Combating loss of libido with dutasteride

[Wildflower]

Has anyone successfully dealt with libido loss of using dutasteride? I mean keep taking the dutasteride but also use other stuff to keep the libido working.

Not educated enough on hormones, but the dutasteride has killed my sex drive. I can jsut about get erections through constant manual stimulation, but it goes quickly. Very difficult in trying to f*** my girlfriend. I'm 27 and i fight MMA so in good physical condition.

However, i still get morning erection (tho nowhere near as hard as before) so somethign is working, but that's prolly cos its high tsetosterone at that time of day. No spontaneous erections during the day tho. None.

Anyway, i been experimenting with stuff with mixed results.

1) v**** - didn't do anythign. ZERO.
2) Zinc/L-Arginine, Gingko etc.. This stuff used to work wonders before, but now nothing. Think something more fundamental at work here.
3) Tongkat/Tribulus test boosters - nothing.
3) Anti-estrogen - started Clomid a week ago, 150mg a day. So far no effect whatsoever
4) Anti-Prolactin, Cabaergoline - started using this twice a week. Nothing amazing yet. I took some last week, felt horny for the first time in aaaages (god, i'd forgotten what that felt like!). The night after i also "almost" had my first wet dream since 15. Thought this was DRAMATIC. Woke up in 6am with a raging hardon. Very happy . However, as experiment, i took 1mg dutasteride to see if i can keep both, and now libido back to zero. Took some cabargoline last night, as yet - nada.

Has anyone got any of this to work?

I think prolactin, estrogen, tesosterone etc. only do so much for libido. But ultimately, man NEEDS DHT.

I was thinking of adminsitring Andractim (DHT) gel to my dick - but how dramatically will this accentuate my hairloss? Could i use this alongisde the dutasteride.

I have stopped the dutasteride now - but there is no combination that you can use to promote libido AND use dutasteride?

 

[Wildflower]

Also someone told me Arimidex would be better as an anti-estrogen than Clomid because it is an aromatese inhibitor whilst Clomid isn't. Wud that be better for clearing the estrogen to jump the libido?

 

[antonio666]

how long have you been taking an anti estrogen,it has been proven that you need some estrogen to maintain good sexual function,so an anti estrogen will increase your problems

 

[Anthony83]

take less dutasteride. try 1/2 the amount you are taking now or try every other day.

 

[beaner]

FYI--neither v**** or Cialis will restore your sex drive--these are not libido boosters. They merely aid in achieving an erection if you're having problems in that department. You still have to be "in the mood" for these to work.

 

[Wildflower]

FYI--neither v**** or Cialis will restore your sex drive--these are not libido boosters. They merely aid in achieving an erection if you're having problems in that department. You still have to be "in the mood" for these to work.

Yes. All v****/cialis do is allow blood to go to your dick

 

[Wildflower]

4) Anti-Prolactin, Cabaergoline - started using this twice a week. Nothing amazing yet. I took some last week, felt horny for the first time in aaaages (god, i'd forgotten what that felt like!). The night after i also "almost" had my first wet dream since 15. Thought this was DRAMATIC. Woke up in 6am with a raging hardon. Very happy . However, as experiment, i took 1mg dutasteride to see if i can keep both, and now libido back to zero. Took some cabargoline last night, as yet - nada.

Afterthought. What the hell is that. Sounds interesting. If it works that well when you havent taken a dutasteride can't you just be a sexual demon every other day and take 3 to 4 dutas a week. Please give feedback this dichotomy is killing me. Also you said you took 1mg. as in 2 capsules as a test? Surely thats overkill, try alternating, and please please let me know how it goes for you.

Cheers

Sorry, i meant 0.5mg, one cap. But on once a week my sex drive still seems shot.

Even low dose dutasteride (well, i reduced to 2 times a week about a month ago) it still fucks my sex drive. Only off it for more than a week do i get "something" back - although, this could mean i need to wait 6 months to completely clear out the dutasteride, and then go to 1 EOD or something like that.

If its hormones causing libido problems, suring repleshining those hormones shoudl fix the probelm? i.e taken an anti-estrogen if estrogen is the problem, take an anti-prolactin if prolactin is the problem, take a testosterone booster if test is the problem... etc...

 

[Mew]

Wildflower, you are correct in that men need DHT for a reason, as you are now finding out.

You need bloodwork to see what is going on inside your body. Everything else is guesswork.

dutasteride is inhibiting both 5AR enzymes (Type I and II) and thus 99% of serum DHT, and has a far longer half-life (5 weeks) than Finasteride (6-8 hrs), so don't expect to see any major changes in sexual function should you discontinue right away.

My opinion is you are playing with fire by taking all these various drugs to "counteract" dutasteride's effects. It is obvious the drug is causing you issues and your body does not agree with being messed around hormonally... ultimately you'll need to make a decision about wether to continue or not, and investigate alternatives if so.

 

[el_duterino]

just use v**** or cialis (cheap generics). i used those for a year when i had low libido on dutasteride.
we know that the ED drugs will not solve the libido issue, such as " creating desire" but they solve the erection issues. bascially, you need a lot less libido to achieve the same level of erection.
the ED drugs will also make you a lot more confident that you can satisfy your woman thus decreasing your anxiety levels..thus getting better sex in the end and we know that ED is a viscious cercle. anxiety fuels ED too.

and v****/clialis will have no detrimental effects on hair or absorbtion of dutasteride.

after a while..i stopped using those ED drugs, out of curiosity to "see" if i can still have erections..and i could ! requires a bit more effort to concentrate on "sexy" thoughts but it works. i can have sex 3 to 4 times a day with my GF on the week-ends without problems.

at present I reduced dutasteride to EOD and don't use ED drugs anymore but still keep those ready just in case..as a safety.

 

[Wildflower]

Ok, so it's been a week and half since i been off the dutasteride. It's hard to gauge the change in libido - i mean it was hard for me to figure out that my libido had bombed to begin with, until after several aborted attempts at sex.

So, yeah, two weeks in i do seem to have got some of my libido back - but nothign to write home about.

I've been taking nolvadex (tamoxifen) and cabergoline over that time - not seems to made that much difference to the sex drive. Even though i've been told amazing things about cabergoline (making men multi-orgasmic etc). So i reckon the dutasteride has fucked with smoethign more fundamental than just "excess prolactin".

Anyway, will wait 5 weeks, as Mew suggests, get a better idea of where I stand. I know i need to get blood work done, will get round to it. I'm gonna wait for 6 months before going on the dutasteride again, to flush it out my system, and then use it every 5 days or something low like that, see how i go (and maintain libido).

As for ED drugs. Yeah, sh*t, that's magic. Took a Cialis pill last night and fucked my girl senseless. ROCK HARD the whole way through. God, that was a relief.

But, well, i have to say, despite teh Cialis, the orgasm wasn't as intense as it once was, nor the sensations on my c***. It was a bit like f*****g with a numb wooden stick . But atleast i'm up and f*****g right??? right???? :-(

 

[el_duterino]

You also need to start thinking about adding a topical anti-androgen to your regimen.
There is just no way that hairloss can be beaten long term by just swallowing a pill. Not to mention the systemic side effects.

When I added topical anti-androgens to my regimen, I was able to gain my libido back to "workable" levels..reducing dutasteride to EOD etc..without having to compromise on hair quality.

Take a look at my regimen written at the bottom for reference.
Good luck

 

[CCS]

My guess is you don't know which of those 3 androgen receptor blockers works so you are using all three to back each other up. And in combo with dustasteride. This guy is not messing around. No stimulants, just maintainance. You should add Nizoral for your shampoo. It helps with the immune aspect, and easy to add. Even has a bit of stimulant to it too.

 

[el_duterino]

I tested different combinations in 2008:
1) fluridil+ dutasteride combo = halted shedding/loss but hair diameter was a bit thin.
2) flutamide+ dutasteride= halted shedding/loss, good thickness but heavy side effects.
3) RU58841+dutasteride= halted loss, good thickness and little side effects.
4) RU58841+dutasteride+Fluridil = halted loss & better thickeness than 3) with no extra side effects.
5) RU58841+dutasteride+Fluridil+flutamide twice a week= a bit cheaper than 4) without more side effects.

 

[Petchsky]

El dutasteride, do you have any idea which anti androgen is most effective? spironolactone, fluridil, or proxiphen....these are the three i'm considering

 

[el_duterino]

I never used spironolactone myself, and I don't know what proxiphen is.
I can only comment on the drugs i used. Can you elaborate ab out proxiphen ?

 

[amsch]

I never used spironolactone myself, and I don't know what proxiphen is.
I can only comment on the drugs i used. Can you elaborate ab out proxiphen ?

http://www.drproctor.com/hair-regrowth-products.htm

 

[el_duterino]

i see thanks. so this proxiphen is not an anti-androgen but has spirolactone as the sole anti-androgen in it..plus some interesting growth promoters in it.

 

[Petchsky]

Proxiphen has a number of things in it, not all the ingredients are listed, but it has minoxidil, spironolactone, SOD, NO, spin traps ...

 

[amsch]

Proxiphen has a number of things in it, not all the ingredients are listed, but it has minoxidil, spironolactone, SOD, NO, spin traps ...

btw, i think it's reticolous of Dr. Proctor about keeping those ingridients/dosages secret. Man, he could put topical estrogenes or something dangerous in it, and no one would know.

 

[Petchsky]

I'm sure he has his reasons, but it is pretty annoying