Why Isn't It Just This Simple To Cure

[resu]

Way beyond a NW3:

 

[Medina]

The university I went to was like all white. At least it felt like it, just White and Asian, it felt like 80% white, 20% Asian, it was a mostly "white" city in upstate NY. Since i'm so conscious of my balding, of course I notice balding on other males. I saw a total of 1 balding student in my whole 2 years in that school. Now you can say, "well college students are 18-25 years old, that's not exactly the age most white males start balding", while I think this used to be true, I think everyone is balding much faster than before. My father says he started at 29, I started subtle receding at 16, and noticeable receding at 18. My friends fathers say the same thing, they started receding in their late 20s, my bald friends who are my age started in late teens to early 20s. I'd like to also say I saw more balding in the city than in upstate NY. Again, environment? Just throwing some bro science out there, obviously.

While this is a small sample, I think many men on this forum would have the same story "grandfather and father started balding in late 20s-early 30s, I started 5-10 years before them!"

What is it? That's very interesting. Who knows why it's getting worse, or if it's the same and it's just my imagination.

I like to investigate these things too. And yes in many cases baldness appears worse after each generation but fortunately for me I have beaten my father and my uncles. It's actually kind of a miracle and a big deal in my family that I still have some hair.

Which makes me wonder about the old "mothers side" chestnut. What about your mother? Do her brothers have hair?

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

I like to investigate these things too. And yes in many cases baldness appears worse after each generation but fortunately for me I have beaten my father and my uncles. It's actually kind of a miracle and a big deal in my family that I still have some hair.

Which makes me wonder about the old "mothers side" chestnut. What about your mother? Do her brothers have hair?

You're lucky, it was very tough being a balding teen, psychologically and socially.

Oh yeah, I have a big family on both sides. They seem to have come from an era where lots of siblings was a thing. I have a lot of aunts and uncles from both sides, they are all bald, balding or receding. Like I said, just 1 uncle from my dad's side is still NW1 in his 50s.

 

[17AndBalding]

The university I went to was like all white. At least it felt like it, just White and Asian, it felt like 80% white, 20% Asian, it was a mostly "white" city in upstate NY. Since i'm so conscious of my balding, of course I notice balding on other males. I saw a total of 1 balding student in my whole 2 years in that school. Now you can say, "well college students are 18-25 years old, that's not exactly the age most white males start balding", while I think this used to be true, I think everyone is balding much faster than before. My father says he started at 29, I started subtle receding at 16, and noticeable receding at 18. My friends fathers say the same thing, they started receding in their late 20s, my bald friends who are my age started in late teens to early 20s. I'd like to also say I saw more balding in the city than in upstate NY. Again, environment? Just throwing some bro science out there, obviously.

While this is a small sample, I think many men on this forum would have the same story "grandfather and father started balding in late 20s-early 30s, I started 5-10 years before them!"

What is it? That's very interesting. Who knows why it's getting worse, or if it's the same and it's just my imagination.

This is exactly the case with me and interesting that you brought it up. My father started receding noticeably at around 23, and I am at 18. It seems to happen earlier and earlier, but it might be coincidence, who knows.

 

[17AndBalding]

The university I went to was like all white. At least it felt like it, just White and Asian, it felt like 80% white, 20% Asian, it was a mostly "white" city in upstate NY. Since i'm so conscious of my balding, of course I notice balding on other males. I saw a total of 1 balding student in my whole 2 years in that school. Now you can say, "well college students are 18-25 years old, that's not exactly the age most white males start balding", while I think this used to be true, I think everyone is balding much faster than before. My father says he started at 29, I started subtle receding at 16, and noticeable receding at 18. My friends fathers say the same thing, they started receding in their late 20s, my bald friends who are my age started in late teens to early 20s. I'd like to also say I saw more balding in the city than in upstate NY. Again, environment? Just throwing some bro science out there, obviously.

While this is a small sample, I think many men on this forum would have the same story "grandfather and father started balding in late 20s-early 30s, I started 5-10 years before them!"

What is it? That's very interesting. Who knows why it's getting worse, or if it's the same and it's just my imagination.

Also if I may ask, how old are you now and at what level of baldness are you? I'm asking this since I'll probably follow in your footsteps, just curious at the rate it's going (even though I know it's different for everybody).

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

Also if I may ask, how old are you now and at what level of baldness are you? I'm asking this since I'll probably follow in your footsteps, just curious at the rate it's going (even though I know it's different for everybody).

I'm 28 and I had an FUE and use finasteride and minoxidil. To tell you the truth, looking at my native hairs, or what's left of them right now i'd be a horseshoe NW7 with no medication/FUE. I remember being like diffused NW4-5 pre FUE.

 

[17AndBalding]

I'm 28 and I had an FUE and use finasteride and minoxidil. To tell you the truth, looking at my native hairs, or what's left of them right now i'd be a horseshoe NW7 with no medication/FUE. I remember being like diffused NW4-5 pre FUE.

Damn... I hope better alternatives come around in the next few years... With the FUE, how is it looking now?

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

Damn... I hope better alternatives come around in the next few years... With the FUE, how is it looking now?

Better. I would say NW3 vs being NW7, i'll take it, but i've never been good at telling Norwood's. I get the "you're going bald" comments from people who saw me 10 years ago and were telling me i'm going bald back then. The FUE got me back to the time where I "was going bald" rather than the "just shave already" comments.

Let me show you some pics I took right now with my head bathed in 3ml of minoxidil and a strong lamp pointed right at my head to expose my scalp as much as possible to show the balding at it's worst. I'm saying NW3, but it could be NW4, or NW2 lol, or even diffused NW5 I just don't know. But it is diffused.

(the black triangles is just me being paranoid blocking my window)

I'd like to note that I have more pics showing vellus hairs all the way down to what looks like an NW0 hairline and temples, which grew there weeks after using minoxidil. Unfortunately, these vellus hairs are just teasing me, they've been there for a while with no sign of growing into adults. They started as really tiny, barely noticeable, to noticeable only in closer inspection with good lighting, and that's where they plateaued.

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

Yeah, actually, as you can see there's a horseshoe pattern.

 

[Medina]

Yeah, actually, as you can see there's a horseshoe pattern.

Get on toppik dude, it's the best sh*t ever

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

Get on toppik dude, it's the best sh*t ever

Lol I used toppik like 5 years ago, for about 2 years before stopping.

 

[17AndBalding]

Better. I would say NW3 vs being NW7, i'll take it, but i've never been good at telling Norwood's. I get the "you're going bald" comments from people who saw me 10 years ago and were telling me i'm going bald back then. The FUE got me back to the time where I "was going bald" rather than the "just shave already" comments.

Let me show you some pics I took right now with my head bathed in 3ml of minoxidil and a strong lamp pointed right at my head to expose my scalp as much as possible to show the balding at it's worst. I'm saying NW3, but it could be NW4, or NW2 lol, or even diffused NW5 I just don't know. But it is diffused.

(the black triangles is just me being paranoid blocking my window)

I'd like to note that I have more pics showing vellus hairs all the way down to what looks like an NW0 hairline and temples, which grew there weeks after using minoxidil. Unfortunately, these vellus hairs are just teasing me, they've been there for a while with no sign of growing into adults. They started as really tiny, barely noticeable, to noticeable only in closer inspection with good lighting, and that's where they plateaued.

To me this looks like actual NW2, just diffuse ofcourse. For me it isn't too bad yet, only frontal baldness as of now. I am NW2.5 (people on this site told me that before) and all the hairs beyond NW3 pattern are still 100% okay, no loss at the crown yet. Just noticing it is increasingly difficult to hide my receding temples. So who knows where it goes, my dad was NW5~ish at 35 so maybe I'm just in time for new treatments.

 

[GiveMeAccessToMyAccount]

To me this looks like actual NW2, just diffuse ofcourse. For me it isn't too bad yet, only frontal baldness as of now. I am NW2.5 (people on this site told me that before) and all the hairs beyond NW3 pattern are still 100% okay, no loss at the crown yet. Just noticing it is increasingly difficult to hide my receding temples. So who knows where it goes, my dad was NW5~ish at 35 so maybe I'm just in time for new treatments.

If only minoxidil can just bring my hairline down like 3 more inches in the next 3 years while I wait for better treatments.

I always said I need to get 2 FUE's to give me the thickening I want. Some dense packing would be nice to cover the diffused spot.

 

[coolio]

The thread's original topic has been covered countless times.

Baldness is basically genetic. It's like asking why one ethnic group keeps stubbornly growing taller than another. Genes.

Yes, white people (caucasians) get it worse than anyone else. It shows up most in races whose ancestors were bundled up for cold climate and also had heavy facial hair. The lack of exposed skin for Vitamin D production was probably the original reason why baldness came to exist.

Baldness does seem to be worsening in westernized/industrialized countries. IMO it is probably due to our crap diets of processed foods DURING THE CRUCIAL CHILDHOOD & ADOLESCENT YEARS indirectly increasing the androgen exposure effects in the skin. That would explain how we can worsen our problem with bad food and yet we don't see much of an improvement when we start eating better.

The problem of our estrogen-ized environment may also be a significant factor. Our hormone levels are getting steadily more different from our ancestors by the decade. A rapid change has been occurring.

 

[Swoop]

- Very little scientists working in this field

- No proper model.

- Difficult problem

- Regulations

- Not funded well

 

[abcdefg]

Yeah as most real world problems often are its much more complicated than the the average person thinks. Its a big combination of factors because if it was simple it would have been cured a long time ago.
You could compare samples between the Norwood 7 and the Norwood 1 but the devil is in the details. Its like saying just build a house or just make a whatever. Everything sounds easy if you just abstract away all the enormous complexity behind it. A lot of it just no one understands so your finding 1 single factor say PGD 2 is elevated but is it just PGD2 or the 40 other pathways and signals also connected before/after PGD2? How much does one change the others? What ones are more important? What ones have molecules you can actually change? The list goes on and on.

 

[NewUser]

It's not that simple to cure pattern hairloss because, despite the cope of "follicles never really die", you essentially need to create new follicles.

The cope must be coming from the quotes of actual scientists, like Cotsarelis et al, published in peer-reviewed medical journals and such:

Our finding that Androgenetic Alopecia, in the clinical category of nonscarring alopecia, demonstrated preservation of hair follicle stem cells suggests potential reversibility of this condition.

 

[Toby0823]

There's more bald/balding people than those with cancer, Alzheimer's, etc (not trying to say these aren't important bcs they are far more).

But the $ will be towards a cure for baldness. Whoever finds this cure will be rich! I for one will pay a ridiculous amount of needed; and I'm not rich. I'm really suprised there's no cure, I mean man kind have been aware of baldness well before these other diseases.