Why Are Some Men Horribly Affected By Finasteride?

[DavieJinx]

Why do some men get horribly affected by extreme side effects like ED, loss of libido, severe depression, brain fog, memory loss, cognitive impairment whereas other men have zero side effects?

 

[g.i joey]

THAT my friend is the question EVERYONE asks themselves. If there were a way to establish who would get sides and who wouldnt, there wouldn't be such a sh*t show about finasteride.

 

[DavieJinx]

Do you think it's a genetic susceptibility?

 

[jimmyjonas]

The million dollar question, at the moment nobody knows, just theories, I do find it very odd that the largest study so far by Harvard found nothing except depression, a lot of pfs guys don't accept that one and think they may have been biased by Merck I personally do not believe that for a second, I think it's actually a very important study in that it ruled a lot out what guys for years thiught PFS was, there's another coming by Baylor this year I hear.

 

[g.i joey]

ohhh man, honestly i wish i knew. Even if merck would release a statement of the most IDEAL hormonal profile type person to hop on finasteride, this would help alot of people get their hormones in check before getting on the drug.

A dude on bodybuilding forum had a very solid theory saying that 3 body types (ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph) all react differently to finasteride and that endomorph is the worst type to be to wanna hop on finasteride, as endomorph is known to be the most feminine out of the 3. Again, all this is is theory.

All i know is that im happy to have tried finasteride, it was a battle honestly, i started my first dose in december of 2014, ran into some serious sides, lost some weight, got alot healthier and eventually hopped back on and now i feel 100% normal on finasteride.

Taking finasteride and obsessing about the sides is not a fun way to trial the drug.

 

[g.i joey]

The million dollar question, at the moment nobody knows, just theories, I do find it very odd that the largest study so far by Harvard found nothing except depression, a lot of pfs guys don't accept that one and think they may have been biased by Merck I personally do not believe that for a second, I think it's actually a very important study in that it ruled a lot out what guys for years thiught PFS was, there's another coming by Baylor this year I hear.

THIS, in all honesty, the numbers that merck presented initially arent far off from the numbers we get from these independent studies. Aside from permanent sides (which i believe merck was genuinely not aware about) they really didnt skew the numbers too much. This is coming from someone who takes the drug and believes side effects were in the 5-15% range

 

[jimmyjonas]

THIS, in all honesty, the numbers that merck presented initially arent far off from the numbers we get from these independent studies. Aside from permanent sides (which i believe merck was genuinely not aware about) they really didnt skew the numbers too much. This is coming from someone who takes the drug and believes side effects were in the 5-15% range

Yeah it's weird man, I am very curious about the results of the Baylor one, The Harvard one either missed something that they couldn't see or it's what they found as in depression, I just cannot get my head around how that would make my genitals lose sensation and that it would develop a bad curve to the left in my penis which is as true as god what had happened to me after taking it for less than a week. I wasn't scared taking it, in fact I thought great I'm doing something about hairloss, I had considered taking it in my early twenties about ten years ago and read about it and thought f*** that I'm not touching that, but hair loss was getting bad and I just had a change of heart after talking to doctor saying that long term sides are a myth and he had thousands of patients and only report he got was from a few who had lower desire after taking it for a long period of time. I spoke to a friend recently who studies psychology, he suggested it could be a thing called a conversion disorder in that a fear deep in your subconscious comes to manifest itself in physical symptoms, I read about it and it's an interesting theory but i don't know I just don't accept that which leaves me in kind of limbo with the above symptoms remaining. I have introduced elements of cds nuts protocol and definitely have had improvements mostly mentally I'm calmer and stronger just wish my dick would wake the f*** up!!

 

[biddybomb]

if someone claims they have permanent ED dysfunction from finasteride, how exactly do they determine if that is true in studies?

 

[g.i joey]

Yeah it's weird man, I am very curious about the results of the Baylor one, The Harvard one either missed something that they couldn't see or it's what they found as in depression, I just cannot get my head around how that would make my genitals lose sensation and that it would develop a bad curve to the left in my penis which is as true as god what had happened to me after taking it for less than a week. I wasn't scared taking it, in fact I thought great I'm doing something about hairloss, I had considered taking it in my early twenties about ten years ago and read about it and thought f*** that I'm not touching that, but hair loss was getting bad and I just had a change of heart after talking to doctor saying that long term sides are a myth and he had thousands of patients and only report he got was from a few who had lower desire after taking it for a long period of time. I spoke to a friend recently who studies psychology, he suggested it could be a thing called a conversion disorder in that a fear deep in your subconscious comes to manifest itself in physical symptoms, I read about it and it's an interesting theory but i don't know I just don't accept that which leaves me in kind of limbo with the above symptoms remaining. I have introduced elements of cds nuts protocol and definitely have had improvements mostly mentally I'm calmer and stronger just wish my dick would wake the f*** up!!

I actually think side effects have to kick in before your subconscious can completely take over. I dont doubt for a second you did in fact experience the sides you did. I just think that maybe in some people, they see this, get super depressed, get off the drug still depressed and get even more depressed about their hair, especially days after being off the drug and still having a low libido/ED. Once you get yourself into that kind of loop i do believe its hard to get out of. For what you say about what you experienced on the drug, that is some freaky sh*t man, my penis is kinda curved upwards when im erect but i cant tell you if i had it like that before or not, because i never really payed attention. Either way, from what i read, alot of penis's curve in different directions brah.

 

[DavieJinx]

The stories of how the drug can trigger suicidal depression and suicidal thoughts, what is the mechanism behind that.

Maybe some men cannot handle the decrease DHT or their endocrine system goes haywire and the dht decrease impacts other hormones and brain chemicals

 

[jimmyjonas]

I actually think side effects have to kick in before your subconscious can completely take over. I dont doubt for a second you did in fact experience the sides you did. I just think that maybe in some people, they see this, get super depressed, get off the drug still depressed and get even more depressed about their hair, especially days after being off the drug and still having a low libido/ED. Once you get yourself into that kind of loop i do believe its hard to get out of. For what you say about what you experienced on the drug, that is some freaky sh*t man, my penis is kinda curved upwards when im erect but i cant tell you if i had it like that before or not, because i never really payed attention. Either way, from what i read, alot of penis's curve in different directions brah.

Yeah dude, freaky sh*t indeed, I do have many moments where I think this isn't real this couldn't have happened and I must be one of the unluckiest guys in the world like 1.4% for fucks sake but it's very real to me and I just got to get back to myself, thats the hardest part I just don't feel like me anymore everybody has noticed that I'm different, friends etc my zest is gone since I took it and I hate that. Its a lonely road this sh*t But things can only get better from here for me man and I'm slowly turning the corner.

 

[DavieJinx]

Yeah dude, freaky sh*t indeed, I do have many moments where I think this isn't real this couldn't have happened and I must be one of the unluckiest guys in the world like 1.4% for fucks sake but it's very real to me and I just got to get back to myself, thats the hardest part I just don't feel like me anymore everybody has noticed that I'm different, friends etc my zest is gone since I took it and I hate that. Its a lonely road this sh*t But things can only get better from here for me man and I'm slowly turning the corner.

Did you have mental side effects?

 

[jimmyjonas]

Yes I did, horrific over November and December and January being honest BUT I improved in that regard I didn't think I would. Look man, you are going to give yourself sides by hanging around the negative posts while you've just started, get off the forums it's not going to help you asking about the permanence of finasteride effects etc definitely not a good idea. You'll freak yourself out sounds like you already have

 

[DavieJinx]

Yes I did, horrific over November and December and January being honest BUT I improved in that regard I didn't think I would. Look man, you are going to give yourself sides by hanging around the negative posts while you've just started, get off the forums it's not going to help you asking about the permanence of finasteride effects etc definitely not a good idea. You'll freak yourself out sounds like you already have

Dude you recover mentally?

I'm really sorry you went through that.

 

[jimmyjonas]

Dude you recover mentally?

I'm really sorry you went through that.

Well I'm definitely better than I was not back to the old me but better than where I was around Christmas I was suicidal to be honest had never felt anything like that in my life I was just hanging on but with time I've come to accept it and things have got better with exercise and diet. Not what I saw coming when taking finasteride, I'm different since taking it. Hard to explain but my mojo/zest isn't there at moment but I'm very confident things will get better for me. I would reiterate to yourself stop hanging round the negative sh*t on forums, I only started posting after I got hit you're setting yourself up to have a bad run with it just be cool and switch off for a couple weeks nothing to gain by hanging here.

 

[jimmyjonas]

if someone claims they have permanent ED dysfunction from finasteride, how exactly do they determine if that is true in studies?

I'm not a scientist and have a hard time getting my head around the science of finasteride but I imagine by comparing to the levels of a healthy man with no libido issues and trying to find what sticks out is there a level of something that is clearly different in the body or brain of a man suffering from long term side effects, sounds simple but they haven't found it yet, there is a rumour that Baylor did identify something so I curiously await the results of that study.

 

[jimmyjonas]

And for the record now I could not give a f*** about my hair, as soon as I got hit I haven't thought about it, I actually want it to start falling out as that apparently is a sign that the body is rebalancing, I was getting a lot of scalp buzz or an itch before I started finasteride that was going on and off for a few months before I jumped on finasteride and I was losing a lot of hair, I have had no scalp itch since taking and stopping finasteride and I have not being losing hair, I take a shower and no hair on my hand, I sh*t you not, maybe a coincidence but freaky all the same.

 

[DavieJinx]

And for the record now I could not give a f*** about my hair, as soon as I got hit I haven't thought about it, I actually want it to start falling out as that apparently is a sign that the body is rebalancing, I was getting a lot of scalp buzz or an itch before I started finasteride that was going on and off for a few months before I jumped on finasteride and I was losing a lot of hair, I have had no scalp itch since taking and stopping finasteride and I have not being losing hair, I take a shower and no hair on my hand, I sh*t you not, maybe a coincidence but freaky all the same.

That's crazy, your loss has stopped? Even after stopping the medication?

 

[jimmyjonas]

That's crazy, your loss has stopped? Even after stopping the medication?

Yes I know that may sound hard to believe and it may be a coincidence like a shed cycle or something but I am not getting anymore scalp buzz that was really f*****g annoying me before I started finasteride it has up to now completely stopped.

 

[DavieJinx]

Yes I know that may sound hard to believe and it may be a coincidence like a shed cycle or something but I am not getting anymore scalp buzz that was really f*****g annoying me before I started finasteride it has up to now completely stopped.

Has anything regrowth or thickened up?

It sounds like your dht never came back