Alternative To Doing A Template? (seven Words)

matt0135

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It's fine. I invite flippant responses when I'm posting online. This is the only safe place I can let out my hair piece frustrations.

I've tried looking for someone that will do it for me. The people that know about hairpieces are only willing to do it for a potential customer. People that don't know about hairpieces will no doubt fair little better than myself.


Wait didn't we solve your problem though? Noah confirmed the important part is the inside, which you've mastered, right?

As long as it's a good quality piece it will fit snug . Worst case you can cut a little off if it's too big.

Honestly salon route is the way to go for you, at least in short term. Noah is right, if you're having trouble with the template, then the system itself will be problematic for you.

Reduce your stress, gain confidence, then go diy . Where are u located? There must be someone around that works with systems.
 

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Ha, yes, it was a relief to hear that outer bit doesn't matter as much. I tried again today three times. The back is a big problem, but I think I have a way around that, which I will try tomorrow. Maybe I'm just a slow learner when it comes to tedious tasks. I've been fired from every minimum wage job I ever did in my life, ha.

I don't want to go down the salon route as it's more expensive, and slower, and not needed. I've played around with my other piece previously and I'm sure I can be fine on my own. Obviously if the entire thing was as much of a trial as the template I would quit right now. The template is just a completely idiotic way of measuring up, and the person that came up with it deserves a special place reserved in Hell.
 

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Daily update.

Three more attempts today. Getting further on with the back, maybe might have mastered that in tomorrow's session. Two hours is enough template rubbish for today. Going to spending several hours in the fetal position now.
 

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jc426.....Read all of your comments. Not one in 10,000 new hp users experience the level of issues you claim to have encountered. I made my first template 11 years ago after viewing a short demo. My first template completed in 45 minutes. Worked perfectly for the factory who made the hairpiece. My experience was "typical" not the exception. I can now after 11 years complete a template in under 25 minutes.

Assuming that you actually start wearing, I suspect the issues you will encounter with attaching/detaching and cleanup will likely be insurmountable.
 

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I'm sure you're right, Lace. My problem is my first piece was an awful fit, so now I've become obsessed with needing this template perfect, as a) I don't wish to throw another £300 down the toilet and b) will be 100% out of the hair piece game if the next one isn't right.

I don't genuinely see myself as a long-term wearer. My plan is to use this to get my confidence and life back, and go from there. Perhaps shave or a transplant should I ever be able to justify the outlay. I definitely don't imagine spending the rest of my life wearing.
 

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I'm sure you're right, Lace. My problem is my first piece was an awful fit, so now I've become obsessed with needing this template perfect, as a) I don't wish to throw another £300 down the toilet and b) will be 100% out of the hair piece game if the next one isn't right.

I don't genuinely see myself as a long-term wearer. My plan is to use this to get my confidence and life back, and go from there. Perhaps shave or a transplant should I ever be able to justify the outlay. I definitely don't imagine spending the rest of my life wearing.

OK...got it. Sort of. "Awful fit" does not tell me anything. What was wrong with the fit? Sizing......left to right at the widest point, front to back at the longest point, curvature at the hairline, curvature connecting the widest points (left and right sides) to the points at the back (center) and the front hairline (center)? I doubt there was an issue with the convex (hair side) or concave (bottom) curvature of the hp.

You do not have to pay 300 euro (about $340 US). Top off the line toppers are available for under 200 euro ($227 US). DO NOT let anyone tell you otherwise. Stock pieces even less.
 

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Yep, would be the answer. A poor fit everywhere. Too small. Or Big. I don't know. Crinkles. Funnily enough, there was an issue, hair side. The temple was at the front of the piece. Managed to comb it out, but, yeah.

I got the piece from a reputable place most on here do. When I say £300 I mean include the £30 spent on the cut in, £30 spent on getting my stylist to do my template, travel and wasted products. I know what you're saying. This is why I'm determined to do it myself. I could have paid £600 and had my stylist hold my hand every step of the way, but like you say, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't consider a piece either if it wasn't cost effective.
 

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Okay, Lace. You're the template specialist. Could you tell me how you get the wrap tight over the entirety of one's head? Every instructional thing I've read or watched says to just pull it tight and tie it under the chin, but it is impossible doing it this way to get it tight at the front and back. I manage to get it tight all over, but it often takes several attempts to get that, and by attempts I mean crumpled up wrap thrown in the bin and starting again.

So how, first time, do you easily get it tight all over?
 

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Okay, Lace. You're the template specialist. Could you tell me how you get the wrap tight over the entirety of one's head? Every instructional thing I've read or watched says to just pull it tight and tie it under the chin, but it is impossible doing it this way to get it tight at the front and back. I manage to get it tight all over, but it often takes several attempts to get that, and by attempts I mean crumpled up wrap thrown in the bin and starting again.

So how, first time, do you easily get it tight all over?

I used the same instructions. I use two sections of plastic wrap 12" wide by about 24" long. I lay the first section (ear to ear direction) across the scalp with the front edge set back perhaps a couple inches back from the hairline. The second section I place more forward....about midway from the hairline and the bridge of the nose. Tie off the 4 ends under the chin. DONE! I don't care about any looseness down the back or the front. DOES NOT MATTER! The plastic wrap does not create the shape. The shape is created by the tape. Lay all the strips of tape by pressing down toward the scalp. The layers of tape will create the shape not the plastic wrap.

You are WAY over thinking and obsessing about a template. You posted this same question on another hairpiece forum. The owner of the company (about 20 years experience in the business) replied: "The template doesn’t have to be wrinkle free. We get templates all the time with wrinkles. The factory doesn’t measure each tiny ‘lump’ on the template. Just do your best."

You appear to confuse a hair piece with something made to the same exacting specs as a jet aircraft engine. Lace is a fabric. It stretches, shrinks, warps, contorts, folds, etc like any fabric within a 3 dimensional sphere.. It is not rigid, fixed or immoveable. The template you create is little more than an approximate guide to the manufacturer.

I did a quick search in youtube. Found this link near the top of the search. Probably many more videos on the site It demonstrates how a manufacturer creates a lace base.
. If you have problems with the link search for: "
How to Make a Lace Frontal Base." Does this process look like a highly precise operation...brain surgery? Factories follow the same procedure. I am sure that since a factory has years of experience, and, perhaps has made 1000's of hairpieces, it probably uses some modified variation of the process for the sake of efficiency.

As an aside I no longer even make templates if I order a custom piece. Instead I just email the shape (of the bald area) with the dimensions and tell the manufacture to create a "curvature" over the scalp that conforms to what is used to create stock pieces. Manufactures know that the average head shape of a male varies little from person to person. (Note...I did not say the bald area does not vary, just the curvature of the top of the head) Unless you are a "conehead" or a "flathead" (see attached) the standard curvature will work. (Artists learn in art school that the human head conforms to basic, consistent proportions....https://www.thedrawingsource.com/proportions-of-the-face.html) Credit evolution. Remember what I wrote above..... "It stretches, shrinks, warps, contorts, folds, etc like any fabric within a 3 dimensional sphere." Precision not necessary. I also attached an example of what I have used when I last ordered a custom piece. The drawing I create for the manufacturer is actual size. My instructions state to print out the drawings as is. Do not resize. The dimensions on the drawing are slightly larger than what I need. I will adjust down by cutting the piece with cuticle scissors. Lastly.... I am not a template specialist. Instead I simply use common sense and I keep it simple.
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jc426

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Honestly, you lost me with your instructions in the first paragraph. And you have to draw the hairline before the tape goes on, how in the hell could you draw a hairline with all that tape over it?

I've never read that answer from the other forum, but I did post questions about the template in another forum too. Which one was it, by the way?

You say it stretches, but the piece I have now, the rubbish-fitting one, doesn't matter how much you stretch it, it will still be a rubbish fit. So I'm not sure how the elasticity is a factor, in all honesty.

Thanks for your reply, which is very good, but after all that, I still didn't get a clear answer as to how to get it tight all over as simply as possible. I think the fact you don't even bother with a template anymore says it all about the difficulty of it as well.
 

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How in the hell could you draw a hairline with all that tape over it?
Search for scotch transparent tape or any other brand. Easy to see through the tape....where the scalp ends and the hair begins. Draw or place dots on the tape outlining the bald area. The tape is not opaque.

Which one was it, by the way?
You can't even remember what forum? You posted 5 messages on the forum.. 8/11 (2X), 8/12 (2X), 8/13 (1X). The reply was on 8/17

So I'm not sure how the elasticity is a factor
I am sure to you is not clear to you based on your previous comments.

I think the fact you don't even bother with a template anymore says it all about the difficulty of it as well.
Yup....you must be correct. That is why I wrote last Wednesday at 10:05 AM the following....."My first template completed in 45 minutes. Worked perfectly for the factory who made the hairpiece. My experience was "typical" not the exception. I can now after 11 years complete a template in under 25 minutes." Who can afford 25 minutes? Too much work. Way TOO difficult. Never again!!! Templates are impossible to make.
 

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I use see through tape. It is impossible to to be able to accurately see the outline of my bald area under all that tape, and also to draw on it. Like we've said, ripples everywhere, so not possible to draw the outline over all that.
 

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Finally done. Takes Lace twenty five minutes, took me twenty five attempts. Good Christ.
 
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