Does DHT really "CAUSE" male pattern baldness

[freakout]

How many times have we heard that DHT CAUSES hair follicles to miniaturize and die?

Really, is it FACT or THEORY? Is it really THE CAUSE or is it merely a FACTOR in a more complex mechanism?

When someone is shot and killed, what killed him, the bullet or the serial killer?

Is DHT the bullet or the serial killer?

How many times have you read posts like "It does not run in my family" ?

I merely asking this to see if anyone agrees with the author of my regimen.

 

[armandein]

Also manuals say that DHT make growth to hair, in body and sexual hair,..., the question could be, are so different to androgens scalp and body hair regarding DHT?
IMHO DHT is one of the actors in the film, ....

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

The main cause is that the androgen receptors on the scalp follicles fall out as DHT attaches itself to them.

That's it.

The only variance is that some people have, depending on genetics, different hair loss patterns and timing for their loss. At some point the genes "trigger" and tell your follicle's androgen receptors it's time to start falling out when too much DHT hits them (in some fashion). It might be diffuse loss, maybe just temples, maybe just vertex, it all depends on your genes.

 

[Bryan]

The main cause is that the androgen receptors on the scalp follicles fall out as DHT attaches itself to them.

That's it.

Androgen receptors actually "fall out" of hair follicle cells?

The only variance is that some people have, depending on genetics, different hair loss patterns and timing for their loss. At some point the genes "trigger" and tell your follicle's androgen receptors it's time to start falling out when too much DHT hits them (in some fashion). It might be diffuse loss, maybe just temples, maybe just vertex, it all depends on your genes.

How do you explain that _some_ hair follicles are actually STIMULATED to grow when DHT and other androgens attach to them?? :laugh:

 

[Bryan]

How many times have we heard that DHT CAUSES hair follicles to miniaturize and die?

Really, is it FACT or THEORY? Is it really THE CAUSE or is it merely a FACTOR in a more complex mechanism?

That's a little like asking: does HGH (human growth hormone) really cause a child to grow, or is it merely a FACTOR in a more complex mechanism?

Yes, androgens cause scalp hair follicles to miniaturize and die, but it's certainly part of a complex biochemical process. They cause the dermal papillae in those hair follicle cells to release various growth inhibitors which adversely affect the rest of the follicle. How many times does all this have to be explained to you, "freakout"? :shock:

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

The main cause is that the androgen receptors on the scalp follicles fall out as DHT attaches itself to them.

That's it.

Androgen receptors actually "fall out" of hair follicle cells?

Sorry, I mean the hair starts to fall out as the DHT attaches/attacks the follicles. Don't know how I typed that original statement out LOL

The only variance is that some people have, depending on genetics, different hair loss patterns and timing for their loss. At some point the genes "trigger" and tell your follicle's androgen receptors it's time to start falling out when too much DHT hits them (in some fashion). It might be diffuse loss, maybe just temples, maybe just vertex, it all depends on your genes.

How do you explain that _some_ hair follicles are actually STIMULATED to grow when DHT and other androgens attach to them?? :laugh:

lol

 

[freakout]

I sorry finfighter , for you to say this book is all pseudoscience before you even read it, says a lot about you already.

You already destroyed your credibility by claiming the Jahoda experiment was pseudoscience. That one study had him included in the list of nominees for the Nobel Prize.

I say, READ UP and DO RESEARCH before you enter a debate, man. This thread is out of your realm.

And I read some of your posts. People look up to you as a pundit. PLEASE NEVER prescribe drugs to anyone. You are not a medical practitioner.

 

[freakout]

Thank you for further destroying your credibility, I guess this is your last time to visit this thread, Mister Finasteride

 

[freakout]

Thank you for the link Mister finasteride (nasteride)

Since you brought up the topic of psuedoscience, tell me if androgenetics is not pseudoscience since it is the result of published scientific studies from MAINSTREAM MEDICAL researchers.

How do I trust these so-called "experts" when, for decades, they have been wrong about the benefits 'hormone replacement" theraphy, Vitamin A, E, C supplements and antioxidants?

These lasted for decades before these were found to be false???

Am I suppose to believe those 'experts' when they left women with nothing but increased risked to cancers with hormone replacement "theraphy" ???????

Am I suppose to trust them when their work is funded by venture capitalists?

How do I know if Merck will leave me with a dynfunctional penis or if it doesn't, how am I to know if I might bare transvestite kids?

 

[freakout]

How do you know it's zero science when you did not even read the references?

You went off track when you mentioned pseudoscience. Explain to me what pseudo is and what's not if maintream science cannot even get things right?

 

[freakout]

I can see you now do research before debating.

Now tell me how is it that proper scientific methodology got it wrong and put the lives of billions of people at risk of developing cancers?

Was it because they had profits or financial interests above public safety??

 

[freakout]

Ok then. We'll stop right here.

I'm just saying that the book's references comes from mainstream medical researchers. You'll know if you just checked the references.

I don't think the author is a pseudoscientists. He even said the androgens indisputably play a role in male pattern baldness. You'll know if you read the excerpts.

 

[freakout]

Ok. I like scientific research. I would have been one if not for the wrong decisions I made.

In research, there are many factors. Factors can be classified as contants, variables, causations, associations, etc etc.

In many instances, results of scientific studies, due to complexities, may produce desired results by manipulating certain factors involved in the study.

For example:
What are the factors involved in a drowning incident?

1. victim's psyche
2. victim's physic
3. water
4. river
5. an unknown person loitering in the area

Who or what was responsible for the drowning? Or what caused the drowning?

 

[freakout]

I was waiting for an answer

Anyway, a dumb investigator might blame the water because it entered the victims lungs and killed him.

another dumb invetigator might say the river. So if we put a dam, the water will subside and no one will drown.

 

[freakout]

Huh??

You're going to laugh if I tell you without the benefit of being able to explain in a very long post.

It's absurd so I was really laughing while I was reading the book.

 

[freakout]

Actually I'm not arguing. I'm fishing for someone who will argue outside the Androgenetic Alopecia theory. Maybe perhaps someone who has a copy of the book.

I think the author's claims are very plausible albeit funny. But I will not argue using his book. It's copyrighted material.

 

[freakout]

Ok. I respect your opinion.

Anyway, I'm in on the 'countermeasures' as he calls it. I should get some results in say two or four months??

 

[freakout]

I think you missed an important part. Almost everything I posted are from the book. so that should give you more.

 

[freakout]

Thanks! I don't really mind whatever it is. What's the price of a book? What if it works? Right? No?

Good luck with your finasteride treatment, I hope there are no long term side effects.

 

[freakout]

the book did say the countermeasures will make rogaine effective if its not.