What would spironolactone cream do to beard?
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Balth06 said:
but at least I won't look like a pedophile...the reason I asked was because i'm NW6 (age 25) and I have a thick beard even after I shave...sometimes I really look like a serial killer :innocent:
btw, I read somewhere that the 5% cream formulation doesn't smell???
Bryan said:Sure, but I tend to doubt that it would be very noticeable.
You wanna give it a try?
but aren't the beard follicles stimulated by dht as well? did you read somewhere that it doesn't happen?
I don't mind giving it a try, i'm gonna be rubbing that crap on my head anyways, mind as well go a little south during the application.
Sean68 said:
why isn't that supposed to be good for skin? i've remember seeing a spironolactone cream that was being sold for acne treatment? is the spironolactone thats not good or dr.lee's formulation?
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goata007 said:Bryan said:Sure, but I tend to doubt that it would be very noticeable.
You wanna give it a try?
but aren't the beard follicles stimulated by dht as well? did you read somewhere that it doesn't happen?
OF COURSE beard follicles are stimulated by DHT. I'm just saying that the effect from spironolactone probably wouldn't be terribly noticeable. More powerful and effective antiandrogens like RU58841 would probably do better than spironolactone at reducing beard growth.
michael barry
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a peppermint oil/water mixture very very noticeably thinned out the beard hair on one side of my chin before the third month. It makes you look younger------no five o'clock shadow.
michael barry said:
interesting....Is it more effective because its a very strong anti-androgen? if yes, would it also work on my scalp better than spironolactone cream?
thats what I want - to look somewhat younger! can you post more details about this mixture? is it 50/50 of both? where can I get the peppermint oil from?
Also, are the results temporary or permanent? I don't wanna get rid of my beard just wanna tame down the growth somewhat.
Bryan said:
just need a little clarification, I thought this was how anti-androgens ranked comapred to each other
finas < dutas < RU#### < spironolactone?
are any of them known to cause permanent changes to hair if used topically? i.e. permanently or really slow down the hair growth/diameter/make it finer
michael barry
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My reviviogen wrist, the right one, still after two years has not caught back up with the hair on my left wrist. The difference is still notiecable. Revivogen has menthol in it.
Im wondering if Bryan might have been right and methol, despite being an anti-androgen, might be detrimental to all hair growth or keratinocyte cells. You see in Alpecins experiments at the University of Jena in Germany, caffeine alone sped up keratinocytes and hair growth, but Alpecin with menthol, although it got more hairs in the growth phase at four months (up about 8% if I remember correctly, slowed down keratinocyte activity. The peppermint oil/purified water was mixed at about a one to forty-or fifty ratio. A one ounce bottle of peppermint oil in 33 ounces of purified water was too strong and burned. I had to add more water. The "burn" doesnt come immediately. It comes about 30 seconds to a minute afterwards.
Im now testing topical beta sitosterol to see if it can slow my beard growth. Ive tested pine oil before on the hair on the back of my hand, and it reduced hair growth there, but not as markedly as Revivogen did. Pine oil is 18% beta sitosterol, which is easily the highest concentration of that substance found in nature. Scottish mummies found in a peat bog all had cedarwood oil (pine) in their hair a few years back. The article suggested it was for a styling gel, but it simply would be absolutely no good at all for that (I know, Ive tried it). Since pine oil/cedarwood oil is the number one old essential oil (alolng with lavender, rosemary, and thyme to form the four classic essential oils), I imagine the ancients knew it was beneficial for hair growth. Beard hair is androgen stimulated, and I want to see if beta sis can slow it down. I do know that lavender STIMULATED hair on my toe, and I also know that lavender has estrogen binding affinity. There is perillyl alcohol in lavender also http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drug ... ender.html as well.
If you google "licorice and hair removal" and " peppermint oil or menthol and hair removal" you'll get quite a few hair removal creams and potions that contain those things. Arnica and rose hips were shown to have receptor binding inhibition in human skin by Japanese scientists and clove was shown to have alpha five reductase inhibition in human skin by them also. SO there are natural topical anti-anrdogens out there, but are they also detrimental to hair growth by means of downregulating VEGF expression or angiogenesis too strongly or can they slow cell division of certain components of the hair follicle? The only way we would ever know if for real testing to be perfomed.
The only naturals testing on hair I know of that is acceptable is a scottish study of the four classic essential oils (cedarwood, lavendar, thyme, rosemary) in which 44% of respondents did in fact have better head hair growth afterwards. But alot of them were women, so who knows. Male and female hairloss aren't exactly the same thing.
Im wondering if Bryan might have been right and methol, despite being an anti-androgen, might be detrimental to all hair growth or keratinocyte cells. You see in Alpecins experiments at the University of Jena in Germany, caffeine alone sped up keratinocytes and hair growth, but Alpecin with menthol, although it got more hairs in the growth phase at four months (up about 8% if I remember correctly, slowed down keratinocyte activity. The peppermint oil/purified water was mixed at about a one to forty-or fifty ratio. A one ounce bottle of peppermint oil in 33 ounces of purified water was too strong and burned. I had to add more water. The "burn" doesnt come immediately. It comes about 30 seconds to a minute afterwards.
Im now testing topical beta sitosterol to see if it can slow my beard growth. Ive tested pine oil before on the hair on the back of my hand, and it reduced hair growth there, but not as markedly as Revivogen did. Pine oil is 18% beta sitosterol, which is easily the highest concentration of that substance found in nature. Scottish mummies found in a peat bog all had cedarwood oil (pine) in their hair a few years back. The article suggested it was for a styling gel, but it simply would be absolutely no good at all for that (I know, Ive tried it). Since pine oil/cedarwood oil is the number one old essential oil (alolng with lavender, rosemary, and thyme to form the four classic essential oils), I imagine the ancients knew it was beneficial for hair growth. Beard hair is androgen stimulated, and I want to see if beta sis can slow it down. I do know that lavender STIMULATED hair on my toe, and I also know that lavender has estrogen binding affinity. There is perillyl alcohol in lavender also http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drug ... ender.html as well.
If you google "licorice and hair removal" and " peppermint oil or menthol and hair removal" you'll get quite a few hair removal creams and potions that contain those things. Arnica and rose hips were shown to have receptor binding inhibition in human skin by Japanese scientists and clove was shown to have alpha five reductase inhibition in human skin by them also. SO there are natural topical anti-anrdogens out there, but are they also detrimental to hair growth by means of downregulating VEGF expression or angiogenesis too strongly or can they slow cell division of certain components of the hair follicle? The only way we would ever know if for real testing to be perfomed.
The only naturals testing on hair I know of that is acceptable is a scottish study of the four classic essential oils (cedarwood, lavendar, thyme, rosemary) in which 44% of respondents did in fact have better head hair growth afterwards. But alot of them were women, so who knows. Male and female hairloss aren't exactly the same thing.
michael barry
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http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 349?ck=nck
There is the ARCHIVES OF DERMATOLOGY published study on the essentail oils and alopecia areata. You can add a few drops of these to your shampoo and leave the suds in for a few minutes.............(hint for those of you who might have alopecia areata)..............
Look at this regrowth photo from it, http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 3F5?ck=nck
There is the ARCHIVES OF DERMATOLOGY published study on the essentail oils and alopecia areata. You can add a few drops of these to your shampoo and leave the suds in for a few minutes.............(hint for those of you who might have alopecia areata)..............
Look at this regrowth photo from it, http://archderm.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... 3F5?ck=nck
Um I just want to say removing dht might not reduce your beard hair. finasteride was found in most cases to not reduce body hair if I remember right. Removing dht after you have a thick beard, and removing dht before you ever got the thick beard are 2 different things. The timing of when you remove dht is important. Not to mention I dont think hair is as simple as simply dht but so far thats all we know I guess.
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I am trying that peppermint/water on my beard. I hope it will work as well for my as for michael barry. It must be cool to shave and not having that dark shadow showing off. Do you still use it??? or did you just test it? Also were you just splashing your face with it or rubbing it in?