Beethoven
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Hi everyone, long time "silent" reader, now I've decided to join.
It's a bit long read, but the details are important so you could help me understand if I'm having sides from topical spironolactone.
I'm 28 years old, having hairloss at temples and hairline, I started with 1mg finasteride and two applications of minoxidil a day in March 2006. finasteride almost stop all my hairloss (i would say it stopped 80-90% of hairloss), I also think that I'm a low respondent to minoxidil since I didn't see the famous shedding in the start and also didn't see any kind of regrowth of the hair i lost.
Unfortunatly for me the sexual sides were constanly increasing (erections became weaker and weaker with time, lost almost all desire to sex), and since I have a girlfriend who I love i decided to quit finasteride.
Going for topicals, I bought spironolactone 5% from Dr Lee's site, Prox-N from Dr Proctor's site, Vichy Dercos (aminexil sp94) in local store - very expensive - I'll probably switch to DNC soon - I don't yet trust them - waiting for more good results from users here, and Nizoral (I should have used that with the finasteride and min but I thought that finasteride is strong and I don't need it - a mistake!).
I started applying my topicals twice and sometimes even three times a day, first I shampoo my hair with ordinary shampoo (that claims to contain caffeine extract - but they don't detail how much strong it is and it's very cheap 4.5$ for 700ml - so I guess it's not real "treatment" shampoo), and on towel dry scalp I applied the aminexil, waited a few minutes(it dries very fast) then applied the Prox-N, waited about 20 min for it to dry too, then applied the spironolactone. As I wrote, sometimes I did this routine three times a day.
Now for the sides: As I wrote my sides from finasteride were sexual - weak erection, loss of any sexual desire and I generally felt dizzyness and kind of "foggy". About 5 days after I quit finasteride I got back almost all my sexual "appetite", erections were improving very much and I felt more "alive" (the fogginess feeling disappeared) - DHT is back into the system!.
Now here's the problem: two more weeks passed (three weeks after stoping finasteride and starting spironolactone), and I began feeling two things: pain in my chest (just behind my nipples) and sometimes weak pain in my balls. The chest pain were very frightening - I'm I having the start of gyno?
I did a blood test and my progestrone level was high above the highest level for normal men, the problem is that I can't be sure if the results are due to the finasteride that I stopped only three weeks before the test or due to the spironolactone which may have absorbed to the blood.
The blood test didn't have DHT measure - only free and total testosterone which had middle values for normal men.
The reason that I'm suspecting spironolactone is that the chest pain never happend during the finasteride use period.
Of course I read here and on HLH and found no one reporting systemic sides from topical spironolactone - I understand that topcial finasteride/dutasteride/Flutamide are known to be absorbed and influence systemically, but never heard about anyone with topical spironolactone problem. I also read that both Dr Lee and Dr Proctor are very confident that the use of topical spironolactone is safe from systemic sides.
I stopped using spironolactone a week ago and I'm using Fluridil (I read everything about it and I know there are almost no evidence from users here about it's effectivness, it's just that I have almost no choice - Fluridil is supposed to break down in water and have no antiandrogenetic effect in the blood), so far I'm using it only one week so I can't testifiy whether it's good or bad. also the chest pain havn't gone yet (one week after stopping spironolactone and starting using fluridil).
thanks again for reading!
what do you think? any comments? help from the experts? suggestions?
It's a bit long read, but the details are important so you could help me understand if I'm having sides from topical spironolactone.
I'm 28 years old, having hairloss at temples and hairline, I started with 1mg finasteride and two applications of minoxidil a day in March 2006. finasteride almost stop all my hairloss (i would say it stopped 80-90% of hairloss), I also think that I'm a low respondent to minoxidil since I didn't see the famous shedding in the start and also didn't see any kind of regrowth of the hair i lost.
Unfortunatly for me the sexual sides were constanly increasing (erections became weaker and weaker with time, lost almost all desire to sex), and since I have a girlfriend who I love i decided to quit finasteride.
Going for topicals, I bought spironolactone 5% from Dr Lee's site, Prox-N from Dr Proctor's site, Vichy Dercos (aminexil sp94) in local store - very expensive - I'll probably switch to DNC soon - I don't yet trust them - waiting for more good results from users here, and Nizoral (I should have used that with the finasteride and min but I thought that finasteride is strong and I don't need it - a mistake!).
I started applying my topicals twice and sometimes even three times a day, first I shampoo my hair with ordinary shampoo (that claims to contain caffeine extract - but they don't detail how much strong it is and it's very cheap 4.5$ for 700ml - so I guess it's not real "treatment" shampoo), and on towel dry scalp I applied the aminexil, waited a few minutes(it dries very fast) then applied the Prox-N, waited about 20 min for it to dry too, then applied the spironolactone. As I wrote, sometimes I did this routine three times a day.
Now for the sides: As I wrote my sides from finasteride were sexual - weak erection, loss of any sexual desire and I generally felt dizzyness and kind of "foggy". About 5 days after I quit finasteride I got back almost all my sexual "appetite", erections were improving very much and I felt more "alive" (the fogginess feeling disappeared) - DHT is back into the system!.
Now here's the problem: two more weeks passed (three weeks after stoping finasteride and starting spironolactone), and I began feeling two things: pain in my chest (just behind my nipples) and sometimes weak pain in my balls. The chest pain were very frightening - I'm I having the start of gyno?
I did a blood test and my progestrone level was high above the highest level for normal men, the problem is that I can't be sure if the results are due to the finasteride that I stopped only three weeks before the test or due to the spironolactone which may have absorbed to the blood.
The blood test didn't have DHT measure - only free and total testosterone which had middle values for normal men.
The reason that I'm suspecting spironolactone is that the chest pain never happend during the finasteride use period.
Of course I read here and on HLH and found no one reporting systemic sides from topical spironolactone - I understand that topcial finasteride/dutasteride/Flutamide are known to be absorbed and influence systemically, but never heard about anyone with topical spironolactone problem. I also read that both Dr Lee and Dr Proctor are very confident that the use of topical spironolactone is safe from systemic sides.
I stopped using spironolactone a week ago and I'm using Fluridil (I read everything about it and I know there are almost no evidence from users here about it's effectivness, it's just that I have almost no choice - Fluridil is supposed to break down in water and have no antiandrogenetic effect in the blood), so far I'm using it only one week so I can't testifiy whether it's good or bad. also the chest pain havn't gone yet (one week after stopping spironolactone and starting using fluridil).
thanks again for reading!
what do you think? any comments? help from the experts? suggestions?
