Wouldn't dutasteride be worth it if you aren't getting girls anyways?

[ladysmanfelpz]

So hair loss is directly related to androgens as chopping off your nutz would cause the existing hair follicles to grow full strength correct? Well so if you are concerned with your look enough, wouldn't it be worth it to near castrate yourself and get all hair back? I've been taking 1.25mg finasteride a day and been responding great, so I don't see how upping to dutasteride to inhibit dht up to 90% could affect me much worse. Seriously been responding great. Dick still works great, although I haven't been boning any chick so I really don't know how it'd be in the sack, but I still wake up with mone bones and it reacts when I see attractive girls and semen seems back to normal and not as watery as in the first 2 weeks of starting finasteride. I've seen some crazy success threads with little dutasteride usage and seeing how even .1mg of dutasteride is more effective than 5mg finasteride, I think a dosage of .1mg dutasteride daily (if drug companies would make it) would be the ultimate treatment and dam near cure to hair loss.

I know its more the cells receptors to dht that causes hairloss itself, but I believe I have an hyperactive 5a reductase enzyme and carry way too much dht as I also have bad acne as well. Only 22 here and hair loss is bad and skin is bad too and I feel like I look like I have a deficiency compared to my peers. I think only .1mg of dutasteride would be most effective for hair loss because with its long half life, it would be best to reach max efficacy with lowest amount needed and not carry the extra .4mg as with avodart that does not inhibit anymore dht. Plan is get dutasteride tablets and cut into quarters (would have to order online as only dutasteride available in states is Avodart which is sold as capsules), so 0.125mg and take twice, maybe three times a week. People keep talking about, "Does avodart one time a week help regrow hair?" and shiz like that, but has anyone bit the bullet and gone like EOD on dutasteride and finasteride and got good results? Sounds like some people have gone full dutasteride and near castrated themselves and got great results, but can't someone try a useable, tolerable dosage and get results and get back to us? And why would people take dutasteride and finasteride on the same day as the dutasteride is already going to overpower the finasteride and inhibit dht more in every fashion available? Just seems like everyone is super interested in dutasteride as the cure, but no one has tried a good, educated, logical program with the drug.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

The title is disrespectful. And it took another poster to tell you that. Smh.

 

[Quantum Cat]

but can't someone try a useable, tolerable dosage and get results and get back to us?

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Just seems like everyone is super interested in dutasteride as the cure, but no one has tried a good, educated, logical program with the drug.

why don't you try it and get back to us?

 

[talmoode]

why don't you try it and get back to us?

:jump: yes please do! I'd love to know if it is worth a try!!!

 

[abcdefg]

dutasteride is possibly dangerous long term and I would argue propecia messes with who knows what long term I mean DHT is in the prostate, brain many other places your guess is as good as mine what it could be doing. Internal DHT inhibitors need to go the way of dinasaurs and become extinct the sooner the better. No one should be using that stuff its just sad its all we have and men get desperate

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

How is the title disrespectful? I'm not calling girls b****s or anything, just using a slang term of the female reproductive organ that I am currently absent of in my life. Talmoode I am very interested in trying it and will let you know if I give it a go. And abcdefg, how can you say it is dangerous? I know it is much stronger than finasteride, but if it is prescribed to old fat 50+ year olds for enlarged prostates, how could it be damaging to a young stallion whose hormones are in peak level? It will only be inhibiting dht by 15-20% more over finasteride, but plenty will still be circulating in the system. Like I said I've been responding great to finasteride and don't see how dutasteride can be much more damaging. I just don't get why people are so scared to try it for male pattern baldness if it is currently prescribed for BPH. And could someone explain to me why people would take finasteride and dutasteride on the same day? Makes no sense to me.

 

[Quantum Cat]

it suppresses more than 15-20% more, and both types of DHT which is why it could have worse side effects than finasteride - and fat 50 year olds with prostate problems aren't going to be in peak sexual condition anyway so it won't matter so much for them.

Some people do use it with success I believe, but unlike finasteride it hasn't been properly trialed for male pattern baldness and isn't officially prescribed for it, which is why it's more of a risk


if you've been responding great to finasteride then why wouldn't you want to continue with it?

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

I'm going to continue with finasteride, but would like to try to jump on a little dutasteride as well. Another thing abcdefg, is that people have hormone imbalances. Its a fact. And medication, diet, and lifestyle all affect our hormones and who knows the percentage of people walking around out there with perfect hormone levels. For me, I completely believe hairloss is a hormone imbalance. For one, I don't think any guy should be balding in his early 20's. Balding is a male characteristic, but that is too young and means something is wrong with hormones that is leading to the problem. Also I had bad acne that the finasteride is starting to clear up thank God. Its not like I had pizza face, but I stay healthy and eat a clean diet and my face was oily and I had a lot of gnarly black heads from enflamed sebaceous glands. And another thing which most people find weird, but after learning that dht plays a large factor in pubic hair and axillary hair growth, I couldn't help but notice my family has super long pit hair. My dad, brother, and I have weirdly long pit hair. Not like circus freak, but for all of us when our arms are resting on our sides you can see tufts of pit hair coming out past the upper bicep. So I do believe my hair loss is a hormone imbalance and dht inhibitors are a good treatment for me. Hopefully they'll help me maintain until I'm 30 when better treatment comes out.

As with the title, I am not afraid of sexual side effects and honestly don't believe I will have any, but I am afraid of gyno. If I try a little dutasteride, how can I avoid gyno? I have some fenugreek that I take every once in a while, but thats all ive heard of as a mild aromatase inhibiter. Does working out and keeping low body fat suppress estrogen as well?

 

[Quantum Cat]

I don't think any guy should be balding in his early 20's.

neither do I , but that's life - it's called genetics

For me, I completely believe hairloss is a hormone imbalance

a hormone imbalance.... caused by genetics. Diet and lifestyle does not factor into male pattern baldness

 

[abcdefg]

If you think taking dutasteride is the right call then go for it. I think its dangerous and not approved by FDA for male pattern baldness. I wouldnt touch the stuff whether I was balding or not. I can understand people taking propecia which is more safe, but even that is questionable long term with how different everyone is and reacts to this kind of thing.

 

[Quantum Cat]

to be fair, something not being approved by the FDA doesn't necessarily make it dangerous or ineffective, just that nobody has been bothered to try and market it for several reasons.

still, I would be wary of taking dutasteride myself, considering all the controversy over finasteride, and dutasteride is significantly stronger and blocks enzymes not related to male pattern baldness.

 

[Quantum Cat]

I know, and they seem to have abandoned the idea - probably because there won't be enough money in it, and/or they're concerned about unscrupulous people like you attempting to sue them

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

K another idea. Is it fine to take finasteride twice a day? If i feel great on my dose now, and finasteride only has a half life of 8 hours, wouldn't it be more effective to take one in the morning and then one at night, even more so that just upping the dosage? The enzyme is always trying to convert T to DHT and it has to lose efficacy as your body metabolizes it throughout the day, especially once it drops lower than .75mg or whatever is the max effective amount in most men. I used to dose .25 mg one day and then .25mg morning and .25mg night the next day when I was on propecia. Now im cutting up proscar and the jump up to 1.25mg didn't increase in sides at all. Should I try a 2 week bout of going 1.25 mg midday one day, 1.25mg morning and night the next and keep this going in an EOD pattern or is there some reason that this is not more effective that a pharmacist can explain to me?

 

[WarLord]

How is the title disrespectful? I'm not calling girls b****s or anything, just using a slang term of the female reproductive organ that I am currently absent of in my life. Talmoode I am very interested in trying it and will let you know if I give it a go. And abcdefg, how can you say it is dangerous? I know it is much stronger than finasteride, but if it is prescribed to old fat 50+ year olds for enlarged prostates, how could it be damaging to a young stallion whose hormones are in peak level? It will only be inhibiting dht by 15-20% more over finasteride, but plenty will still be circulating in the system. Like I said I've been responding great to finasteride and don't see how dutasteride can be much more damaging. I just don't get why people are so scared to try it for male pattern baldness if it is currently prescribed for BPH. And could someone explain to me why people would take finasteride and dutasteride on the same day? Makes no sense to me.

These talks are ridiculous. The only scary problem with 5-alpha reductase inhibitors is the shedding of hair. Nothing else matters. If you regrow hair on dutasteride, your life is practically saved forever.

The shedding can be quite serious. I jumped on dutasteride and I don't have good sleep. I am just already experiencing a mysterious, unexpected hair loss on finasteride that turned my life into a nightmare. I have lost 6 kg of body weight during 3 months, I can't sleep, I can't live normally, because I don't know, what is happening. Be sure that suicidal thoughts are a daily routine. THIS IS A REAL "SIDE EFFECT"!

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

Wait what the hell are you talking about Warlord? Those are side effects you are having from Dutasteride, or could it be that you are so stressed out that finasteride isn't working for you anymore and you feel helpless? Try being a good looking guy and slowly start losing your hair since 17 as well as the sexy girls you use to get and your acne only gets worse into adulthood. Thats why I think 5a reductase inhibitors may be my cure. Still looking at dutasteride but in tablet form so I can cut it up and dose .125mg so if I do get sides I can work it out of my system fairly quickly. Can someone answer my question about finasteride twice a day please tho so I don't have to start another thread? Wouldn't this be the way to close the gap towards dutasteride because when finasteride loses its efficacy as it is metabolized you dose another at night to still inhibit dht by 70% which should be plenty to regrow hair but sides would not be increased?

 

[WarLord]

Wait what the hell are you talking about Warlord? Those are side effects you are having from Dutasteride, or could it be that you are so stressed out that finasteride isn't working for you anymore and you feel helpless? Try being a good looking guy and slowly start losing your hair since 17 as well as the sexy girls you use to get and your acne only gets worse into adulthood. Thats why I think 5a reductase inhibitors may be my cure. Still looking at dutasteride but in tablet form so I can cut it up and dose .125mg so if I do get sides I can work it out of my system fairly quickly. Can someone answer my question about finasteride twice a day please tho so I don't have to start another thread? Wouldn't this be the way to close the gap towards dutasteride because when finasteride loses its efficacy as it is metabolized you dose another at night to still inhibit dht by 70% which should be plenty to regrow hair but sides would not be increased?

The grotesque thing is that finasteride worked in me. In summer. It was an explosive regrowth along my hairline. But after mere 2 months everything turned into an opposite direction and I began to lose hair. It's been going for 3,5 months already (I posted about it in another thread). I suspect that it must be finasteride, because the hair loss has an unusual pattern. I already accepted that I would get bald. Otherwise I would get mad from this situation.

It is like Murphy's law. I experience exactly what I was most afraid.

As for finasteride, simply take it once a day. What's so difficult on it? You won't feel any change, unless you are highly vivid. DHT is a useless hormone for adult men. Your body won't miss it.

As for dutasteride, it is my only hope now. But I am afraid that it could make things even worse. I wouldn't be surprised, really. At least, I think it won't cause telegen effluvium.

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

Oh thats right Warlord. You're the big minoxidil guy. I wouldn't blame the drugs that hit the fundamental process of balding, I would blame minoxidil. I think that stuff is poison. You did dose it correctly and probably the best anyone could possible do, but no one really knows how that stuff works. It just puts your hair in the active growth phase. I think your sudden hairloss may have to do something with the minoxidil working over all these years the best it could, but you've ran it til its end. I think dutasteride will help you for sure, but your gonna go through some weird hair loss with the minoxidil being all finicky. Thats why I quit minoxidil and am gonna run finasteride and dutasteride and even if I have thin hair itll be my natural look. I'm only 22 and pretty dam bald but thats my look and now at least I'll bald slowly and maturely and people will be used to my look and bald won't be an overnight thing for me that I myself can't handle.

 

[Quantum Cat]

The grotesque thing is that finasteride worked in me. In summer. It was an explosive regrowth along my hairline. But after mere 2 months everything turned into an opposite direction and I began to lose hair. It's been going for 3,5 months already (I posted about it in another thread). I suspect that it must be finasteride, because the hair loss has an unusual pattern. I already accepted that I would get bald. Otherwise I would get mad from this situation.

It is like Murphy's law. I experience exactly what I was most afraid.

As for finasteride, simply take it once a day. What's so difficult on it? You won't feel any change, unless you are highly vivid. DHT is a useless hormone for adult men. Your body won't miss it.

As for dutasteride, it is my only hope now. But I am afraid that it could make things even worse. I wouldn't be surprised, really. At least, I think it won't cause telegen effluvium.

if you convince yourself that you'll get side effects, you probably will

 

[Quantum Cat]

^ so what are DHT's proven functions in the adult male body?

 

[Harry S Truman]

You won't feel any change, unless you are highly vivid. DHT is a useless hormone for adult men. Your body won't miss it.

seems legit