anyone to drink 65 cups a day.

I have mine. What's your take?

 

[sandyc]

I thought coffee accelerated MBP?

 

[freakout]

Who said so? If you thought it was me, read my pm to you again. :band:

more here about it here

 

[freakout]

Well not every one responds to coffee in the same way that's why it says "more likely". If your physiology does not respond in a hypertentioning manner, it won't help you.

Didnt' occur to you why Roussel Company did not pursue marketing and approval despite the hundreds of millions in potential revenue??????

You're playing a game of roulette, kiddo.

Like I said, gook luck with that treatment - Topical RU58841.

 

[freakout]

I see. Well I hope it works for you the way it says it should. For me, the buck stops right on the mice experiment.

I'm on a four month testing phase of my regimen. I'm actually duplicating the experiment in the book. It's difficult but difinitely no side effects and, in time, I might get used to it. It also helps prevent CVDs - that alone encourages me.

The price? $30 for life. haha.

I was hoping you'd take back what you said about the book being pseudo science. It now appears that it had all the science it needed to stake a claim.

 

[freakout]

Im also hoping you wouldnt post with bold letters. You are in fact shouting. That does not speak highly of you.

I said stake a claim based on the mice experiment.

The other would be the fact that you called it pseudo without even reading the sample pages.

Now you're caught up with a question mark neither you nor Bryan can answer.

You called my regimen 'blind faith". I AM PLAYING IT SAFE KIDDO.

You're risking you future. Go ahead

 

[freakout]

I thought we were done with that immune response thing. Hair follicles are immune-privileged.

I'm calling this quits.

I promise not to post the results of my experiment because you'll call it spamming if its positive and you'll laugh if fails.

Good luck with your new topical my friend.

 

[Aedan]

Im genuinely interested freakout....


how do we prevent male pattern baldness using your method? Care to share on a hairloss forum please?

 

[Hoppi]

Ah I see I'm far from the only controversial one then! lol

I think I understand the idea - that DHT triggers an immune response yeah? Thing is though... DHT evidently also ENCOURAGES body hair growth... so it doesn't always do damage. This is why I tend to see hormonal imbalance as the enemy, as it's about getting your androgens back in line I think for a lot of people. However if one were to flat out stop the response of scalp follicles to DHT then ofc that would work, but... it's beyond me how to stop a response that is genetically encoded.

I even know a large group who believe it's all caused by bacteria, and therefore Rife machines are the cure to male pattern baldness (I believe one reputable figure claims permanent success).

I do hope people get closer soon though, as male pattern baldness is truly a b**ch!

 

[Bryan]

I think I understand the idea - that DHT triggers an immune response yeah?

A lot of people seem to believe that idea, and spout it from hairloss sites repeatedly. The trouble with it is that I have never seen any mention of that possibility in any medical journal article or study (well, with maybe one slight exception, but that's not saying very much).

 

[freakout]

...Mercado states the countermeasure have not been proven...no trials have been done. Interestingly though he claims the countermeasures may very well help the effects of rogain.

No large scale. There's a small scale study but independent.

He states very plainly that this is more for prevention than for recovery.

Actually there is. I think he's careful to claim regrowth because not everyone can.

... with early stages of hair loss may regain hair shaft diameter of the affected areas but the application of The Countermeasures must be very vigorous. Those who are older or those whose onset have been progressing for years, prevention of further progression of hair loss and cardiovascular conditions will be the benefits ...

To me this has alot to do with "primal living". Hey, I have just recently switched to a primal diet

Everything Mercado has on diet is already on the website. There's nothing else about diet or primal living. You can even eat anything like the average Joe.
I think his work as an epidemiologist helped him compare primal living with modern life and allowed him to pick out the ones that can influence baldness so you don't have to live in the jungle.

Some stuff about blood flow and pressure. I thought it was interesting and may be worth a read but nothing earth shattering.

Haha. You'll be surprised to know that it's just under your nose all this time Here's one: You'll need a timer to engage his countermeasures.

I am "just guessing at this but,.....is taking a nap part of this regimen? Yes or no?

There maybe something similar in the countermeasures (23 pages actually), you'll know that taking naps should help. But what if you're working? That's when you need the countermeasures.

 

[Aedan]

Please can you give me a summary of this book you treat your hair by???

 

[UunoTurhapuro]

Is it the same ol' bullsh*t of "abstain from sex" "don't wash your hair often" bla bla, these authors just scam people!

 

[Bryan]

From Dr. Proctor's site:

Emerging Model for Pattern Balding (after Kligman, others )
Balding begins when male sex hormones do "something " to the scalp hair follicle which causes it to be read as a "foreign body". Your immune system then mounts an attack on the hair folllicle. The main damage in pattern hair loss is probably immunologically-mediated. Damage to lining of blood vessels, which produces hair growth factors, makes the balding process worse.

Is this the one you are reffering?

No. I've never seen Kligman make such a claim as that! I was referring to the study done with immunodeficient mice which regrew transplanted hair pretty well. It's the one that's been discussed a lot lately.

 

[freakout]

Please can you give me a summary of this book you treat your hair by???

There is nothing to do with your hair. Male hormones affect the muscles of your entire body. Use it so it doesn't give you problems. If you don't use it properly it will still give you problems. It you don't use it, you need countermeasures to null its effects.

 

[UunoTurhapuro]

freakout are you making assumptions or do you have anything to back-up your claim?

 

[freakout]

Me and the author are scammers, right? Why are you asking that question when you already made up your mind?

 

[UunoTurhapuro]

As long as you don't provide direct link/accessible copies of any research paper or book to back-up your argument then unfortunately people will assume you're just another scammer!!!

Spit out what is in the so called book so people can argue against it or for, like in a typical discussion. :dunno:

 

[freakout]

Sorry buddyboy. Have you no respect for copyright ? The publishing industry is losing revenue and quality content because of people like you.

Call me whatever pleases you. I'm looking for someone who has copy. So buzz off if you don't have one.