Whats going on?

[BobbyLondon]

So i posted here before with longer hair, and I just got a hair cut a few days ago. I feel like my hair looks thin on top now. Is it normal if you have hair loss to have thick hair when long and thin hair when short. Even worse it looks really thin under bright light, but under normal light not so much. Whats going on with my hair, should i be really worried.

 

[Hoppi]

Well, it does make sense doesn't it I mean, there's less hair to cover up the parts that have thinned.

I am a bit scared to see what my hair looks like underneath the length of it, so I'm keeping it long lol

Best idea is just to start treating it I guess

There are many, many different approaches (mine are a little alternative but still pretty logical I think!), many people on here favour the "big 3" (Finasteride, minoxidil, nizoral (ketoconazole shampoo)), but I prefer a holistic, preferably natural approach. Different strokes for different folks I think!

 

[BobbyLondon]

It does make sense, its just when i look in the mirror i don't see that, my hair looks good. This pic was taken under a diff light. I guess when I look at my hair under normal light, like in the mirror of my bathroom or car mirror ect i don't see any scalp at all, but the one pic i posted has me freaked out.

 

[Hoppi]

Well it's coz you're losing hair man, or have lost hair at least ._.

It sucks but, that's why us folk on here choose to try to treat it! hehe

 

[BobbyLondon]

I hear ya, i am just kinda confused. I have no loss at the front, and I went to a hair clinic not long ago and was examined. The Doctor told me i had nothing to worry about, and to just keep an eye on it, but those pics do look bad. I am wondering if it is just the combo of light hair and harsh lighting, or if i am in denial and need to see another hair Doctor and push to get on propeica asap.

 

[hairrific]

Purhaps your "doctor" is not vain and feels a real man can loose allot more hair before doing something if at all!

Several of those photos clearly shows thinning hair in the horseshoe area of the scalp and no where else indicating male pattern baldness.

So you want to keep your hair do you. Just curious and want to see where your head is at and what you know about male pattern baldness in men, so may I ask some questions?

IF you were to read what the hard clinical scientific documents from respected studies in the medical establishment about male pattern baldness and how to stop it in its tracks, what would you do? Another words what would be your regime to keep your hair on your scalp instead of falling out on your pillow or in the drain?

Or maybe you could get lucky by doing some experimental flower hippie herb stuff vitamin tonic and hope that it is working, after all IT IS NATURAL AND PURE!

How much hair are you willing to shed for experimental purposes or till your "doctor" wakes up and says "oh my god you need some.....right away...." ?

 

[Raskolikov]

I have been kinda creeping these forums for a bit, it has been very helpfull to me, and helped me take the jump to propecia. Anyways i have noticed that people at times seem to be too negative. I mean its not good to be in denial, but sometimes you can't really tell from pics.

Anyways to the op, its hard to tell. If you put someones head who has light hair under a bright light and take a pic with a high resolution camera (fyi many cameras are at a higher resolution than the human eye) it will have the effect of making hair look thin. Also i have no idea how old the op is, but as we age the hair on the top of our head is thinner than the hair on the back or sides. This is normal, as you will notice that we never go bald at the back of heads or the sides.

So i think from the pics with long hair your hair looks great, the ones with short hair it looks like there is some thinning, however that could be caused by harsh light and camera. So i am not going to say you have nothing to worry about, but if you went to a doctor that works with hairloss and he said you were fine, i would trust that advice. Ask your barber and friends to give you an honest take, and keep pics under more "normal" light, the pic where you hair looks thin appears as if it was taken directly under a lamp. If as you say you have no frontal loss, you may be ok. Listen to your doctor and keep an eye on it, and if the day comes start on propecia. I would take a guess that millions of dollars are spent by people who have no hair loss on meds. good luck.

 

[Axl_Rose]

+1 to everything raskolnikov said.

 

[Hoppi]

oh yeah it's a horseshoe shape (roughly), I didn't notice that ._.

and lol hairrific, yes of course because NOTHING natural ever works in curing anything does it? xD

 

[hairrific]

I would not say anything natural can't hurt. Natural sea salt or Honey is natural, but don't over do it. The sugar in it overpowers any of the beneficial nutrients in honey and well to much salt is bad.

Grab a vegetarian health nut and test his DHT levels. If it is at finasteride levels then great maybe he is on to something that male pattern baldness people could use. This should be easy to prove.

If finasteride and other DHT inhibitors was pulled of the market I suppose I would jump on 3000 mg of saw palmetto a day, increase my Equol diet, and goodness there is a whole litany of things I could do and would try.

But the point is, if I do a blood test and my DHT level is not at the level finasteride put it at and I am loosing hair then I would be very disappointed in my natural regime.

 

[Hoppi]

Have you ever thought that something might be CAUSING your DHT to go too high, or something might be causing it to do more damage when it gets there?

These are the kinds of things I've been looking into ^_^

For example at the moment my regimen probably just going to be Curcumin, Resveratrol and Sensoril, coupled with some key lifestyle and dietary changes.

I'm trying to outline the underlying causes of my hair loss. Many people do this kind of thing, it's just not such a popular approach on this particular forum

 

[Raskolikov]

No offense, but the vast and I mean vast amount of work by real scientists shows that baldness is genetic. A layman with theories, is just that a layman with theories. My feeling is that most people who argue for natural soultions to hair loss are just dilute themselves into thinking that if they make lifestyle changes they will not go bald. Its like arguing that the global warming does not real because it snowed a lot in Wash. DC this year.

I'll concede that being healthy may slow down the process, but in this respect it appears as if we are a slave to our genetics. Having looked at your profile are you sure you are even balding lol....

 

[hairrific]

Have you ever thought that something might be CAUSING your DHT to go too high, or something might be causing it to do more damage when it gets there?

These are the kinds of things I've been looking into ^_^

For example at the moment my regimen probably just going to be Curcumin, Resveratrol and Sensoril, coupled with some key lifestyle and dietary changes.

I'm trying to outline the underlying causes of my hair loss. Many people do this kind of thing, it's just not such a popular approach on this particular forum

Have you ever thought that something might be CAUSING your DHT to go too high,

Yes. For me it was 2 or so years of protein shakes (muscle milk) and a herb regime that consisted of ginseng, and a host of other NATURAL Testosterone building products.... that actually worked to good by the way when combined with my own naturally high T levels to begin with.

or something might be causing it to do more damage when it gets there?

I don't how to make my hair less sensitive to DHT. This is the most prevalent cause of MPA in men. Why would I ignore that and chase after other theories like diet and stress or global warming or the sun and moon when science has already told us the major cause is DHT. So it is easier that I pushed my DHT levels down instead with finasteride. I halted the loss, and even more, now in my second, year I am growing back some of the lost hair.

These are the kinds of things I've been looking into ^_^

For example at the moment my regimen probably just going to be Curcumin, Resveratrol and Sensoril, coupled with some key lifestyle and dietary changes.

Healthy eating and life style is great I would never argue that point. I like to think I am doing both. I have been doing fresh juiced veg. and raw nuts and on and on, I drink water no coke no sugar I am a health nut for over 20 years. By the way I was on big doses of Curcumin for migraines (stops inflammation or suppose to) for several years when I started loosing my hair so I don't think much of it to stop hair loss. Perhaps if done with combination of things it is better, and topically as well as oral would be better.

I'm trying to outline the underlying causes of my hair loss. Many people do this kind of thing, it's just not such a popular approach on this particular forum

Yes I think there is a smoking gun somewhere, so experimentation is needed. But the poster asked "whats going on" and he needs to stop his loss now, not experiment, cause hair lost to DHT damage does not all grow back!! That is why his scalp is showing at such a young age in the horse shoe area, if the hair grows back it would be no big deal.

 

[Hoppi]

To be honest I think it depends how much was being done wrong to start with lol - I was eating a crap diet, stressing, all kinds of stuff so I had SO much to fix! Now I am fixing it, I'm fairly sure my hairline is creeping forward again! It's early to say but.. I think it is, my friends' agree too, but my hair loss was very minimal to begin with.

But yeah erm, it really depends on if there are any obvious dietary or lifestyle triggers. IMO the less obvious triggers are, the more chance the solution will have to be a bit more direct (Finasteride, Nizoral, Minoxidil etc).

Triggers that I know of include alcohol, bad diet, gluten allergy, excessive sexual activity, possibly excessive smoking, stress, nutrient deficiency, hypothyroidism, stuff like that

I mean, of course people can just jump on finasteride etc, but I dunno I still think it's wise to just have a quick check to see if anything might be CAUSING it first. High DHT or increased inflammation are 2 prime examples