Who Do You Have Faith In The Future?

[christkr]

Why do you have faith in the future*

I cant see that anything have changed in the hairloss industry for many many years. Its just alot of talking by people with such optimism in their voices. Why is it still like that? People get so hyped for every single news they are being told. Yet, nothing has changed. Can you tell me why you belive that we are close to the cure? Dont tell me there are more people engaging in the subject or that there is more money in it. Look at Replicel, they claim that they have the cure soon, but the truth is, they really dont. Its a scam, like every other sneaky company who claims the same.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I have faith in Brotzu and Histogen. Brotzu's formulation should give indefinite maintenance with mild regrowth at little effort, and Histogen should yield some regrowth. Histogen is the first hair loss remedy in forever that has entered phase III trials. It's a real treatment, you'll be getting your own hair back, for approximately ~$10,000; I'm just not sure how much hair. Brotzu should be available in 2017, Histogen in 2018, between those two I might be good indefinitely and never need a hair transplant.

Tsuji is irrelevant as I expect his treatment to be colossally expensive. At least $20,000, possibly much higher.

Setipiprant has not yielded great black market results so far. Testimonials are mixed or negative. I have not seen photos of anybody with substantial regrowth from setipiprant, though it's apparently good for stopping itch. However, we should know the results of the phase II trial by early 2018 I think, which will involve 1 gram a day of seti for 6 months. Note that at Kane's current prices, that means $4,000/year for whatever setipiprant has to offer -- lol. If the phase II trials are positive, then the price of black market seti might drop.

CB0301 is available on the black market and the proof of concept study showed a marginal benefit. Buying it off Kane costs like ~$100/month. If the Phase II study is positive as well, I might buy that.

Samumed's molecule is a secret, and it's probably not helping me until 2021.

 

[buckthorn]

no one. Faith is for fools.

 

[jetlife1]

Agreed @David_MPN the future looks bright for this stuff and on top of present treatments essentially already being cures like finasteride/dutasteride on top of the advancement of hair transplants if you need, I don't think you have to live with noticeable hair loss for much longer.

Even nowadays, you don't have to live with noticeable hair loss if you respond well to the treatments that are already available.

 

[dralex]

I don't.

 

[dralex]

We don't even fully understand how male pattern baldness occurs. How in the hell are we supposed to cure it effectively? I think male pattern baldness is a lot more complex than people assume. I don't think a super effective treatment for hair loss will be developed for at least a decade, if not longer.

 

[That Guy]

Shiseido, Histogen and Organ Tech.

Histogen, for the reasons David stated; Shiseido, because they're in phase II and have a potential means of stopping hairloss; Tsuji, because he easily has the most solid science on his side and his team is the only one growing new follicles with the treatment on track for commercialization.

I don't think Brotzu's lotion will wind up doing anything near the level people are hoping it will and everything else is either a drug or the concept is sketchy at best.

We don't even fully understand how male pattern baldness occurs. How in the hell are we supposed to cure it effectively? I think male pattern baldness is a lot more complex than people assume. I don't think a super effective treatment for hair loss will be developed for at least a decade, if not longer.

We don't fully understand how many diseases we have cured, or developed effective treatments for, work.

 

[GoldenMane]

What Buckthorn said.
Faith in nobody.
Tsuji is most likely to "cure" baldness but the timeline is way out, I'll be middle aged by the time he delivers to the masses.
Replicel seems promising but less so than Tsuji and equally far out.
Histogen seems like it's not going to justify its price due to the short duration of effectiveness and likely high price combined with significant but not earth shattering results.
Brotzu lotion means nothing to be, Ive seen the ingredients but no clinical trial or scientific studies. I think people are excited because it's coming soon, not because there is significant evidence that it will work

 

[Dante92]

Faith in Death.

 

[That Guy]

You know, the most depressing posts on this site aren't the ones about how society forces you to suffer baldness in silence; it's the fact that no one here has faith in scientists, who are the only people humanity really should put faith in.

Replicel seems promising but less so than Tsuji and equally far out.

I can't agree. Shiseido has taken over that product and they will be finished Phase II next year. If all goes as planned, they can release it in 2018 - 2019; when Organ Tech's treatment enters Phase I...

I know this seems insensitive, but I think anyone who is waiting on a baldness cure or treatment to be available to "the masses" (i.e., globally) anytime soon should just accept their baldness if they can't get a transplant or take finasteride. It's obvious by now that these treatments won't be available everywhere for decades, will have a lofty price tag, and simply wanting it isn't going to cut it. If you really want your hair back in the next 10 years, you're going to have to save $ and travel. If that's not something you're willing to do...c'est la vie.

 

[GoldenMane]

You know, the most depressing posts on this site aren't the ones about how society forces you to suffer baldness in silence; it's the fact that no one here has faith in scientists, who are the only people humanity really should put faith in.



I can't agree. Shiseido has taken over that product and they will be finished Phase II next year. If all goes as planned, they can release it in 2018 - 2019; when Organ Tech's treatment enters Phase I...

I know this seems insensitive, but I think anyone who is waiting on a baldness cure or treatment to be available to "the masses" (i.e., globally) anytime soon should just accept their baldness if they can't get a transplant or take finasteride. It's obvious by now that these treatments won't be available everywhere for decades, will have a lofty price tag, and simply wanting it isn't going to cut it. If you really want your hair back in the next 10 years, you're going to have to save $ and travel. If that's not something you're willing to do...c'est la vie.

Rather optimistic on Replicel don't you think?
I agree that it's unlikely most people will be able to avail of Tsujis treatment until 2023-25, and they may need a loan to do so, it won't be cheap.
For now all we have are finasteride, fit, minoxidil and hair transplants, don't hold your breath,ale use of existing treatments to maximise your youth.
Think of Replicel and Tsuji/Kyocera as options to keep you steady into middle/old age. They're going to be too late to restore youth to someone in their mid 20s+

 

[farkhairloss]

In the near future hoping Histogen can be a relacement for finasteride. Not expecting huge regrowth but hopefully thickening would be awesome. Dont want to be on hairloss meds for ever. And if it can last two years in between treatments I would be very happy with that, as long as it works.

Other companies have shown no proof with decent regrowth pictures so not holding my breath for any of them, Brasi potion I have 0% faith in.

 

[That Guy]

Rather optimistic on Replicel don't you think?

I'm not optimistic of RepliCel; I'm optimistic of Shiseido. The latter has begun phase II, the results of which we'll know next year. I'm not sure I see your reasoning for saying it's far off when they're over halfway done.

Aderan's treatment (and sort of Histogen) was similar and while it wasn't a viable method of regrowing hair, it did maintain existing hair. There is good reason to believe this will work much the same.

In my opinion, developing a cell-based solution for completely stopping hairloss is the more pressing issue given that most who take action early enough can go back to NW1 via transplant.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Finasteride costs ~$200/year, so it will remain on the market even if all of these treatments work.

 

[Nadester]

For everyone having faith in Brotzu, why do you faith in it??

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

For everyone having faith in Brotzu, why do you faith in it??

Two of three ingredients are known to have related effects in the body. Equol is known to bind to DHT, and PGE1 is known to increase bloodflow. Nobody knows how minoxidil works but it's been linked to PGE1 before. L-carnitine, I have no idea. There's a lot of details in there that are not usually stated when people are lying, for example that s-equol accounts for ~45% of the effectiveness.

A reputable company paid money for the patent, and is spending money on trials. They are handling things professionally, not making any promises and just waiting for the trial results.

The patent was made by a reputable doctor working on a related issue. He wasn't researching hair loss and has no history as a snake oil salesman. The doctor is clearly interested himself. He's continuing to work on AA, and he presenting at a conference in November.

The aetiology described early is sensible. It takes at least a month to have an effect, it has a better effect on younger people, and it doesn't recover long lost hair.

 

[That Guy]

Finasteride costs ~$200/year, so it will remain on the market even if all of these treatments work.

Where I live, that gets you 3 months worth of generic finasteride...

If a treatment comes out that's a 1 time deal and it gives lasting results, I'd much rather pay for that than $200 per year. Sure, Propecia will still be around, but so is the odd flip phone.

 

[Giiizmo]

I only have faith in Histogen, for now. They're the only ones who have shown credible results and are moving forward with their clinical trials.

I don't care if their treatment only yields modest and temporary gains, I've got money to burn anyway. And I'd rather spend it on something that's not reliant on some hair transplant doctor's artistic skills or on drugs that come with a plethora of side effects for minimal gains - if even. f*** the hair loss industry.

 

[Morning Norwood]

Where I live, that gets you 3 months worth of generic finasteride...

If a treatment comes out that's a 1 time deal and it gives lasting results, I'd much rather pay for that than $200 per year. Sure, Propecia will still be around, but so is the odd flip phone.

I'm finding this is an awesome reason to microdose, it cuts the cost to fractions of what it would be. I hear ya though.

 

[dralex]

Where I live, that gets you 3 months worth of generic finasteride...

If a treatment comes out that's a 1 time deal and it gives lasting results, I'd much rather pay for that than $200 per year. Sure, Propecia will still be around, but so is the odd flip phone.

At Costco costs me $30 for a 3 month supply. Stuff is dirt cheap here. Costs me less than a multivitamin.