Arnold Schwarzenegger's hairline and dht question.

[phish]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nowiknowfo ... 740323160/ heres a pic of arnold currently. and then arnold in his prime when he had 1000 times the test levels and dht in his body. http://www.musclememory.com/images/rece ... Zeller.jpg

why only now is his hairline going back far when his dht is at its lowest compared to 30 years ago. if dht was the lone cause here wouldn't his hairline of shot back in like 2 years during his 20s and 30s from heavy steroid use? Its obvious he has more then just a receeding hairline in that new pic so it confuses me why if those follicles were susceptible to dht this whole time y only start to move back a ton now and not when his dht levels were 100 times as high back in the 60s? perhaps something in age changes our hair folicles in some of us to become susceptibel to dht damage, because he should of lost all that hair in the front during his 20s due to his massive steroid intake.

 

[phish]

yea thats my question, I know its do to age but what triggers it. theirs got to be a response that triggers hair to thin with age we know why hair turns gray but what makes hair get thinner with age, if follicles once protected by dht sundly age to much and dht takes its toll and starts to thin the hair.

 

[s.a.f]

:agree: Exactly that degree of thinning is not m.p.b (ie he's not going bald) its just general physical degeneration.

 

[Thinning Sucks]

I heard he had some work done in the frontal.

 

[abcdefg]

Look its been said countless times that some hairloss just occurs with age. There is no way thats true at all. I have seen at least 1 person that is 50 that has every hair on there head they were born with. That 1 person totally disproves that. There is something we dont understand that makes some people lose hair. Genes, pathways, something that we certainly dont understand at all. There are also plenty of women that keep all there hair into old age.
It is interesting that with his dht levels he had that much hair, but lets keep in mind his hair might not have been very susceptible to dht at that time, but over 20 years his hair might have become more susceptible to dht. Its certainly possible dht was still the culprit, but lets be 100 percent clear we all know men dont lose hair solely to dht. Testosteron, dht, and who knows how many other testosterone related hormones might all play a role. Its a very complicated disease science hasnt had much success on any polygenic trait because science frankly sucks at figuring out complex relationships in the body.

 

[RaginDemon]

Look its been said countless times that some hairloss just occurs with age. There is no way thats true at all. I have seen at least 1 person that is 50 that has every hair on there head they were born with. That 1 person totally disproves that. There is something we dont understand that makes some people lose hair. Genes, pathways, something that we certainly dont understand at all. There are also plenty of women that keep all there hair into old age.
It is interesting that with his dht levels he had that much hair, but lets keep in mind his hair might not have been very susceptible to dht at that time, but over 20 years his hair might have become more susceptible to dht. Its certainly possible dht was still the culprit, but lets be 100 percent clear we all know men dont lose hair solely to dht. Testosteron, dht, and who knows how many other testosterone related hormones might all play a role. Its a very complicated disease science hasnt had much success on any polygenic trait because science frankly sucks at figuring out complex relationships in the body.

as he ages, the tolerence of his hair to DHT might have gone down gradully.

 

[ADL]

Maybe it's the lack of testosterone these days.

Signs of testosterone deficiency depend on the age of onset and the duration of hormonal deficiency. Congenital testosterone deficiency is usually characterized by underdeveloped genitalia, and sometimes even undeterminable genitalia. Acquired testosterone deficiency that develops near puberty can result in enlargement of breast tissue (gynecomastia), sparse or absent pubic and body hair, and underdeveloped penis, testes, and muscle. Adults may experience diminished libido, erectile dysfunction, muscle weakness, hair loss, depression, and other common mood disorders

source:http://www.quareos.com/221/Hair-Loss/5909/A_Closer_Look_at_Testosterone_Deficiency_-.html

 

[s.a.f]

Look its been said countless times that some hairloss just occurs with age. There is no way thats true at all. I have seen at least 1 person that is 50 that has every hair on there head they were born with. That 1 person totally disproves that.

Its true for the vast majority of men. Just because a tiny percentage of men for some reason dont lose any hair it does'nt mean that the ageing theory holds no water.

 

[DoctorHouse]

One percent of your hair follicles goes dormant each year by age 20. This is referred to as senile alopecia. We all experience this. Arnold is 60 years old. He has lost about 40 percent of his hair due to senile alopecia which is not considered male pattern baldness. He has full coverage yet its just 40 percent less density. Using hair loss treatments can even help with senile alopecia to some extent and bring some of that density back by growing thicker hair and cosmetically your hair will look less diffuse and thicker. You may see alot of 70 and 80 year old with a full head of hair but their density is not like when they were in their 20's or even 40's. So if you have thick hair to begin with, that is a plus but if you have fine hair that will look thinner as you get older and kind of seem like male pattern baldness but it will look more diffuse but full coverage.

 

[cal]

Age-related thinning is gonna be revealing some strip scars in a few decades if HM doesn't ever pan out.


Is it agreed that age related hair thinning is an androgenic hair loss like male pattern baldness? I'm curious about whether male pattern baldness advancements would also help delay this process too.

 

[abcdefg]

I dont know about that senile alopecia business. I have seen lots of 60 year old women that somehow escaped the grasp of this "Senile alopecia" as you call it. Heck I have seen men that are no less dense at 60 then they were at 20 so thats not true. John kerry is an example. Now maybe its a wig, but I have seen men that are old like 40-50 that havent lost any hair density. So these old women and men are immune to this process that you say effects everyone? I dont see how thats possible it can effect everyone and then not certain select people. How about this we face the fact we dont know. By completely unknown mechanisms some people lose hair and others dont. Something does that though. There exists a way to completely stop all hairloss from occuring for every single person. We certainly arent going to figure that out anytime soon and its different causes for different people.
Look at aging. You cant say its possible to stop aging for everyone because there does not exist 1 person or creature that is not effected by getting older. Some people having all there hair is proof that it is possible to completely stop hairloss.

 

[phish]

yea but just because they have what appears all their hair at 80 doesnt mean they still didnt have more hair at 20. their hair at 20 could of been as thick as say jim morrison or some rockstar. and now in their 80s is that of a 20 year old. if u stretch their life out for another 20 years i doubt they will still have a full head of hair. ive yet to see any pic of sum1 in their 80s with as much hair as a 15 year old girl, never mind someone in their 100s. eventually with age if someone lives long enuff they will lose all their hair. wether its 120 100 80 60 40 20 depends on the person.

 

[beaner]

Ronald Reagan.

 

[phish]

he certainly still had a lot of hair close to his death but no way as much as he did in his 20s. http://www.sitefights.com/community/art ... _older.jpg old

http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/You ... eagan3.bmp young

 

[DoctorHouse]

Even Bill Clinton's hair is starting to show thinning too. My mom saw him in person and she said you could see his scalp through his hair. Let's face it, our hair thins as we get older. It's totally normal. Ronald Reagan's hair was super thick when he was younger, but when he was older it was just thick. Hi hair did get thinner but he had full coverage. Its all relative to how much density and thickness you have in your twenties. If your hair is fine then you will definitely show more scalp as you get older but will still have full coverage if you do not have male pattern baldness.

 

[Sean68]

he certainly still had a lot of hair close to his death but no way as much as he did in his 20s.

ronald reagans not dead is he?

 

[Sean68]

it appears he is. :blush: dont remember that one.

 

[s.a.f]

I dont know about that senile alopecia business. I have seen lots of 60 year old women that somehow escaped the grasp of this "Senile alopecia" as you call it. Heck I have seen men that are no less dense at 60 then they were at 20 so thats not true. John kerry is an example. Now maybe its a wig, but I have seen men that are old like 40-50 that havent lost any hair density. So these old women and men are immune to this process that you say effects everyone? I dont see how thats possible it can effect everyone and then not certain select people. How about this we face the fact we dont know. By completely unknown mechanisms some people lose hair and others dont. Something does that though. There exists a way to completely stop all hairloss from occuring for every single person. We certainly arent going to figure that out anytime soon and its different causes for different people.
Look at aging. You cant say its possible to stop aging for everyone because there does not exist 1 person or creature that is not effected by getting older. Some people having all there hair is proof that it is possible to completely stop hairloss.

My grandmother is in her 80's and not only does she have the thickest hair that you can imagine but she also does'nt have a single grey hair *. So theoreticly you could say that this disproves the whole senile alopecia theory. But I would say that the senile alopecia theory is true but there are just some individuals out there who have freaky hair genes that remain unnaffected by the ageing process. Maybe that explains Ronnie Wood?

*honestly I'm not bullshitting here.

 

[DoctorHouse]

s.a.f., there are always going to be exceptions to "the rule" but the majority will follow "the rule"

 

[s.a.f]

Thats what I'm saying. :agree: