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[s.a.f]

I think he is unmatched in his hairline design (although H&W are close, but unfortunately use the archaic strip method). I think Rahal, Cole, Feller, Epstein and many other are also excellent doctors and can do good hairlines, but I think Armani's hairlines are perfect.

As opposed to what? In many cases doing strip on a patient is the only viable option. Unless like Armani you prefer to operate on mostly nw1.6 20 yr olds.

 

[Optimist]

I think he is unmatched in his hairline design (although H&W are close, but unfortunately use the archaic strip method). I think Rahal, Cole, Feller, Epstein and many other are also excellent doctors and can do good hairlines, but I think Armani's hairlines are perfect.

As opposed to what? In many cases doing strip on a patient is the only viable option. Unless like Armani you prefer to operate on mostly nw1.6 20 yr olds.

Obviously as opposed to FUE. I don't know why you would say that strip is in many cases the only viable method. Why would anyone who can get strip, not be able to get FUE? FUE actually has a wider application becasue it can be used on anyone who can get strip and additionally people with the most severe degrees of hairloss on which strip wouldn't be an option.

The only problem with FUE is that for many people it is cost-prohibitive, and I don't really see this ever changing. Strip surgery is quite medieval compared to FUE and has certainly replaced it in terms of everything except cost.

 

[s.a.f]

FUE actually has a wider application becasue it can be used on anyone who can get strip and additionally people with the most severe degrees of hairloss on which strip wouldn't be an option.

This is my point but I think you are mistaken, when a patient has a higher degree of loss strip surgery is the only realistic option. A nw5/6 would need at least 5/6 sessions of FUE. This would take a long time and be very expensive whilst a competent surgeon could sort them out using the strip method with no more than 2 procedures at about half the cost.
I think you'll find that any surgeon would recommend strip over FUE to a patient who is higher up on the Norwood scale. Any that dont would just be thinking of the $$$.

 

[Optimist]

FUE actually has a wider application becasue it can be used on anyone who can get strip and additionally people with the most severe degrees of hairloss on which strip wouldn't be an option.

This is my point but I think you are mistaken, when a patient has a higher degree of loss strip surgery is the only realistic option. A nw5/6 would need at least 5/6 sessions of FUE. This would take a long time and be very expensive whilst a competent surgeon could sort them out using the strip method with no more than 2 procedures at about half the cost.
I think you'll find that any surgeon would recommend strip over FUE to a patient who is higher up on the Norwood scale. Any that dont would just be thinking of the $$$.

Hey s.a.f

I don't think you are aware of the possibilities with FUE. I posted a link below of an Armani patience who had advanced haiross and got 10,000 grats with FUE. The pictures are at the bottom of the page. Keep in mind that according to Shane (Armani consultant) he's only had 50% of the growth he will have. Armani has done large megasessions with up to 4,700 grafts in day, so I think you are incorrect in stating that it would take 5/6 procedures.

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... TARTPAGE=1

I get accused of being a naive Armani pusher because I reference his work a lot, but I think with a little research it is evident that he is on the forefront of hair transplant technology and technique and is doing things that have previously ( and clearly still are) thought to be impossible.

I'm sure that what you said about FUE is true of many doctors, I know a lot can't do more than 500/day etc. etc., but it can't be said to be true of all doctors


Also, I am not sure that FUE is really any more profitable than strip due to the length of time it takes to extract the grafts, but I'm not sure. I suspect if it was more profitable than more doctors would be doing it, instead of complaining about its alleged limitations.

 

[s.a.f]

I've never heard of anyone doing 4,700 FUE in a day not even close, not even1,700.

 

[Optimist]

I've never heard of anyone doing 4,700 FUE in a day not even close, not even1,700.

Well, I'm pleased to inform you Thats what these forums are all about right?

 

[s.a.f]

Anyone else know about this? I cant see how its possible, most of the top surgeons struggle to get much more than 1000 a day.

 

[RaginDemon]

4700 just sounds ridiculous to me no offense.

 

[Optimist]

4700 just sounds ridiculous to me no offense.

Your comment has no merit.

When I say 4,700 I am only reiterating the claims of Armani. So, you can accuse them of lying i guess, but I don't think that claim would be substantiated on the grounds of what sounds rediculous to you.

 

[s.a.f]

No offence, but just think about it. How could armani do FUE 4x faster than the rest? Thinking about whats involved with the extraction process it just seems impossible. :dunno: Many surgeons would struggle to do a 4700 strip in just one session.

Gillenator, Falceros, Hairtech and any other posters from the industry whats your opinion?

 

[RaginDemon]

4700 just sounds ridiculous to me no offense.

Your comment has no merit.

When I say 4,700 I am only reiterating the claims of Armani. So, you can accuse them of lying i guess, but I don't think that claim would be substantiated on the grounds of what sounds rediculous to you.

I have considered to get hair transplant to fix the hairline so I invested my time doing research online. I read most of the hair transplant specialists can FUE up to 1000 per session. I undersand Aarmani is probabily the leading guy in the industry but I really doublt he can outdo others by 4 or 5 times at the current stage. Just my 0.2

 

[Optimist]

4700 just sounds ridiculous to me no offense.

Your comment has no merit.

When I say 4,700 I am only reiterating the claims of Armani. So, you can accuse them of lying i guess, but I don't think that claim would be substantiated on the grounds of what sounds rediculous to you.

I have considered to get hair transplant to fix the hairline so I invested my time doing research online. I read most of the hair transplant specialists can FUE up to 1000 per session. I undersand Aarmani is probabily the leading guy in the industry but I really doublt he can outdo others by 4 or 5 times at the current stage. Just my 0.2

Oh, ok. If you pm me your email, I can forward you the email I got about it. Armani sent out a email announcing that they set a new record by doing 4,700 grafts in one session etc. etc. I was really surprised myself. I suspect it may have involved more than one doctor, although I really have no idea. I don't think they would make it up though.

 

[Lucky_UK]

I think armani will have a lot of unhappy young guys in the next few years, one thing with hair transplant is you only have a limited amount of donor hair and if its all packed into your hairline what are you gonna do when the crown starts to thin?? Many have discussed how unethical armani is and how he fails to consider future hairloss with young men, he's far too expensive IMO

 

[s.a.f]

you only have a limited amount of donor hair and if its all packed into your hairline what are you gonna do when the crown starts to thin?? Many have discussed how unethical armani is and how he fails to consider future hairloss with young men,

Its not his problem a few years down the line is it? By then he's already spent the $$$ he made off them. Young guys all rave about Armani because he gives them the teenage hairlines they want, they see his results and think he's better than the more conservative surgeons with their nw2 hairlines.

 

[Lucky_UK]

Yep agreed s.a.f.

 

[Optimist]

I appreciate the skepticism of both of you, but nothing you are saying is based on facts or evidence, it is all simply speculation. I posted that link to a picture of a guy with advanced hairloss who got a low hairline, and yet you still say that young guys who have aggresive transplants end up bald. Of course you would be right if a standard hair transplant surgeon were harvesting 3000 grafts for a small area on a young person because most say that you can only get a total of 6,000 grafts. However, Armani says that the average is 15,000, so can't you see how under this approach harvesting 3000 grafts on a young guy isn't a problem if he still have 12,000 left?

I think that if you want to be reasonable, you should focus on questioning whether or not you can really harvest that many grafts and I think this is a valid question. For example, if you look at the advanced hairloss picture via the link I posted, and look carefully, you will see thinning (to the point of being see through) in the donor area. However, I think the overall after result is far more preferable than the pretransplant situation.

Criticism is great, but I think you should approach it in a more rational and evidentiary manner. It isn't helpful to just make statements without backing them up.

 

[vayder]

4700 fue is absolutely true. It was done in Toronto and broke all records. I had 4000 in one day of fue. It takes about 12-15 hr of procedure. but again, fue is very expensive especially these lengthy procedures

 

[antonio666]

armani is probably the best hair transplant Doctor in the buisness,he is also probably the most expensive

 

[vayder]

I appreciate the skepticism of both of you, but nothing you are saying is based on facts or evidence, it is all simply speculation. I posted that link to a picture of a guy with advanced hairloss who got a low hairline, and yet you still say that young guys who have aggresive transplants end up bald. Of course you would be right if a standard hair transplant surgeon were harvesting 3000 grafts for a small area on a young person because most say that you can only get a total of 6,000 grafts. However, Armani says that the average is 15,000, so can't you see how under this approach harvesting 3000 grafts on a young guy isn't a problem if he still have 12,000 left?

I think that if you want to be reasonable, you should focus on questioning whether or not you can really harvest that many grafts and I think this is a valid question. For example, if you look at the advanced hairloss picture via the link I posted, and look carefully, you will see thinning (to the point of being see through) in the donor area. However, I think the overall after result is far more preferable than the pretransplant situation.

Criticism is great, but I think you should approach it in a more rational and evidentiary manner. It isn't helpful to just make statements without backing them up.

when did armani say 15,000 is the average!?????. I never heard him give an actual number like that. He does mention a lot is available but never a definitive answer. Wheres the evidence for this. I'm really wanting the actual answer based on evidence or a shared answer between leading doctors.

 

[antonio666]

I appreciate the skepticism of both of you, but nothing you are saying is based on facts or evidence, it is all simply speculation. I posted that link to a picture of a guy with advanced hairloss who got a low hairline, and yet you still say that young guys who have aggresive transplants end up bald. Of course you would be right if a standard hair transplant surgeon were harvesting 3000 grafts for a small area on a young person because most say that you can only get a total of 6,000 grafts. However, Armani says that the average is 15,000, so can't you see how under this approach harvesting 3000 grafts on a young guy isn't a problem if he still have 12,000 left?

I think that if you want to be reasonable, you should focus on questioning whether or not you can really harvest that many grafts and I think this is a valid question. For example, if you look at the advanced hairloss picture via the link I posted, and look carefully, you will see thinning (to the point of being see through) in the donor area. However, I think the overall after result is far more preferable than the pretransplant situation.

Criticism is great, but I think you should approach it in a more rational and evidentiary manner. It isn't helpful to just make statements without backing them up.

when did armani say 15,000 is the average!?????. I never heard him give an actual number like that. He does mention a lot is available but never a definitive answer. Wheres the evidence for this. I'm really wanting the actual answer based on evidence or a shared answer between leading doctors.

yeah 15,000 is a bullshit number i bet he would struggle to get half that